[papersleeves]

Looks pretty yummy to me. Love that prototype!

[shagg_187]

True. Durante>Durango>Django>Orbis

Not quite.

WiiU > Durante > Durango > Django > Orbis.

I am just surprised at how much closer to the wii u this is than what I was expecting.

[onQ123]

What is a move engine?

I don't know but I think you use this to steer it.

[Can Crusher]

This. It should be a good degree cheaper. DDR3 is peanuts, whilst GDDR5 is expensive. Having said that, if Microsoft bundle in Kinect 2.0 or anything like that, things could get pricey again for the consumer.

Once again jumping into conclusions. And isn't Sony gonna sell us a touchpad controller? Those are the rumors. I don't expect that to be peanuts.

[bobbytkc]

The whole 1080p 4xMSAA is so horribly misaligned it's beyond ridiculous (as far as I can tell). The requirements to do MSAA in deferred renderer games is significantly more taxing.

I don't really think we will see many deferred rendering engines on the Durango.

[CrunchinJelly]

I wonder if Leadbetter will have a Durango article in the next day or two? ;)

[nib95]

ESRAM is expensive, the total cost for both Orbis and Durango will be around the same.

This is the bit I'm confused about. Why is Esram so expensive then if bandwidth wise it's still potentially less than what GDDR5 can muster (up to 192 GB/s or more? Depending on bus?).

And in terms of manufacturing cost, what amount of GDDR5 would be equivalent to only 32mb of Esram?

Once again jumping into conclusions. And isn't Sony gonna sell us a touchpad controller? Those are the rumors. I don't expect that to be peanuts.

God I hope not. Touch screens and pads, motion controls and all that crap. Not for me. I just want a core gaming machine. Though I appreciate others have differing opinions.

[Kimawolf]

so I guess the question becomes, will developers up port to the PS4 or downport their games to the next Xbox since some of you believe it will be such a huge difference in overall power.

[gofreak]

Sounds as previously rumoured/expected.

Although colour me 'huh' about the 'magic' 3 blocks. They look pretty ordinary from here, the 'data move' one aside, which I guess is where the whole blitter rumour came from.

[Oemenia]

The GPU sounds really good given that it now has ESRAM on it hopefully the CPU is better than the PC version.

Also no mention of the 3gb OS footprint, which is also great!

[jaypah]

so in short now Durante > Orbis?

Durante is making his own console? New thread for new news!

also no, I don't think we can call it right now, even with the new article. Still too much that we don't know or just doesn't seem to make sense.

[pestul]

I don't really think we will see many deferred rendering engines on the Durango.

I don't think they will use MSAA at all nextgen. MLAA / FXAA etc.

[claviertekky]

I don't believe it.

No mention of the legacy PPC cores. How can you translate that to x64 without a decrease in performance through an emulator?

Plus I thought northbridge would be eliminated by now.

[jchap]

If MS goes the more conservative route it would be smart. The games will still look great and third party content will be held back to their system specs screwing the more expensive Sony machine. They will be cheaper, have mass market appeal with Kinect, and the average consumer won't be able to tell the difference between it and PS4.

[xenist]

This is actually pretty good and logical. What were people expecting? The era of bespoke crazy voodoo magic chips in consoles is loooong gone. Slightly modified mid-range hardware is where it's at now.

[gaming_noob]

So is this 170GB bandwidth believable?

[gofreak]

So is this 170GB bandwidth believable?

It's silly to add them together. It's like adding clockspeeds together on parallel chips.

I also would have to assume it refers to bandwidth between the GPU and eSRAM module, not the bandwidth within the eRAM module. Otherwise it would be a rather big downgrade from 360 on that end.

[alexandros]

Although colour me 'huh' about the 'magic' 3 blocks. They look pretty ordinary from here, the 'data move' one aside, which I guess is where the whole blitter rumour came from.

Many people tried to explain that there is no such thing as "magic" chips that double or triple performance. Alas, people want to believe.

[charsace]

I know its not PC, if anything the number is more meaningless on PC because of overhead. As a theoretical peak it is quite disappointing. Both companies are seemingly focusing on GP and parallel computing, the difference here is that it looks like MS is sacrificing power for Kinect and OS functionality. Sony with a rumored 1.8 TFLOP GPU plus a Compute unit could easily be twice this, with better overall bandwidth going by rumors. Alot more efficient.

Every rumor has MS focusing on efficiency and Sony matching them through raw power. I doubt Sony's system is more efficient. The number means less here because we don't know how the system is engineered like you do with a pc.

[pixlexic]

so I guess the question becomes, will developers up port to the PS4 or downport their games to the next Xbox since some of you believe it will be such a huge difference in overall power.

Well that depends on a lot of things I think.

Will pc gaming continue to rise or fall in the wake of the new consoles?

Will both have similar hardware?

Which one gains the most user base the fastest?

[Meisadragon]

It will probably be X8 throttled down to X6. I general, X720 looks very much like X360. Shame they've used only 1.2TF part. On paper, I still think that PS4 looks better. Anyhow, now we know. Multiplatform games will be easily ported between these systems, 1st party devs from both tribes will create great games, and nextgen will trully bring big jump over 7th gen.

Yeah, both should be pretty similar in the end.

[shagg_187]

Waiting to see what CVG and Karak reveal.

[big_erk]

This is actually pretty good and logical. What were people expecting?

Something like this

[Gemüsepizza]

If MS goes the more conservative route it would be smart. The games will still look great and third party content will be held back to their system specs screwing the more expensive Sony machine. They will be cheaper, have mass market appeal with Kinect, and the average consumer won't be able to tell the difference between it and PS4.

I think many people would be quite happy about 60 fps third party titles on the PS4.

[thehypocrite]

If MS goes the more conservative route it would be smart. The games will still look great and third party content will be held back to their system specs screwing the more expensive Sony machine. They will be cheaper, have mass market appeal with Kinect, and the average consumer won't be able to tell the difference between it and PS4.

All the keywords there. Oh the humanity.

[dynamitejim]

I want to know what the GPU is based on. PS4's GPU looks like it's based on the Pitcairn chips (78xx) while the Durango's looks very close to Capa Verde (77xx). That would imply a significant difference in number of ROPs, texture units, and would mean one less geometry engine/rasterizer.

[shinra-bansho]

Which one of the floating purple blocks of silicon is supposed to be the magic one?

[derFeef]

8core x64 cpu is a bit... nonsense?

[Hrothgar]

So this is basicly reaffirming/rehearsing what we already "knew".

[Hindle]

So is going to be a massive jump from the 360? Or more like the Wii was to the GameCube?

[Can Crusher]

God I hope not. Touch screens and pads, motion controls and all that crap. Not for me. I just want a core gaming machine. Though I appreciate others have differing opinions.

Right?! For me it's pretty simple, if it's not VR then it's a shitty gimmick.

[quest]

is PS4 rumoured to be 18CUs?

Yes plus a seperate compute unit to help with heavy FPU loads. Just don't see how the next xbox if these 2 set of specs are true can keep up.

[shagg_187]

Something like this

Lol. I understand this more than I understand some of the specs here.

[Derrick01]

I think many people would be quite happy about 60 fps third party titles on the PS4.

Everyone would. Too bad that's not what would happen lol.

[DieH@rd]

8core x64 cpu is a bit... nonsense?

You can buy one now, and high powered one.

[f@luS]

im not so much tech guys....but looking at the next god of war, last of us and few other game, next gen will be crazy with even mid/high (not extreme ) hardware

[nib95]

Right?! For me it's pretty simple, if it's not VR then it's a shitty gimmick.

This.

[shagg_187]

So is going to be a massive jump from the 360? Or more like the Wii was to the GameCube?

More like Wii to Wii U without being 3 years too late.

[Kenka]

The architecture used seems to indicate that downporting to WiiU will be eased ?
I can't tell, I am no techie.

[Gemüsepizza]

Every rumor has MS focusing on efficiency and Sony matching them through raw power. I doubt Sony's system is more efficient. The number means less here because we don't know how the system is engineered like you do with a pc.

This whole drivel about efficency and raw power is just nonsense. What does that even mean? Of course devs will fully utilize Sonys hardware.

[derFeef]

You can buy one now, and high powered one.

I know, that's what I mean. 8 discreet cores, and not the rumored Jaguar?

[gofreak]

I want to know what the GPU is based on. PS4's GPU looks like it's based on the Pitcairn chips (78xx) while the Durango's looks very close to Capa Verde (77xx). That would imply a significant difference in number of ROPs, texture units, and would mean one less geometry engine/rasterizer.

It'll be either GCN or GCN2, not Cape Verde I'm sure.

[BruceLeeRoy]

Wow looks pretty identical to rumors. Hdmi in is really making it clear how Microsoft wants to position this console.

Did Karak ever post anything?

[Death Dealer]

This looks pretty similar to the earlier leaks, right?

Yes. It's amazing how close all these latest leaks match up to the rumors from a long time ago. Like the one that said PS4 was 1.8TF and X720 was 1-1.5TF. 18cu vs 12 cu etc. I guess they were correct after all.


But are the specs incomplete ? What about special sauce ?

[lefantome]

[fluffydelusions]

I haven't been following the orbis leaks...how do they compare?

[Audioboxer]

If MS goes the more conservative route it would be smart. The games will still look great and third party content will be held back to their system specs screwing the more expensive Sony machine. They will be cheaper, have mass market appeal with Kinect, and the average consumer won't be able to tell the difference between it and PS4.

If the hardware overall is similar to each other (like two PC's one slower, one faster, but both with AMD CPU/GPU), then wouldn't scaling (up and down) be quite "easy" ?

And by scaling up I mean adding extra effects/textures/resolution/AA or whatever can be done. Just like how a PC game works across differing hardware.

Hardware last gen was pretty different hence porting/development parity issues.

[JaggedSac]

It's silly to add them together. It's like adding clockspeeds together on parallel chips. I also would have to assume it refers to bandwidth between the GPU and eSRAM module, not the bandwidth within the eRAM module. Otherwise it would be a rather big downgrade from 360 on that end.

Can the 360 access both edram and main ram in parallel?

[iamshadowlark]

No he wasn't probably talking about that at all. Why would he be talking about Nvidia? Here and before you question it.

That is quite interesting. But what he seems to be talking about is from a port perspective, basically, you are running the same code on two different systems. Code that would have the same sort of requirements, shadows in his example. Its true but its not what im talking about...

[pestul]

im not so much tech guys....but looking at the next god of war, last of us and few other game, next gen will be crazy with even mid/high (not extreme ) hardware

Exactly. Look at the late life output of these current generation consoles. Nextgen games are going to be balls to the wall crazy.. They didn't even need to max these out with highend PC specs.