[shinobi602]

I kind of feel bad for the rap he gets around here. And after listening to the interview also, he has completely a realistic outlook about Nintendo IMO. Some tidbits:

• Jack Tretton told Pach they definitely will not charge $599 again.
• Thinks the PS4 will launch at $399.
• Strongly thinks Kinect 2.0 will be bundled with 720 and make it more expensive than PS4
• Thinks everything on PSN (like Netflix, etc) will be behind a paywall, except multiplayer
• Feels certain The Last of Us will have a PS4 version
• Talked to Sony about Agent, Sony's words: "It's still under development".
• Nintendo's not going anywhere. Can go 20-30 years losing money like they are now before being in trouble.

Starts around the 34 minute mark: http://www.gamertagradio.com/new/201...ter-interview/

[APZonerunner]

Nintendo confirmed dead/PS4 confirmed for 599.

Just kidding, I love you Pachter.

[Goldenroad]

So basically Nintendo is going under and PS4 is going to be completely over priced...dammit Pachter.

[madmaxx350]

so ps4 more expensive than Xbox confirmed eh. Well I was expecting it.

[codhand]

funny how pachter won gaf over

[JoeInky]

Nintendo's not going anywhere. Can go 20-30 years losing money like they are now before being in trouble.

Yep, definitely doomed.

[OgTheClever]

I kind of agree about the price if Kinect is bundled into every console. Although the extra 4 gigs of GDDR5 in PS4 could push the prices closer to parity.

[fvng]

Seems reasonable

[Row]

How big is Nintendo's war chest?

[guek]

He's only bad when he knowingly presents his own speculation as some kind of insider info (though this is often due to misrepresentation and no fault of his own).

I'd take all his "predictions" as nothing more than guesses though unless blatantly specified. He's probably a decent analyst but his predictions are almost always wrong.

[Lonely1]

If the Ps4 is really cheaper than the NextBox I have to eat preemptive crow.

[electricpirate]

I kind of feel bad for the rap he gets around here. And after listening to the interview also, he has completely a realistic outlook about Nintendo IMO. Some tidbits: Jack Tretton told Pach they definitely will not charge $599 again. Strongly thinks Kinect 2.0 will be bundled with 720 and make it more expensive than PS4 Thinks everything on PSN will be behind a paywall, except multiplayer Feels certain The Last of Us will have a PS4 version Talked to Sony about Agent: "It's still under development". Nintendo's not going anywhere. Can go 20-30 years losing money like they are now before being in trouble. Starts around the 34 minute mark: http://www.gamertagradio.com/new/201...ter-interview/

Other than the Xbox 360/PS4 price arguments, he seems about right to me.

[Guevara]

If the Durango is really more expense because of Kinect, wow. Easiest decision ever.

[Talamatross]

How is it even an option to lose money 30 years as a company?
How can share-holders put up with that for 3 decades without insisting on going third-party at least in the console space?

[Meelow]

Why is there days when Pachter seems to have a grudge against Nintendo and than days where he's fine with them? Confuses me.

[HollovVpo1nt]

I kind of agree about the price if Kinect is bundled into every console. Although the extra 4 gigs of GDDR5 in PS4 could push the prices closer to parity.

People seem to forget that 8GB GDDR5 isn't cheap either and PS4 will likely be bundled with the new PSEye.

[saichi]

I kind of feel bad for the rap he gets around here. And after listening to the interview also, he has completely a realistic outlook about Nintendo IMO. Some tidbits: Jack Tretton told Pach they definitely will not charge $599 again. Strongly thinks Kinect 2.0 will be bundled with 720 and make it more expensive than PS4 Thinks everything on PSN will be behind a paywall, except multiplayer Feels certain The Last of Us will have a PS4 version Talked to Sony about Agent: "It's still under development". Nintendo's not going anywhere. Can go 20-30 years losing money like they are now before being in trouble. Starts around the 34 minute mark: http://www.gamertagradio.com/new/201...ter-interview/

It's a 3 game race between TLG, Versus and Agent.

EDIT: Infamous Second Son counts as a new IP?

ok...

[NateDrake]

If there is a The Last of Us for PS4 I'll be kind of mad I bought it on PS3.

[Jtyettis]

Yup, yup, nope.

Though it would be funny if Sony managed to pack in all that tech and come under.

[Kunan]

Seems quite reasonable. I wonder if the Sony camera will be bundled and drive its cost up to being the same as the 720?

[Haunted]

Why is it "bad rap", I thought that was short for reputation.

[DXB-KNIGHT]

The power of the Triforce compels you!

[bdizzle]

How big is Nintendo's war chest?

6 or 7 billion i think

[The Delanator]

So basically Nintendo is going under and PS4 is going to be completely over priced...dammit Pachter.

so ps4 more expensive than Xbox confirmed eh. Well I was expecting it.

How does this contribute?

Also, 8GB RAM is definitely pricey. If MS puts a Kinect in every box who are they going after? Casuals? Will they really pay $400 for a camera thing?

[ChosenPredator]

funny how pachter won gaf over

because everything he said was positive if he said something negative this place would be all over him.

[MasterBalls]

I thought Nintendo would never recover from the WiiU? C'mon son.

[faridmon]

Didn't he always to imply that nintendo is doomed for so long?
He contradicts his own statements.

[serplux]

How big is Nintendo's war chest?

13.7 billion as of 2011.

[zomgbbqftw]

How big is Nintendo's war chest?

1.2tn yen in cash and another 1tn yen in retained earnings.

Total in USD is about $24bn.

[pharmboy044]

Microsoft would rather eat those Kinect costs rather than being higher priced than their competition.

[Ghost_Protocol]

Why is there days when Pachter seems to have a grudge against Nintendo and than days where he's fine with them? Confuses me.

His comments are almost always posted out of context and sensationalized. That's why.

[Respawn]

If the Ps4 is really cheaper than the NextBox I have to eat preemptive crow.

haha its like thanksgiving but with crow these days on Gaf.

I will be quite surprised to but I thought 720 will have two versions?

[Alx]

We already had declarations about how the PS4 price wouldn't be at PS3 level. It's obvious Sony learnt their lesson, and just like they're now developer-friendly, they'll try to be competitive on price. Although the 8GB trick isn't supposed to help.
I doubt the cameras will be a big element for price difference though (especially since we're assuming they'll come as standard for both consoles). Neither the PS4Eye nor the rumored kinect2 are putting out-of-this-world specs.

How long has Agent been in development now ?

[Tobor]

How is it even an option to lose money 30 years as a company? How can share-holders put up with that for 3 decades without insisting on going third-party at least in the console space?

He said Nintendo isn't going anywhere. Iwata on the other hand...

[ismk]

This is probably one of the most sane predictions by Pachter. It's great to see that Sony learned their mistake even if it might not be cheaper than Durango.

He said Nintendo isn't going anywhere. Iwata on the other hand...

Iwata is probably great as a boss but when it comes to financials for the company, he hasn't really done too well. I think he got extremely lucky with Wii and how amazing it did.

[Beer Monkey]

Sony's new Eye seems more expensive than Kinect, will it be packed in? Hmm.

If Durango doesn't have a SKU cheaper than Sony's cheapest, my interest is declining.

[Kusagari]

Everything we know suggests Durango will be cheaper.

Pach will be wrong as usual.

[kpjolee]

Pretty safe predictions, but I cant really agree with the Durango being more expensive than PS4.

[Foshy]

Sony's new Eye seems more expensive than Kinect

How so? I think I heard it couldn't even track depth.

[Hot Coldman]

Ehhhhh, I'm not so sure about the Nextbox being more expensive than PS4. I can't see his prediction about Kinect being bundled with it coming true- at the end of the day, the majority of people buying into the Nextbox during its early months will be the early adopter, core-gamer type crowd who already know about Kinect. Unless MS has finally figured out how to make a big core-gamer appealing Kinect game that doesn't involve dancing, I don't see them forcing people to pick up a Kinect with their console.

That said, they're in an arrogant mood lately, so who knows.

[Nairume]

Of course they won't charge $599 again.

It'll be $529, with a year's subscription to PS+ Platinum being $70.

[Noirulus]

1.2tn yen in cash and another 1tn yen in retained earnings. Total in USD is about $24bn.

How much were they worth at their peak?

I remember a few years ago people were claiming they could buy out Sony, lol.

[grandjedi6]

Of course its not going to be $599. The bad PR alone would make that a suicide move.

[Byakuya769]

Let me give my deeply original response: so everything will be the opposite of what he says, hur hur.

If Pachter is suggesting MS bundles Kinect while Sony leaves out their camera, Sony would be making a mistake.

[Johnbig]

Agent and TLOU on PS4 would be make me very happy. There's no way Agent's a PS3 game now, lol.

[fuzzyreactor]

If 360 is really more expensive and weaker than ps4 because of Kinect - wow, no words

[shinobi602]

6 or 7 billion i think

According to Pach, it's around 10 billion.

[hammster]

I applaud his consistency

http://www.nintendo-insider.com/2013...ke-with-wii-u/

[MisterHero]

How is it even an option to lose money 30 years as a company? How can share-holders put up with that for 3 decades without insisting on going third-party at least in the console space?

If most [or the most powerful] investors are on Nintendo's side they can do what they want. That's good because it means the hardware/software makers still control the direction. Being like X company just to please shareholders is nonsense.

There's nothing revelatory about his claim but it's a step up from claiming they make grievous errors every year.

[Haunted]

Of course its not going to be $599. The bad PR alone would make that a suicide move.

Well, that rumour the other day did say $529.