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Aeana
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(02-16-2013, 08:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by Inorigo

Without taking a loss? No. That's my guess. And Atlus taking a loss isn't like Sony taking one, I imagine.

Edit: 30 might be a tad generous for PersonaGAFs head count. I kid, I kid ^_^

It's not like most of "PersonaGAF" is even interested in a Persona game that isn't like 3 or 4.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
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(02-16-2013, 08:10 PM)
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I'm actually pleased with this turn of events. I'd rather pay $6-$10 to fill out my Persona collection than pay $30 for a slightly better PSP version. Plus, this way gets bonus points for nostalgia (the original P2:EP script was one of the first decent translations Atlus USA did).
buddha0991
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(02-16-2013, 08:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by Aeana

It's not like most of "PersonaGAF" is even interested in a Persona game that isn't like 3 or 4.

Still have issues with PersonaGAF I see

Though you are not wrong with that sadly for the most part
Du2andal
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(02-16-2013, 08:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by Inorigo

Oh look, someone reasonable.

Does being disappointed somehow preclude a person from being reasonable? I think Persona fans should be allowed to be both:

a) bummed that we wont get the sweet PSP release to play.

and

b)relieved that Atlus is doing what they can to keep people happy.

Does anyone know if P4G did well in the states? I wonder if PSP/PSV support feels like straight charity to Atlus these days.
Andrefpvs
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(02-16-2013, 08:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by Chacranajxy

Well, that's a bit of a cop-out.

Still got the PS1 version, so obviously, I'm not buying this, but uh... yeah. Guess this is their way of saying the PSP version ain't happening. For realz.

God fucking dammit, you're right, there's absolutely no way they'd release P2:EP PSP after releasing the PS1 Classic. Shit.

Not pleased at all.

Originally Posted by DidntKnowJack

I know just the place to put it...

And I won't even be able to do this, because I have an European PSN account. I had dreamed of having a complete Persona Collection page on my Vita... :/
KibblesBits
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(02-16-2013, 08:11 PM)
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The only thing people will miss out on is:

Newly remixed music similar to how the IS soundtrack was done.
A finely tuned battle system that improved on P2:ISPSP's system.
A side story featuring Tatsuya exclusively prior to joining the group.
Updated visuals and clear crisp graphics.
Data Transfer from previous game's save file.

No big loss.
D: DESPAIR!!
Sophia
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(02-16-2013, 08:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by buddha0991

Still have issues with PersonaGAF I see

Though you are not wrong with that sadly for the most part

I'd say Aeana partially wrong, at least. Guess it really depends on if you're referring to gameplay or story.
RedNumberFive
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(02-16-2013, 08:12 PM)
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Great news!

I guess my still sealed PSOne copy will remain sealed.
jello44
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(02-16-2013, 08:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by buddha0991

Still have issues with PersonaGAF I see

Though you are not wrong with that sadly for the most part

No, considering the amount of people posting in the thread, I'd say most of us want this.
FluxWaveZ
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(02-16-2013, 08:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by KibblesBits

The only thing people will miss out on is:

Newly remixed music similar to how the IS soundtrack was done.
A side story featuring Tatsuya exclusively prior to joining the group.

No big loss.
D: DESPAIR!!

Why are you doing this.
buddha0991
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(02-16-2013, 08:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by FluxWaveZ

Why are you doing this.

Features boss fights with a ton of Eldritch/Lovecraftian enemies that are hardly seen in the series past SMT 1/2
Dantis
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(02-16-2013, 08:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by SpaceBridge

Ofcourse they could. But they don't want to. How does that negate the years of their fancentric policies?

Not localising EP and the Arena region lock in the same year are the opposite of fan-centric. Building trust takes a long time, erasing it takes a second.

Originally Posted by Robert at Zeboyd Games

I'm actually pleased with this turn of events. I'd rather pay $6-$10 to fill out my Persona collection than pay $30 for a slightly better PSP version. Plus, this way gets bonus points for nostalgia (the original P2:EP script was one of the first decent translations Atlus USA did).

If I even get to play this, then I'll really miss the Arranged soundtrack. I hate listening to old school MIDI stuff (With a few exceptions. DKC2 is still glorious).

Originally Posted by Andrefpvs

God fucking dammit, you're right, there's absolutely no way they'd release P2:EP PSP after releasing the PS1 Classic. Shit.

Not pleased at all.
And I won't even be able to do this, because I have an European PSN account. I had dreamed of having a complete Persona Collection page on my Vita... :/

Me too, buddy.


Me too.
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Sophia
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(02-16-2013, 08:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by Dantis

Not localising EP and the Arena region lock in the same year are the opposite of fan-centric. Building trust takes a long time, erasing it takes a second.

The Arena region lock was likely out of their hand, as stupid of a situation it is for everyone.
graywolf323
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(02-16-2013, 08:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by jello44

No, considering the amount of people posting in the thread, I'd say most of us want this.

on a similarish note, I believe that the thread on Atlus' forums begging them to bring over the PSP version is one of the largest threads on their entire forum

Originally Posted by Dantis

Not localising EP and the Arena region lock in the same year are the opposite of fan-centric. Building trust takes a long time, erasing it takes a second.

I don't fully blame Atlus USA for it though, obviously Index is screwing things up for them

but at the same time they have lost one their top PR guy (Aram leaving for Sony) and didn't the president of Atlus USA leave for XSEED? that can't be a good sign
Tiktaalik
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(02-16-2013, 08:15 PM)
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welp pouring one out for the PSP version. :(
Inorigo
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(02-16-2013, 08:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by Aeana

It's not like most of "PersonaGAF" is even interested in a Persona game that isn't like 3 or 4.

Aww, don't be like that. I'm gonna get this, myself! I'm quite interested in EP!

Originally Posted by Du2andal

Does being disappointed somehow preclude a person from being reasonable? I think Persona fans should be allowed to be both:

a) bummed that we wont get the sweet PSP release to play.

and

b)relieved that Atlus is doing what they can to keep people happy.

Does anyone know if P4G did well in the states? I wonder if PSP/PSV support feels like straight charity to Atlus these days.

Fair points all around, but you have people posting as though they have a masters in business, work for Atlus, or both.

Over-presumption - "Atlus could TOTALLY do this! Come on!" - that's unreasonable.

Originally Posted by Sophia

The Arena region lock was likely out of their hand, as stupid of a situation it is for everyone.

I think one day we'll here about this and the Arena region lock as things on a list of shit that wouldn't have happened if Index hasn't got all corporate.
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BassForever
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(02-16-2013, 08:17 PM)
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Now I have no reason not to get persona 1 and 2s to complete my collection. Actually I still need to play persona 3 and 4 :X both are sitting on my shelf.
Zippedpinhead
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(02-16-2013, 08:19 PM)
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I feel this is a fare compromise and I will welcome it on my vita. I'll own it twice (ps1 disc and digital but that doesn't bother me at all)
michaelius
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(02-16-2013, 08:21 PM)

Originally Posted by SpaceBridge

Ofcourse they could. But they don't want to. How does that negate the years of their fancentric policies?

Hard to see those fan centric policies from Europe...
KibblesBits
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(02-16-2013, 08:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by FluxWaveZ

Why are you doing this.

Because while this is an ok compromise, it is not the optimal outcome and people need to know what they are missing out on.

The psp release of EP *is* higher quality product. There is no doubt about it, but for those who face the choice of older product versus nothing at all, or importing and learning a new language potentially, etc... the choice is now clear.

If it makes you feel any better, before EP was picked up for US release I bought IS and EP and played through them in Japanese and learned the language.
I also even wrote a guide with some chick named Dolies on geocities for EP. It was fun.
buddha0991
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(02-16-2013, 08:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by michaelius

Hard to see those fan centric policies from Europe...

What's a Europe?
jello44
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(02-16-2013, 08:23 PM)
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Originally Posted by graywolf323

on a similarish note, I believe that the thread on Atlus' forums begging them to bring over the PSP version is one of the largest threads on their entire forum

1,401 posts, 47 pages. Wow. That's impressive for a smaller former.
Sophia
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(02-16-2013, 08:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by Inorigo

I think one day we'll here about this and the Arena region lock as things on a list of shit that wouldn't have happened if Index hasn't got all corporate.

Considering every ArcSystems Works game prior to Persona 4 Arena has the option to use full English voices/text or full Japanese voices/text... I've always assumed that something mandated this for P4A as a result of the partnership, then someone else (Aniplex?) mandated the region lock if they were going to do that.

I really don't think Atlus/Index just did it for more money, but rather their hand being forced. My guess is that Aniplex had a part in this too, given they've got a previous track record for it.
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Rhapsody
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(02-16-2013, 08:25 PM)
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Already own the original, so I was hoping we'd get the PSP version someday. I guess I could still buy it if I want to play EP on the go.
But yeah, after this, it pretty cut any remaining chances of localizing the PSP version.
Tiktaalik
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(02-16-2013, 08:25 PM)
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Best case scenario going forward is that the Vita actually becomes half successful, and a year or so after the successful release of Persona 5: Golden on the device, Atlus can put out a "Persona 2 Collection" with both EP and IS bundled together.
Tizoc
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(02-16-2013, 08:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by KibblesBits

The only thing people will miss out on is:

Newly remixed music similar to how the IS soundtrack was done.
A finely tuned battle system that improved on P2:ISPSP's system.
A side story featuring Tatsuya exclusively prior to joining the group.
Updated visuals and clear crisp graphics.
Data Transfer from previous game's save file.

No big loss.
D: DESPAIR!!

That last part is the one thing that I feel like I'll miss out on =P
Inorigo
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(02-16-2013, 08:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sophia

Considering every ArcSystems Works game prior to Persona 4 Arena has the option to use full English voices/text or full Japanese voices/text... I've always assumed that something mandated this for P4A as a result of the partnership, then someone else (Aniplex?) mandated the region lock if they were going to do that.

I really don't think Atlus/Index just did it for more money, but rather their hand being forced. My guess is that Aniplex had a part in this too, given they've got a previous track record for it.

Yeah, I definitely think it was something pushed on them and they obviously can't say explicitly what it was. I'm sure they'd love to. The amount of "You fucked me over, Atlus! It's over!" from fans is just showing how fickle some people can be.
graywolf323
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(02-16-2013, 08:30 PM)
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Originally Posted by jello44

1,401 posts, 47 pages. Wow. That's impressive for a smaller former.

don't forget the 63,000+ views
Eusis
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(02-16-2013, 08:35 PM)
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Nice, maybe I was wrong about there probably being some contract problem that inhibited it's release.

And yeah, I would be happy to take the PSP version instead, especially as I have the PS1 disc and the PSP version could iron out localization inconsistencies brought about by P1's hackjob, but this is fantastic for everyone that didn't luck out or get it immediately upon release (it was technically a late Christmas gift for me thanks to delays).
NichM
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(02-16-2013, 08:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by randomkid

Nich you beautiful man, I am going to pretend you organized this single-handedly.

Nah, but I'm happy this is at least known now. I wrote a PSBlog article about it that will probably go up in a couple weeks, which touches on why the PSP version couldn't happen--and that's a "couldn't," not a "didn't," which is sadly all I'll ever really be able to say. It didn't have anything to do with fears of low sales.
Sophia
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(02-16-2013, 08:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by NichM

Nah, but I'm happy this is at least known now. I wrote a PSBlog article about it that will probably go up in a couple weeks, which touches on why the PSP version couldn't happen--and that's a "couldn't," not a "didn't," which is sadly all I'll ever really be able to say. It didn't have anything to do with fears of low sales.

That's a bit worrisome.

Ah well, at least we're getting something, so it's all good :D
FluxWaveZ
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(02-16-2013, 08:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by NichM

It didn't have anything to do with fears of low sales.

Interesting...
Chacranajxy
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(02-16-2013, 08:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by NichM

Nah, but I'm happy this is at least known now. I wrote a PSBlog article about it that will probably go up in a couple weeks, which touches on why the PSP version couldn't happen--and that's a "couldn't," not a "didn't," which is sadly all I'll ever really be able to say. It didn't have anything to do with fears of low sales.

Oooh, the plot thickens.
Aeana
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(02-16-2013, 08:38 PM)
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I'm still thinking it had to do with Index and localization programming/source code issues, but I know Nich will never be able to say either way.
Tiktaalik
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(02-16-2013, 08:38 PM)
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Originally Posted by NichM

Nah, but I'm happy this is at least known now. I wrote a PSBlog article about it that will probably go up in a couple weeks, which touches on why the PSP version couldn't happen--and that's a "couldn't," not a "didn't," which is sadly all I'll ever really be able to say. It didn't have anything to do with fears of low sales.

Crazy........
SpaceBridge
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(02-16-2013, 08:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by NichM

Nah, but I'm happy this is at least known now. I wrote a PSBlog article about it that will probably go up in a couple weeks, which touches on why the PSP version couldn't happen--and that's a "couldn't," not a "didn't," which is sadly all I'll ever really be able to say. It didn't have anything to do with fears of low sales.

Licensing issues?

Edit: never mind, you can't say.

Well there you go, Atlus still cares. Unless you live in EU. :p
buddha0991
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(02-16-2013, 08:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by Aeana

I'm still thinking it had to do with Index and localization programming/source code issues, but I know Nich will never be able to say either way.

It actually annoys me way more knowing that there IS a reason but we will not know it, lol.
Dantis
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(02-16-2013, 08:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by Inorigo

Yeah, I definitely think it was something pushed on them and they obviously can't say explicitly what it was. I'm sure they'd love to. The amount of "You fucked me over, Atlus! It's over!" from fans is just showing how fickle some people can be.

YOU CALLIN' ME FICKLE?

Originally Posted by NichM

Nah, but I'm happy this is at least known now. I wrote a PSBlog article about it that will probably go up in a couple weeks, which touches on why the PSP version couldn't happen--and that's a "couldn't," not a "didn't," which is sadly all I'll ever really be able to say. It didn't have anything to do with fears of low sales.

Final nail in the coffin.


Whelp. :(


Guess it's time to turn to EBay for that Arrange CD then. Man, this is really disappointing.
cjkeats
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(02-16-2013, 08:40 PM)
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Well at least we're getting an explanation instead of a "no comment". Can't wait to read.
KibblesBits
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(02-16-2013, 08:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by NichM

Nah, but I'm happy this is at least known now. I wrote a PSBlog article about it that will probably go up in a couple weeks, which touches on why the PSP version couldn't happen--and that's a "couldn't," not a "didn't," which is sadly all I'll ever really be able to say. It didn't have anything to do with fears of low sales.

I blame Elisha LaVerne! J/K
Tiktaalik
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(02-16-2013, 08:43 PM)
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The plus side to this is that the Persona series seems to be doing well, and game companies love to do remakes. Wait a few years until some point where some of these issues have been resolved and maybe we'll see another Persona 2 release for some future console. In the mean time fans can try out the PS1 original.
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(02-16-2013, 08:44 PM)
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Frankly, I'd be shocked if it was anything that couldn't be summarized as "Index is a pack of idiots who have their heads so far up their collective, xenophobic assholes that they make Zynga look downright smart."
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(02-16-2013, 08:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by NichM

Nah, but I'm happy this is at least known now. I wrote a PSBlog article about it that will probably go up in a couple weeks, which touches on why the PSP version couldn't happen--and that's a "couldn't," not a "didn't," which is sadly all I'll ever really be able to say. It didn't have anything to do with fears of low sales.

Please, please, consider releasing this on EU PSN as a PS1 import, since you guys publish to EU PSN.

Also, thanks for killing the last bit of hope for EP PSP I had, I feel like I can let go now.

But please try to at least release this on EU PSN :(
SpaceBridge
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(02-16-2013, 08:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by Chacranajxy

Frankly, I'd be shocked if it was anything that couldn't be summarized as "Index is a pack of idiots who have their heads so far up their collective, xenophobic assholes that they make Zynga look downright smart."

What evidence is there of this?
madkiller
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(02-16-2013, 08:47 PM)
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I'm still waiting for Persona 3 to be released on EU PSN:(
Chacranajxy
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(02-16-2013, 08:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by SpaceBridge

What evidence is there of this?

Index.
Inorigo
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(02-16-2013, 08:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by NichM

Nah, but I'm happy this is at least known now. I wrote a PSBlog article about it that will probably go up in a couple weeks, which touches on why the PSP version couldn't happen--and that's a "couldn't," not a "didn't," which is sadly all I'll ever really be able to say. It didn't have anything to do with fears of low sales.

It's like I'm GAFs Nostradamus. Truly.

Originally Posted by Dantis

YOU CALLIN' ME FICKLE?

Nah, you're more prickly, bro.
Recall
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(02-16-2013, 08:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by NichM

Nah, but I'm happy this is at least known now. I wrote a PSBlog article about it that will probably go up in a couple weeks, which touches on why the PSP version couldn't happen--and that's a "couldn't," not a "didn't," which is sadly all I'll ever really be able to say. It didn't have anything to do with fears of low sales.

Europe exists. We have money. You like money right?
buddha0991
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(02-16-2013, 08:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by Inorigo

It's like I'm GAFs Nostradamus. Truly.



Nah, you're more prickly, bro.

Is Patcher the Anti-you? Is he your Shadow?
Soriku
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(02-16-2013, 08:51 PM)
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Hmm...too bad Innocent Sin isn't playable on PS3.

Just looked up Eternal Punishment PSP's OST...wow the Map I theme is awesome.

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