-120hz, display port or dual dvi input for 1080p60 3d games
-1080p
-3D
-PQ of a Kuro or Panasonic plasma
-weight and power efficiency of lcd
-lack of burn in concern
I'm not in a hurry to go beyond 1080p, especially with downsampling looking so good and a new gen of consoles coming to set the graphical baseline. 1080p is ok with me. Of course I've never seen a 1440p monitor either.
I spent a long time trying to find the right HDTV for next gen games (this was prior to the Xbox 360, Wii and PS3 coming out).
Thanks to forums like AVS and NeoGAF, I was able to do my research and at the beginning of this generation I bought a Panasonic G15 50" Plasma.
Now most people tell you that you should run slides or whatever to "break in" the television but I didn't end up doing that.
What I did do was I made sure to not put brightness or contrast past level 50 for the first 200 hours or so of using the set (because the risk of IR and burn in was higher).
After about 200 hours of nothing but pure gaming (something they warn you against doing) I was able to tune the settings to get the best picture out of my set.
I play fighting games, music rhythm games, games in standard def - the set handled it all.
I love plasma so much I upgraded it to a Panasonic GT30 50" plasma after the fact.
Only downside is that the IR is a bit worse with the newer plasma but nothing worth getting upset over.
In the end the choice is yours but honestly - Plasma is phenomenal tech.
Low input lag, amazing picture, great value. What more can you ask for?
there's a recent issue of consumer reports where they ranked plasmas,lcds etc/ all the panasonic plasmas took top honors. but they recommended the lcds for value.. stuff like image burn, size, having to get a new one every few years. im still researching hdtvs myselfOriginally Posted by spannicus
Always heard bad things about plasma's that scared me away, like oh theres gonna be screen burning and they die out quicker. I never had the chance to find out.
Since someone said this was wrong, I'm going to disagree with them. Currently the best tv type for me is a 42inch lcd 1080i, with a slight shadow of what looks to be a fist indentation over a line of pixels that starts off blue, but goes away in half an hour. But I like it, cause I found it when I was taking out the trash, the same place I found my ps3 with the broken bluray. I'm not a cheap ass gamer, I'm a broke ass gamer.There is no best TV type, just get whatever works for you.
I can say that Plasma's seem to be the most affordable regardless of size.Originally Posted by Rekki-Maru
there's a recent issue of consumer reports where they ranked plasmas,lcds etc/ all the panasonic plasmas took top honors. but they recommended the lcds for value.. stuff like image burn, size, having to get a new one every few years. im still researching hdtvs myself
My opinion - the Sony is noticeably brighter and vivid than the plasmas. The Panny has the best black level I've seen since the Pioneer Kuros. The Samsung has better color and sharpness than the other two.
If I had to choose one, it would be the Samsung. It's just the best overall television when it comes to image quality. The other two sets looks very, very good as well but produce a softer image. I'm looking forward to picking up an OLED when it comes down in price.
Still looks amazing to me.
Heres an article that speculates Panasonic will stop creating new Plasma's march of this year but also says they will continue to distribute them, also they are to partner with Sony for something.http://www.oled-info.com/panasonic-s...rd-focus-oledsOriginally Posted by Deadly Cyclone
Have OLEDs even dropped in price yet? I'll be getting a new TV this fall and it seems all of Gaf recommends Panny plasmas, so it may be a 60" Panny. Unless something happens between now and then.
It looks great, and 3d movies look fucking fantastic on this thing. Plus its passive 3D you don't need those stupid $100 3D glasses, just the ones like at the theater. Came with 4. Anyway games look great too, as do 3D games on the PS3.
Panasonic demoed them side by side with the reference Kuro at CES. They have basically caught up to Kuro's and surpassed them in some ways according to some at AVS forums. Panasonic bought some of the technology when Pioneer quit making them, but it has taken few years to reach parity, which is an amazing compliment to Pioneer.Originally Posted by HomerSimpson-Man
I'm waiting to see how the Panasonic VT 2013 plasmas are like, the 2012 release was considered the best tv last year setting it as reference quality compared to other tvs.
Well, I nearly jizzed my pants. I love my Kuro, but I'm looking for a bigger tv now and this looks to hold beautifully for several years while 4k/OLED tech eases towards a more consumer friendly price range.Panasonic demoed them side by side with the reference Kuro at CES. They have basically caught up to Kuro's and surpassed them in some ways according to some at AVS forums. Panasonic bought some of the technology when Pioneer quit making them, but it has taken few years to reach parity, which is an amazing compliment to Pioneer.
The only time i would get an LCD over a Plasma is if i spend more than 50% of my viewing time with direct sunlight shining onto the screen.
I've got a 50" Samsung PS50C550 plasma from 2009 (I think, bought it fairly cheap in 2010) and it's starting to lose it's sweet, tasty blacks :( Fortunately the picture still looks fantastic when there aren't huge amounts of black on the screen.
Yeah 2013 is looking like the year they finally reach parity, or close enough. Personally I won't upgrade my 2010 vt25 unless they add 120hz. From my understanding this is unlikely to happen any time in the next few years. Next gen consoles will not be powerful enough to do AAA games in 1080p30 3D, so there is no incentive for the manufacturers.Originally Posted by HomerSimpson-Man
Well, I nearly jizzed my pants. I love my Kuro, but I'm looking for a bigger tv now and this looks to hold beautifully for several years while 4k/OLED tech eases towards a more consumer friendly price range.
I guess we should feel lucky to finally be playing console games at our tv's native resolution.
We've been running a 3 year upgrade cycle and we're hitting the 3 year mark in June. In 2016 it'll probably be a move to 4K, assuming it's affordable by then.
Honestly, this seems like way more trouble then it's worth. I don't want a TV that requires weekly maintenance or whatever.Originally Posted by jstevenson
So much wrong here.
Change your settings to eliminate the input lag. Image retention can happen, but it's not permanent, be careful and you're fine. i played like 300 hours of SWTOR in 5 weeks on my Panny Plasma with only minor issues. In full color programming you couldn't see any of the image retention and it was gone within a couple hours.
I'm currently looking at buying a 40" or 46" LED in the under $1000 range. Sure maybe I won't get the best TV on the market but it will be better then what I currently have. Well minus the dick all for legacy inputs. Seriously these new TV's with one component/Composite hybrid input are pure evil. There's got to be more demand for hooking up more then one non HDMI device to a TV. I know everyone doesn't want to hook up retro systems to their TV but only one?
Pretty much not any time soon. I've been investigating recently over at avs forums and it seems to be a dead end. Here is the thread if you want to read about it:Anyone in here have any idea when real 120hz TVs will be released? Would love to have my HTPC play games, but the 60hz makes it hard to enjoy.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1341547/10...le-in-2012/120
I was joking too...Originally Posted by SlipperyMoose
Well I'm obnoxiously joking with that past. I don't really own any of those things. The Diamond cable is so high in price because it is pure silver.
Just in case... just get any HDMI cable from Monoprice. It doesn't make any difference.
But I guess that's common knowledge around here.
Hahaha those Amazon customer reviews :DOriginally Posted by SlipperyMoose
Panasonic VT50 with Diamond AudioQuest HDMI cable.
No buzzing on my 2011 Panasonic, thankfully. I think if I stuck my ear directly to it I could hear something, but that's probably not what you're talking about.Originally Posted by Vinterbird
Plasma will without doubt give you the best picture, but I've had some issues with plasma forcing me away from them, and you should if possible try to get a plasma set in your home and use it in real world conditions a but to see if it is for you. I've had four plasma in my home, and each has had a large amount of buzzing which was horribly annoying and ruined any use of the TV.so you might be aware of that, or get lucky with a set that doesn't buzz loudly enough do you to notice.
I know. They are pure gold or should I say, diamond.Originally Posted by BocoDragon
Hahaha those Amazon customer reviews :D
No buzzing on my 2011 Panasonic, thankfully. I think if I stuck my ear directly to it I could hear something, but that's probably not what you're talking about.
They had it running against the VT50 and honestly the black levels were just incredible. Probably the best I've ever seen and the VT50 is no slouch in that regard.
OLED's still have a ways to go. They look amazing in demos but rarely do the demos focus on people's faces which is where OLED's tend to show some flaws.
Same with my friend who has a low end 2011 model. It's close to perfect, but my ST50's have all been buzzing loud enough to be audible at five meters from the tv watching a news broadcast (and official panasonic repair center said they didn't consider it a flaw and wouldn't repair it)Originally Posted by BocoDragon
No buzzing on my 2011 Panasonic, thankfully. I think if I stuck my ear directly to it I could hear something, but that's probably not what you're talking about.
-the pixels don't emit their own light -> contrast is awful, crushed blacks, backlight bleeding etc
-the pixels have to reorient themselves physically to change color or block light
-> this movement is inaccurate so you get pixel overshooting/not changing enough
-> the movement takes time so the pixels can't change color as fast as needed and you get ghosting (image retention for one frame or part of a frame basically for pixels that have to change vs those that don't)
-> pixels can't keep up reorienting and pixels have to stay in a certain orientation long enough means you get blurry images in motion
The only reason why LCD is so common is because it is dirt cheap to produce so manufacturers pushed it hard for big profits (until now due to dozens of new manufacturers popping up over the years there is lots of competition and prices have fallen to where profit margins aren't big anymore)
Oled emits its own light so the contrast is pixel perfect, they don't move so there are no response time problems like blur and there is no ghosting.
Oled decays though so it's not perfect either.
I don't know enough about plasma (other than that it emits its own light) to comment on it.
A tech like oled but not organic would be the ideal solution.
CRT (size, cost being the downsides) only flaw is screen geometry not being perfect, it is still the only tech that is uncompromising for now.
There were other more promising techs being researched (laser tv being one) but those were all canned because the lcd profits were too big.
OLED will win but that's not realistic for a few years.
TX-P65ST50Y - is this good?
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