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Avallon
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(02-16-2013, 08:34 PM)
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Poster is still awaiting verification, so we'll see if this is legit, but it's still interesting.

Sheds some light on what went wrong with the game

Gearbox didnt care about the game, they spent the money from acm on the borderlands games. Look at the release dates of borderlands and when aliens was anounced, they had the other companies like timegate do the work. When they got the game back timegate had done a terrible job. When it came into sega it was shit basicaly. Gearbox only cared about fixing 'progression blockers' (things that stop a player from getting through a level) or crashes.

Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comme...l_marines_ama/

Last edited by bishoptl; 02-18-2013 at 06:32 PM. Reason: original AMA got deleted, adding the saved screen capture for posterity/discussion
Surface of Me
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(02-16-2013, 08:34 PM)
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Hope Sega sues the shit out of them.
Aquamarine
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(02-16-2013, 08:36 PM)
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Gearbox didnt care about the game, they spent the money from acm on the borderlands games. Look at the release dates of borderlands and when aliens was anounced, they had the other companies like timegate do the work. When they got the game back timegate had done a terrible job. When it came into sega it was shit basicaly. Gearbox only cared about fixing 'progression blockers' (things that stop a player from getting through a level) or crashes.

1. Sega was at fault by not being vigilant enough...by the time they detected Gearbox's bullshit, it was too late

2. Sega should bleed Gearbox dry. These kinds of tactics are absolutely abhorrent.
DTLIONS1013
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(02-16-2013, 08:36 PM)
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Well at least we got two great Borderlands games and loads of DLC
Relaxed Muscle
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(02-16-2013, 08:36 PM)
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Sorry, but how should a tester know that Gearbox spend ACM development money on Borderlands?
jwk94
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(02-16-2013, 08:36 PM)
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Did borderlands 2 leave room for a sequel?
Meelow
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(02-16-2013, 08:37 PM)
I wonder if he knows anything about the Wii U version.
ShockingAlberto
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(02-16-2013, 08:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by jwk94

Did borderlands 2 leave room for a sequel?

It set one up directly.
Derrick01
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(02-16-2013, 08:38 PM)
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Originally Posted by Aquamarine

1. Sega was at fault by not being vigilant enough...by the time they detected Gearbox's bullshit, it was too late

2. Sega should bleed Gearbox dry. These kinds of tactics are absolutely abhorrent.

Sega seems to have a history of being a somewhat incompetent publisher. As much as I love Obsidian, Sega did sort of let them waffle through a lengthy part of the development phase when they had no idea what game they wanted to make. Most publishers probably would have pulled the plug at that point before sinking millions more into it.

Originally Posted by jwk94

Did borderlands 2 leave room for a sequel?

It left room open for about 40 sequels if you want to take the ending literally.
Santiako
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(02-16-2013, 08:38 PM)
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Originally Posted by jwk94

Did borderlands 2 leave room for a sequel?

Yes, it sets one up.
Miles Quaritch
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(02-16-2013, 08:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by jwk94

Did borderlands 2 leave room for a sequel?

It's their new cash cow, of course it left room for a sequel.
RileyLewis
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(02-16-2013, 08:39 PM)
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I have to second the question: How would a lowly tester know what the company is spending money on? I am suspicious of this AMA.
funkystudent
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(02-16-2013, 08:40 PM)
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There was a while there between Borderlands 1 and 2 when I was really high on Gearbox.


Looking back I guess they just got real lucky with Borderlands 1.
Cameron122
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(02-16-2013, 08:40 PM)
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Really disappointed in Gearbox. I was thinking about seeing if I could be an intern there, before this all happened.
Riposte
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(02-16-2013, 08:41 PM)
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Sega please sue Gearbox and then use that money to bring over Yakuza 5, thank you.
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(02-16-2013, 08:43 PM)
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SEGA is incredibly lax when it comes to publisher pressure, I think its due their western studios being extremely competent and capable of doing a lot with little budget, it probably comes as a shock to deal with complete incompetent shady cunts. Its funny (in a dark way) to picture SEGA suits cancelling Obsidian's Alien RPG on account of them being hard to manage...only to continue giving cash to Gearbox.
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djplaeskool
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(02-16-2013, 08:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by Relaxed Muscle

Sorry, but how should a tester know that Gearbox spend ACM development money on Borderlands?

Depends.
There are multiple levels of 'tester' in most outfits, and their knowledge of related internal proceedings can range greatly.
Aquamarine
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(02-16-2013, 08:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by Meelow

I wonder if he knows anything about the Wii U version.

I asked him about it. He just posted a response:

Oh wow. Yes okay. I was hoping someone would ask this. I have played the WiiU version. The one that is supposedly the best of all of them? It is not. It is the worst. It is a bit of a joke. The WiiU is basically the same game as the console version but with framerate issues, worse texture loading, and horrendously misguided minigames thrown in. You get a 'scanner' to scan enemies and get bonus points that aid your harming them. When you cut open doors (which happens a lot in the game) you have a game where you have to keep the heat 'optimal'. They just add frustration, and take away even more from the fun. We don't know if it will come out, Sega are conisdering canceling it, but right now its still going.

GAMERG0D
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(02-16-2013, 08:43 PM)
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Gearbox needs to die.
SolidSnakex
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(02-16-2013, 08:44 PM)
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Originally Posted by RileyLewis

I have to second the question: How would a lowly tester know what the company is spending money on? I am suspicious of this AMA.

He shouldn't, but it's not the first time that this has popped up. If there's any truth to it then i'd expect Sega to go after Gearbox hard. Especially since they chose Aliens as one of the 4 franchises that they'd focus on going forward.
jwk94
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(02-16-2013, 08:44 PM)
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Originally Posted by Riposte

Sega please sue Gearbox and then use that money to bring over Yakuza 5, thank you.

We need valkyria chronicles on the psn first! With trophies.
Avallon
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(02-16-2013, 08:44 PM)
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Do you guys think that this would have been such a big deal if it were a new IP and not based on Aliens?
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(02-16-2013, 08:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by jwk94

Did borderlands 2 leave room for a sequel?

Originally Posted by ShockingAlberto

It set one up directly.

Originally Posted by Derrick01

It left room open for about 40 sequels if you want to take the ending literally.

Even if it hadn't, something that sells 6 million copies is getting a sequel.
Miles Quaritch
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(02-16-2013, 08:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by Aquamarine

I asked him about it. He just posted a response:

That's worrying. The mini games sound dreadful.
djplaeskool
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(02-16-2013, 08:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by Avallon

Do you guys think that this would have been such a big deal if it were a new IP and not based on Aliens?

I think it's less to do with being an Aliens game, and more from being the product of a 5-year hype cycle.
Diablohead
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(02-16-2013, 08:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by Surface of Me

Hope Sega sues the shit out of them.

Sega must be fuming in rage over all this.
Whompa
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(02-16-2013, 08:47 PM)
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I seriously feel no sympathy towards Gearbox.
Syph Medwes
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(02-16-2013, 08:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by Riposte

Sega please sue Gearbox and then use that money to bring over Yakuza 5, thank you.

I need a new Duke Nukem game first sorry. Hopefully with the effort put into Borderlands and not into Aliens but I'm not holding my breath unfortunately.
morningbus
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(02-16-2013, 08:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by DTLIONS1013

Well at least we got two great Borderlands games and loads of DLC

The only way my brain will allow this sentence to be processed is as sarcasm.
Mr. Nobody
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(02-16-2013, 08:48 PM)
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So basically they don't give a shit about any game besides Borderlands?
BY2K
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(02-16-2013, 08:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by Relaxed Muscle

Sorry, but how should a tester know that Gearbox spend ACM development money on Borderlands?

You'd be surprised by the things a QA Tester can learn.
JaseC
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(02-16-2013, 08:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by Whompa

I seriously feel no sympathy towards Gearbox.

Well, Opposing Force was quite good.
AHA-Lambda
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(02-16-2013, 08:49 PM)
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This game is going to destroy gearbox's reputation outside of the Borderlands franchise =/
Buckethead
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(02-16-2013, 08:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by Surface of Me

Hope Sega sues the shit out of them.

What a bizarre statement.
FourMyle
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(02-16-2013, 08:50 PM)
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Sounds like Gearbox will be getting sued for all they're worth.
Mileena
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Originally Posted by Surface of Me

Hope Sega sues the shit out of them.

First post etc

They're gonna be known as those guys who makes awful games.... oh and Borderlands too.
Meelow
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(02-16-2013, 08:50 PM)

Originally Posted by Aquamarine

I asked him about it. He just posted a response:

So Randy lied to us, and the game is terrible everywhere? Wow...

And I thought Gearbox actually cared.

And I am guessing canning the game would be because of the reputation the game is getting now, huh?
Avallon
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(02-16-2013, 08:50 PM)
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UPDATE: Wow I am getting demolished by downvotes. I thought this might be of interest, especially on gaming? I have contacted the mods. I can't just post verification as I may be sued, I don't currently work for Sega (but kind of do, it's a long story). I have played the WiiU version, and all the DLC content too.

Not sure what to believe now.
BY2K
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(02-16-2013, 08:50 PM)
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Oh wow. Yes okay. I was hoping someone would ask this. I have played the WiiU version. The one that is supposedly the best of all of them? It is not. It is the worst. It is a bit of a joke. The WiiU is basically the same game as the console version but with framerate issues, worse texture loading, and horrendously misguided minigames thrown in. You get a 'scanner' to scan enemies and get bonus points that aid your harming them. When you cut open doors (which happens a lot in the game) you have a game where you have to keep the heat 'optimal'. They just add frustration, and take away even more from the fun. We don't know if it will come out, Sega are conisdering canceling it, but right now its still going.

Oh wow... OH WOW.

Just nuke it, Sega, people won't be upset about this one.
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(02-16-2013, 08:53 PM)
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I think it's better to wait a bit until that guy posts verification. But if true, Sega shouldn't leave this alone.
prag16
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(02-16-2013, 08:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by Miles Quaritch

That's worrying. The mini games sound dreadful.

Texture loading issues? I don't think any of the other crappy launch ports had this issue (except maybe Batman in a few spots).

So far he hasn't said anything that a random attention whore poser could've have cobbled together based on the rest of the news and leaks thus far. We'll see if he ends up being verified as credible by the mods...
delta25
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(02-16-2013, 08:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by funkystudent

There was a while there between Borderlands 1 and 2 when I was really high on Gearbox.


Looking back I guess they just got real lucky with Borderlands 1.

What about Brothers in Arms.
smr00
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(02-16-2013, 08:55 PM)

Originally Posted by DTLIONS1013

Well at least we got two great Borderlands games and loads of DLC

Borderlands isn't going anywhere because it's a franchise that makes money. Worst case scenario the IP ends up being sold off.
AHA-Lambda
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(02-16-2013, 08:55 PM)
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How much money did Sega waste on this games development?

And when did Sega realise there was a point of no return and the game wasn't going to get any better? I would have thought, they'd have realised this sooner given it's announcement in 2008.

PS: Will sega sue gearbox?

Many tens of millions. Including marketing. Think over forty, nearer sixty. Sega only got it for test mid last year. The seniors really fucked it up, they saw gearbx as being an amzing company and thought they had borderlans with aliens. They didnt think to check on it.

Yes, there will be legal ramiffications.

Dayum!
ShockingAlberto
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(02-16-2013, 08:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by Meelow

So Randy lied to us, and the game is terrible everywhere? Wow...

And I thought Gearbox actually cared.

And I am guessing canning the game would be because of the reputation the game is getting now, huh?

Randy Pitchford, lie?!

I can't imagine.
BY2K
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(02-16-2013, 08:56 PM)
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Originally Posted by prag16

Texture loading issues? I don't think any of the other crappy launch ports had this issue (except maybe Batman in a few spots).

So far he hasn't said anything that a random attention whore poser could've have cobbled together based on the rest of the news and leaks thus far. We'll see if he ends up being verified as credible by the mods...

Not sure he'd want to get sued over a lie. What he says as to be the truth, otherwise he is a very stupid person.
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Originally Posted by G-Fex

So basically they don't give a shit about any game besides Borderlands?

They completely own the Borderlands IP.
Sir Ilpalazzo
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(02-16-2013, 08:56 PM)
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Now he's saying he's seen the upcoming consoles.
BY2K
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(02-16-2013, 08:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sir Ilpalazzo

Now he's saying he's seen the upcoming consoles.

If he's a tester, it's possible.
GAMERG0D
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(02-16-2013, 08:57 PM)
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I have no idea. I hope not. I doubt it. acm is an anomaly. We do have the new consoles in too. At head office. Dey sexy...

Not sure what to think of this now

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