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omonimo
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(01-23-2013, 06:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by BobTheFork

So 8 gigs of ram, not 4, They don't say what kind it is, or would it not matter as the final console would be different?

Dev kit, not console specs.
GavinGT
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(01-23-2013, 06:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by Waaghals

I did. it is still a strange amount of Vram. Not impossible or anything, but memory often comes in 1024mb multipliers. 256, 512, 1024, 2048 etc.

It's as if they read off the value from some shoddy system analysis website (say, systemrequirementslab.com) and it lumped VRAM and some amount of the system RAM together to get that 2.2 GB number. That site tells me I have 4.0 GB of VRAM, which is obviously not the amount of VRAM in my GTX 560 Ti.

I would think any amount of RAM that's not equal to 2^n (n an integer) would be needlessly complicated and would slow down response time if not properly designed around. After all, simplicity favors regularity. And simplicity is a core goal in designing a computer.
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(01-23-2013, 06:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by BobTheFork

So 8 gigs of ram, not 4, They don't say what kind it is, or would it not matter as the final console would be different?

Its a PC devkit. I has to have more ram than in final console.
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(01-23-2013, 06:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by shagg_187

Yeah, I don't know how it will work. It's one of the reasons why I have trouble holding a Vita i.e. to not touch the backpad. Let's see how this works.

It won't be a back "tap" anymore, you have to press it in to register as a button click. So that's how the rear touch pad will likely work.
jbug617
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(01-23-2013, 06:40 PM)
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Not a fan on vita rear touchpad
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(01-23-2013, 06:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by BobTheFork

So 8 gigs of ram, not 4, They don't say what kind it is, or would it not matter as the final console would be different?

These are dev kit numbers only. It neither confirms nor denies other rumours about memory...but asides from 2.2GB of VRAM being a weird number, it might be plausibly in line with a system trying to emulate the 4GB of GDDR5 rumoured elsewhere for the final system.
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(01-23-2013, 06:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by BobTheFork

So 8 gigs of ram, not 4, They don't say what kind it is, or would it not matter as the final console would be different?

You have been already confused. Those are the rumoured old specs of the dev kit. It is being perhaps used to simulate 3.5GB (out of 4) GDDR5 RAM plus the overhead that is allotted to make the lives of programmers/debuggers easier.
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(01-23-2013, 06:41 PM)
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Please keep dual shock as-is.
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(01-23-2013, 06:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by AuthenticM

I somehow expect the VGleaks article to present wildly different specs.

I think VGLeaks collabs with SuperDAE also, so we may see the same stuff, but maybe more detail. Or target specs if VGLeaks was able to find them :P
dosh
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(01-23-2013, 06:42 PM)
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If true, I love the multi-user accounts system. LBP already does this, and it's great.
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(01-23-2013, 06:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by BobTheFork

So 8 gigs of ram, not 4, They don't say what kind it is, or would it not matter as the final console would be different?

Ignore the dev kit specs, it's pointless.
Gemüsepizza
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(01-23-2013, 06:44 PM)
Touchpad >>>>>> Touchscreen.

I don't get the hate. I am sure it's optional and probably also for OS features (web browser). But, most importantly, it is very cheap.
Baconsammy
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(01-23-2013, 06:45 PM)

Originally Posted by Officerrob

The rear touchpad is easily the most worthless feature of the Vita, I hope this isn't true

The worst part of it is when devs think they need to use it and in doing so force you to hold the Vita a very specific way.
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(01-23-2013, 06:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by Baconsammy

Just a big "NO" to that controller rumor please. Dump the DS but dont replace it with that. Go with the split Move controller idea.

You mean this abomination?

Originally Posted by Eric C


LOLL!!!!
BobTheFork
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(01-23-2013, 06:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by DieH@rd

Its a PC devkit. I has to have more ram than in final console.

Ok, that's what I thought. Another question... why and how does that work? wouldn't you want it to run the same on the devkit as the console? Do you develop and put it on the console and see how it runs? Ignorant question but I honestly don't know.
Gemüsepizza
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(01-23-2013, 06:46 PM)

Originally Posted by i-Lo

You have been already confused. Those are the rumoured old specs of the dev kit. It is being perhaps used to simulate 3.5GB (out of 4) GDDR5 RAM plus the overhead that is allotted to make the lives of programmers/debuggers easier.

Or it could be an old dev kit from when Sony aimed for 2 GB GDDR5 RAM.
lefantome
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(01-23-2013, 06:47 PM)
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c'mon vgleaks give us something!

Also they clam to have access to a 90 pages tech doc and this is all we got?
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(01-23-2013, 06:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by chubigans

It won't be a back "tap" anymore, you have to press it in to register as a button click. So that's how the rear touch pad will likely work.

Yep, in most games anyway, but if you want combinations of glide, click+glide they should be available.
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(01-23-2013, 06:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by BobTheFork

Ok, that's what I thought. Another question... why and how does that work? wouldn't you want it to run the same on the devkit as the console? Do you develop and put it on the console and see how it runs? Ignorant question but I honestly don't know.

Games run separately, or at the very least there's ways to make them run separately.
Gemüsepizza
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(01-23-2013, 06:49 PM)

Originally Posted by lefantome

c'mon vgleaks give us something!

Also they clam to have access to a 90 pages tech doc and this is all we got?

I guess some of these docs are customized for each dev to make it possible to identify them if something leaks, eg. certain values or even layout etc., which can make it hard to anonymize it. At least that's what I would do.
i-Lo
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(01-23-2013, 06:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by Gemüsepizza

Or it could be an old dev kit from when Sony aimed for 2 GB GDDR5 RAM.

Highly unlikely given the ratio of ram in the dev kit to retail box. It's generally around 2:1 and that would be around 5:1
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(01-23-2013, 06:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by Gemüsepizza

I guess some of these docs are customized for each dev to make it possible to identify them, eg. certain values or even layout etc., which can make it hard to anonymize it. At least that's what I would do.

Would be funny if that's where the 'weird' 2.2GB came from. Or not so funny, depending on your pov :/
ekim
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(01-23-2013, 06:50 PM)
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Give me these 90 PDFs. Pls :(
Globox_82
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(01-23-2013, 06:50 PM)
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I am not giving hits to Shitaku so thanks for posting this nonsense here.
Gemüsepizza
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(01-23-2013, 06:51 PM)

Originally Posted by i-Lo

Highly unlikely given the ratio of ram in the dev kit to retail box. It's generally around 2:1 and that would be around 5:1

Hm, it could be just a normal PC with a 2 GB GPU (GDDR5) and 8 GB DDR3 RAM which serves as early dev kit?
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(01-23-2013, 06:51 PM)
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Originally Posted by BobTheFork

Ok, that's what I thought. Another question... why and how does that work? wouldn't you want it to run the same on the devkit as the console? Do you develop and put it on the console and see how it runs? Ignorant question but I honestly don't know.

You need more ram, because on Devkit you have to run both game and diagnostic software, asset creation software and other additional stuff. Also Devkit runs on Windows/Linux [more "wasted" ram]. :D
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(01-23-2013, 06:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by Gemüsepizza

Hm, it could be just a normal PC with a 2 GB GPU (GDDR5) and 8 GB DDR3 RAM which serves as early dev kit?

That is what it is, no doubt.
GavinGT
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(01-23-2013, 06:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by Gemüsepizza

I guess some of these docs are customized for each dev to make it possible to identify them if something leaks, eg. certain values or even layout etc., which can make it hard to anonymize it. At least that's what I would do.

That would be a new low for Sony's console documentation. I really doubt they'd lie about specs to developers, especially when something like the amount of VRAM can be so easily verified in multiple ways.
TheGreyHulk
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(01-23-2013, 06:52 PM)
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all of these rumors are driving me insane
DieH@rd
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(01-23-2013, 06:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by TheGreyHulk

all of these rumors are driving me insane

Relax, you can safely ignore this one.
i-Lo
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(01-23-2013, 06:54 PM)
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Originally Posted by Gemüsepizza

Hm, it could be just a normal PC with a 2 GB GPU (GDDR5) and 8 GB DDR3 RAM which serves as early dev kit?

Yes, that does make more sense. I was looking at it purely from the perspective of ratio and it was indeed a narrow PoV.
angelfly
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(01-23-2013, 06:55 PM)
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Specs look good to me. Now to see if Sony can price it reasonably.
Gemüsepizza
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(01-23-2013, 06:56 PM)

Originally Posted by GavinGT

That would be a new low for Sony's console documentation. I really doubt they'd lie about specs to developers, especially when something like the amount of VRAM can be so easily verified in multiple ways.

Hm, I guess they wouldn't lie about something so obvious like RAM. But this TFLOPS figure could be different, I always wondered why it was so "exact". 1.83 TFLOPS for Electronic Arts, 1.84 TFLOPS for Ubisoft, 1.82 TFLOPS for Square Enix, of course it could be completely false and they did not use such a method at all, just a crazy theory.
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GavinGT
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(01-23-2013, 06:56 PM)
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In what world does 2.2 GB = 2 GB? Adding that extra .2 GB of RAM would be a needlessly complicated endeavor. It would require all sorts of funky multiplexing and there's just no reason for it.

The most likely explanation is that Kotaku is just being Kotaku once again.
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APZonerunner
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(01-23-2013, 06:56 PM)
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There's not many things I can think of wanting less on a console controller than that shitty slide pad.
Baconsammy
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(01-23-2013, 06:57 PM)

Originally Posted by shagg_187

You mean this abomination?



LOLL!!!!

No, I mean this, but without the stupid bulb:

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(01-23-2013, 07:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by VanWinkle

Can't think of any for games, but it would be nice for lists and as a touchpad for web browser.

simple. it makes cheap touch based games (from words with friends to fruit ninja etc) playable o ps4. buy one of these games for a dollar or two, and port it between the ps4 and the vita when you're on the go.
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Originally Posted by Baconsammy

No, I mean this, but without the stupid bulb:

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/i...JgCq7qm-WG1Lqj

If I still high-fived then now would be an appropriate time. That split Dual Shock is literally the worst of both worlds.
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(01-23-2013, 07:00 PM)
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Wow, that stuff about the controller being associated with an account is kind of awesome...
Raist
(01-23-2013, 07:01 PM)

Originally Posted by CaptainTiptop

Nvidia are cocky. AMD are cheaper.

Sony might also not have liked the whole Nvidia handheld thing either.
Iced_Eagle
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(01-23-2013, 07:02 PM)
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Touch pad on the controller would be interesting.

However, I wonder what the size of the controller will be to support that. Will it be as large as the PS Vita?

Also, I'm not a PS3 owner, but can you really not have multiple people logged in and earning trophies currently?? I'm surprised I didn't hear about this before... I'm glad they're adding that, but it just seems like something they should have done years ago. I'm pretty sure 360 has supported that since its launch.
Heavy
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(01-23-2013, 07:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by TheGreyHulk

all of these rumors are driving me insane

It is really getting too much to handle. Every day a rand site comes up with something new
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(01-23-2013, 07:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by GavinGT

In what world does 2.2 GB = 2 GB?

The most likely explanation is that Kotaku is just being Kotaku once again.

Probably a mix up (and poor rounding of) GB (10^9) and GiB (2^30)
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(01-23-2013, 07:03 PM)
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No one cares about the Vita back touch panel. Something is lost in translation. Why would there be something no one wants but in an inferior fashion (2 point on PS4 vs multi touch on Vita)?

I think the back being a biometric sensor of sorts sounds more likely.
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(01-23-2013, 07:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by GavinGT

In what world does 2.2 GB = 2 GB? Adding that extra .2 GB of RAM would be a needlessly complicated endeavor. It would require all sorts of funky multiplexing and there's just no reason for it.

The most likely explanation is that Kotaku is just being Kotaku once again.


Rounding up from,2,147,483,648 probably, lol
I still don't get why people care what's in the devkit when we've heard seemingly reliable info on what will be in the console.
Controller and account info is much more useful imo
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Raist
(01-23-2013, 07:04 PM)
Guys don't worry too much over the 2.2GB VRAM thing. It might just be a typo.
They meant 22GB
Zzoram
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(01-23-2013, 07:04 PM)
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So the PS4 is going to be better than the Xbox720 in every spec now? Equal RAM and CPU cores, but better RAM and faster CPU cores.
Karak
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(01-23-2013, 07:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by shagg_187

You mean this abomination?



LOLL!!!!

God I love that thing:)
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(01-23-2013, 07:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by Heavy

It is really getting too much to handle. Every day a rand site comes up with something new

yeah. one day it's jaguar + 4gb gddr5 then the next day it's bulldozer + split memory.

it's so much to follow, but i love it. it's a pain to get a grip on which is going to be correct, but it's also the thrill of not knowing and being so genuinely excited for next gen that any little news you see puts you in line to buy a ticket to board the hype train.

i gotta say though, the specs of this dev kit sounds pretty awesome.
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(01-23-2013, 07:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by Karak

God I love that thing:)

QWERTYUIOP does it for me! :lol :lol

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