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entrement · (01-23-2013, 02:03 PM)

Originally Posted by King_Moc:

You realise that all Wii Virtual Console titles carried over for free already, don't you? This is just for Wii U specific updates.

Yep. I mean with the system specific upgrades.

Lyphen · (01-23-2013, 02:03 PM)

Originally Posted by dallow_bg:

Wel I know about that but it doesn't make sense because that was a physical to digital program.

I guess it's the same, in a way.

The Wii was a big disconnected storage system, just like a UMD. You'll have to pay a small fee to convert to an account network (well, Nintendo is still a little behind on that front).

CaptainTiptop · (01-23-2013, 02:03 PM)

Originally Posted by alr1ght:

You know, you could treat your loyal customers nicely and not nickel and dime them...

Nintendo know their loyal customers will pay no matter what.

Flame Lord · (01-23-2013, 02:04 PM)

Originally Posted by Gambit:

Because the others have such an excellent record with backwards compatibility.

We'll see how PSN for PS4 handles old downloads.

Would I prefer it for free? Hell yea!

Did I expect it? Nope. Not even a discount.

What? I have my old PSP and PS0 games on my vita... For free.

Qurupeke · (01-23-2013, 02:04 PM)

Meh, I only wanted Super Metroid and Kirby's adventure from these games, and I have them...

Ushojax · (01-23-2013, 02:04 PM)

I don't really see a problem with how they've done Wii to Wii U upgrades. There was always going to be a cost to get the Wii U version and I think $1.50 is acceptable. As long as they don't go above $2 for N64 and more recent titles I think that's fine.

Xiul · (01-23-2013, 02:04 PM)

I am still waiting for an account system Nintendo!

Also, I am not re buying anything, smh at this.

Man God · (01-23-2013, 02:05 PM)

Originally Posted by Flame Lord:

What? I have my old PSP and PS0 games on my vita... For free.

you can get all the Wii VC and Wiiware titles from your original Wii right now...for free!

Adam Blue · (01-23-2013, 02:05 PM)

The fact that the current Wii Virtual Console library is not available on the Wii U is just a slap in the face of customers. But I get it, Nintendo has been behind. I just don't see myself removing my Wii from my ent. center soon.

Plexirvones · (01-23-2013, 02:05 PM)

Japan

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Galang · (01-23-2013, 02:05 PM)

So essentially you can transfer over your games, but to get new features like off tv-play you have to pay a fee? The price isn't as bad as I expected from them and it's not like you have to upgrade. If you have a lot of VC games I can see the complaints, but I only have about 20 VC games.. and I'll only want off tv play for a few of them. I'll probably upgrade as many as available for that price anyway.

Palette Swap · (01-23-2013, 02:05 PM)

Making you rebuy digital contents. Now, that's innovation! I can't wait for MS and Sony to do the same.

Glass Joe · (01-23-2013, 02:06 PM)

Originally Posted by leadbelly:

Okay. So you do at least have the option to play your original DL games?

All Wii VC stuff already works in Wii U through compatibility mode, so yes.

This is kind of like when a music CD is re-released with bonus tracks. Except today you can just pop on iTunes and pick up the extra stuff instead of rebuying the whole CD. Again, I consider it acceptable, since everything still works in Wii mode.

But Balloon Trip for 30 cents, 30 days, whatever. Does that work like a trial where you have to buy it after the 30 days, or is it like an ambassador program where Nintendo's basically giving steep discounts for early adopters for specific titles?

IrishNinja · (01-23-2013, 02:06 PM)

yeah, seeing FE & Mother 2 stings

hongcha · (01-23-2013, 02:06 PM)

Originally Posted by Man God:

you can get all the Wii VC and Wiiware titles from your original Wii right now...for free!

Can't play them on the gamepad for free. Can't play them on the 3ds for free.

dallow_bg · (01-23-2013, 02:06 PM)

Originally Posted by Man God:

you can get all the Wii VC and Wiiware titles from your original Wii right now...for free!

The big difference of course being that you did not have to pay an upgrade fee for the additional Vita emulator features of those same games.

Alcoholikaust · (01-23-2013, 02:06 PM)

so japan gets fucking super metroid!?

**edit and EARTHBOUND?!?!

collapses

Drago · (01-23-2013, 02:06 PM)

I want Earthbound

ugggghhhhhhhhhh

backlot · (01-23-2013, 02:07 PM)

Originally Posted by IrishNinja:

yeah, seeing FE & Mother 2 stings

At least we're getting Balloon Fight... :(

CaptainTiptop · (01-23-2013, 02:07 PM)

Originally Posted by Man God:

you can get all the Wii VC and Wiiware titles from your original Wii right now...for free!

Didn't have to pay again for special Vita added features.

R-User! · (01-23-2013, 02:07 PM)

Originally Posted by GRW810:

No you don't HAVE to do anything.

But if you want to add some awesome new features to your games it will cost you mere pennies.

It's a choice, and a very fair one.

Wouldnt "mere pennies" imply that it would cost no more than 4 cents to upgrade?

Since when has one dollar and fifty cents become mere pennies?

partyphone · (01-23-2013, 02:08 PM)

this is a glimpse of the future. who thinks their XBLA or PSN games will transfer over for free?

mackattk · (01-23-2013, 02:08 PM)

Originally Posted by Galang:

So essentially you can transfer over your games, but to get new features like off tv-play you have to pay a fee? The price isn't as bad as I expected from them and it's not like you have to upgrade. If you have a lot of VC games I can see the complaints, but I only have about 20 VC games.. and I'll only want off tv play for a few of them. I'll probably upgrade as many as available for that price anyway.

You can transfer your games over, but need to go into a different mode to actually play them. Its petty of Nintendo to charge the customers who have supported them in the past to use these new features.

Originally Posted by partyphone:

this is a glimpse of the future. who thinks their XBLA or PSN games will transfer over for free?

Judging by Sony's past.. I fully expect the PSN games will transfer over for free. I would expect Microsoft's too.

Jacobbles · (01-23-2013, 02:08 PM)

Originally Posted by Anth0ny:

Japan gets Mother 2, no one else does.

The VC library won't be there all at once, it'll trickle out over time. Again.

I don't even care about having to pay for stuff again (I only own a couple of Wii VC games) but this shit is the worst.

Rash · (01-23-2013, 02:08 PM)

I feel like the discount system is entirely fair. If you want the update, you pay a tiny bit. It's completely optional if you already have the game.

I'm not going to excuse Nintendo with everything, but the company could have easily made everyone pay full price again. They didn't. Just be happy that you will have the option to get a Gamepad+Miiverse capable version of Virtual Console games at a discount for those you already own.

Some people are going to want it to be free, but whatever. Nintendo is a business and it's not as easy as just taking a ROM from the Shop Channel, making it stream to the Gamepad, and selling it.

EDIT: Wait, Japan gets Mother 2? FUCK YOU NINTENDO!

Mileena · (01-23-2013, 02:08 PM)

Originally Posted by Man God:

you can get all the Wii VC and Wiiware titles from your original Wii right now...for free!

But my wiimote batteries died

mugurumakensei · (01-23-2013, 02:09 PM)

Originally Posted by Raist:

That would be comparable to NES/SNES/N64 > WII VC, it's a complete change of medium.

Now it's a ROM dump on a console with essentially has the same architecture.

I don't understand the "oh they have to add the transfer to make it work for the pad" argument. Do they really have to code that stuff? I mean it's just a recipient of a stream from the console, so this must be entirely possible to do it hardware wise and not on a per-title basis.

Yes, they do since the emulator has to make specific output calls. Each emulator for each game is different.

Jarsonot · (01-23-2013, 02:09 PM)

Originally Posted by partyphone:

this is a glimpse of the future. who thinks their XBLA or PSN games will transfer over for free?

Well, I do.

StAidan · (01-23-2013, 02:10 PM)

Originally Posted by CaptainTiptop:

Nintendo know their loyal customers will pay no matter what.

Not a chance. I'm a die-hard Nintendo player, and with this news I'm never buying a VC game again.

Tuck · (01-23-2013, 02:10 PM)

VC on the gamepad? Fantastic. Link to the Past and Super Metroid will finally get played.

mugurumakensei · (01-23-2013, 02:10 PM)

Originally Posted by partyphone:

this is a glimpse of the future. who thinks their XBLA or PSN games will transfer over for free?

They will, but the equivalent of this would be making all XBLA titles work with kinect which wouldnt be free.

Jucksalbe · (01-23-2013, 02:10 PM)

Balloon Fight is up on EU eShop. Let's see how it looks on the GamePad.

PhoenixSFT · (01-23-2013, 02:10 PM)

Can someone explain the $.30 pricing to me? If we buy those select games at 30 cents when they're available, do we get to keep them, or do we have to buy them at full price once the 30 day limit is over?

Glass Joe · (01-23-2013, 02:11 PM)

Originally Posted by partyphone:

this is a glimpse of the future. who thinks their XBLA or PSN games will transfer over for free?

Wii Ware and Wii VC transferred over to U for free, ya know.

bndadm · (01-23-2013, 02:11 PM)

Originally Posted by DeuceGamer:

This is going to be an interesting thread. Curious to see how many are upset they have to pay a small fee to get the updated version. Personally, I don't have a problem with it. I don't see how it's different then releasing HD games and charging for them. Just because you owned the original doesn't mean you get the new game with updated features for free. With this you can either play your original VC game in Wii Mode, or you can pay a small(seriously small, IMO) fee for the updated features to use the GamePad, and access it in Wii U mode, Miiverse Integration, etc.....

I agree - I was upset at first until people started pointing out my original Virtual Console games are still free if I transfer over to a Wii U (once I get one). I see no issue.

metalslimer · (01-23-2013, 02:11 PM)

Yeah no chance in hell I'm buying a Nintendo title digitally again with the mess they're creating.

dallow_bg · (01-23-2013, 02:11 PM)

Originally Posted by PhoenixSFT:

Can someone explain the $.30 pricing to me? If we buy those select games at 30 cents when they're available, do we get to keep them, or do we have to buy them at full price once the 30 day limit is over?

It's a 30 day trial.

PhoenixSFT · (01-23-2013, 02:12 PM)

Originally Posted by dallow_bg:

It's a 30 day trial.

Well, screw that then.

Flame Lord · (01-23-2013, 02:12 PM)

Originally Posted by Rash:

I'm not going to excuse Nintendo with everything, but the company could have easily made everyone pay full price again. They didn't. Just be happy that you will have the option to get a Gamepad+Miiverse capable version of Virtual Console games at a discount for those you already own.

"Look at it this way; they didn't completely fuck us! So it's not that bad."

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Some people are going to want it to be free, but whatever. Nintendo is a business and it's not as easy as just taking a ROM from the Shop Channel, making it stream to the Gamepad, and selling it.

How's it not that easy? Doesn't the WiiU stream the games? What would they have to change in the program?

Aostia · (01-23-2013, 02:12 PM)

No N64 or GC game, no party.
good for the gamepad support tough.

Uncle Rupee · (01-23-2013, 02:12 PM)

This is really pushing it - if they're only charging a buck, why charge me at all? Greedy bastards

IrishNinja · (01-23-2013, 02:12 PM)

Originally Posted by backlot:

At least we're getting Balloon Fight... :(

for 30 cents, i'll bite! not up on US store yet though.

hey anyone got the full US list again?

@MUWANdo · (01-23-2013, 02:12 PM)

I'm not even annoyed by the fee, but the fact that I won't be able to transfer most of my purchases until the equivalent U version is available is a real drag. God knows if some of 'em will even be made available again.

jjasper · (01-23-2013, 02:12 PM)

I will pay the price to update it just means I will be selective in which games I transfer over. Kind of disappointed it is just NES/SNES/GBA at this point though.

mackattk · (01-23-2013, 02:13 PM)

Originally Posted by StAidan:

Not a chance. I'm a die-hard Nintendo player, and with this news I'm never buying a VC game again.

I would happily buy VC games if that meant I could freely play them on my 3DS and Wii U without having to pay for the two - three times each game. I am VERY hesitant on investing in Nintendo DD for the Wii U, because I am not sure if the next system will be able to play those games or not.

In contrast, I have bought hundreds of dollars worth of Sony DD because I know I can pay for them once, and be able to play them on any console that supports the game.

leadbelly · (01-23-2013, 02:13 PM)

Originally Posted by dallow_bg:

The big difference of course being that you did not have to pay an upgrade fee for the additional Vita emulator features of those same games.

Oh. Now that changes things a little.

Jarsonot · (01-23-2013, 02:13 PM)

Originally Posted by dallow_bg:

It's a 30 day trial.

That's not the impression I got, it's a trial price - $0.30 for 30 days, then back to full price.

Crazymoogle · (01-23-2013, 02:13 PM)

Originally Posted by JoshuaJSlone:

None of those things make them any less ROMs than the Wii versions. Taking screenshots or outputting to a different screen are no big thing, nor setting up a Miiverse community based on the Wii U executable.

"No big thing" seems easy enough to say as a user, but it's not really that way as a developer. There's just too much time spent crafting a custom emulation profile, testing, etc. What seems like a "ship it tomorrow" is unfortunately a multi-month process. The Wii versions required time as well, you're right on that - but given they only supported the manual and save state features this is going to require a bit more development time.

That being said, I completely agree that the charge is hard to swallow - if anything this is really just a "rights transfer" fee or somesuch - but it is definitely not the same thing as Sony's PS1-PSN Classics program.

Zia · (01-23-2013, 02:14 PM)

Originally Posted by megaStryke:

No, it's this:

Oh fuck.

Jucksalbe · (01-23-2013, 02:15 PM)

Originally Posted by dallow_bg:

It's a 30 day trial.

No it's not. The discount is available for 30 days, but you get to keep the game.