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View Poll Results: Is Joakim Mogren CG?
#TeamCG - Totally CG, Fox Engine is the future of videogames!
839 41.11%
#TeamReal - Lol Kojima Productions isn't auditioning for AVATAR 2! :P
1,202 58.89%
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MormaPope
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(03-15-2013, 10:48 AM)
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Update:

Originally Posted by Hideo Kojima

Currently I'm working on the challenge (which I'm going to announce at GDC) on the production procedure over FOX engine. I strongly believe making the artificial waxwork look real or lively and making real person's expression ASAP over CG share much of common.

Source: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/lbf370


Originally Posted by Mushroomer25

So, /v/ posted a theory.

Joakim is 100% CGI in that interview. This is an elaborate tech demo for the Fox Engine.
- It explains why the two are never in the same frame together
- It explains the bandages
- It explains why the game being on the Fox Engine was the big reveal.

If you look at his cheek during the interview, the shading seems suspicious. And the closer you look at it, I have a hard time believing he is actually there.

Originally Posted by Guiberu



Cleared up the Twitter image a little. Tried to offer more definition. No matter what I did there was no definable definition on the neck area.

Also worth noting that messing with the levels of the image showed some rather interesting artifacts on everything apart from his head. Suggesting a higher resolution image has been layered atop the low resolution body.



Points worth noting:

  • The upper eyelids only half drop. The attached skin doesn't move at all. (i.e. the eyebrow, the recess below the eyebrow)
  • The lower eyelids simply don't move. I don't know about you, but I can't move my upper eyelids independently of the lower. More-so, when you are shocked or taken aback by something, the natural is to winch/squint.
  • The point of light in his pupil doesn't move in relation to his head movement. In fact it's static within the pupil at all times.
  • The shadows around the bandages on the right of the image are not consistent with the head movement

New interview link, other one got Viacom'ed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRpbxBDA1-Q

Geoff Keighley is obviously real, but there are many oddities about Mogren during the interview.

Face rendered by the Fox Engine:

Wild and crazy speculation of course, but if this is true, this interview was one hell of a ruse.

Originally Posted by TheNamelessOne

Just started a poll.


Go to http://www.vot.rs/949279 to vote.
Go to https://www.mentimeter.com/public/58e2a49fa361 for the results.

Voting for TeamCG and Team Real. Cast your vote, and let Kojima be with you.







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astroturfing
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(03-15-2013, 10:49 AM)
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so we've reached this point eh?
Tempy
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(03-15-2013, 10:49 AM)
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I want to believe.
Takao
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(03-15-2013, 10:50 AM)
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Threads like these are why Kojima does what he does. Some where a Konami employee is reading this, and laughing.

The carnival of stupid is back in town baby.
Bravocado
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(03-15-2013, 10:50 AM)
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That would be mind blowing.
Bricky
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(03-15-2013, 10:51 AM)
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If so, graphics have fooled me to the point where I thought they were real, which would be a big 'holy shit' moment.
BosSin
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(03-15-2013, 10:51 AM)
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I'm still on the fence with this one, there are some oddities with the video but the guy himself looks too real.
MormaPope
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Originally Posted by Takao

Threads like these are why Kojima does what he does. Some where a Konami employee is reading this, and laughing.

The carnival of stupid is back in town baby.

Can't be worse than ICP carnivals or concerts.
Dawg
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I'm going to put my previous reply here.

Sure, they covered most of his head up... But the mouth and the eyes are always a very difficult part to cover up with cg and there are details in his face that cg would easily miss.

Look at this bigger image for example. There's a lot of details in his face that cg would miss. The small red dot under his lips for example. And the cracks in his lips because they're dry.

rvy
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Pretty cool if true. I doubt it is though.
angular graphics
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(03-15-2013, 10:51 AM)
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Come on guys, no.
Hydrogen Bluebird
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Originally Posted by Bravocado

That would be mind blowing.

Yeah, absolutely. And with GDC coming up and Kojima talking about the fox engine there, it's indeed possible that Phantom Pain is just a tech demo.
DrBo42
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(03-15-2013, 10:52 AM)
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He's not CG!
magawolaz
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(03-15-2013, 10:52 AM)
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Aw come on
earvcunanan
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(03-15-2013, 10:53 AM)
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This is hilarious. Someone questioned in the other thread if Keighley was CG as well. lol
Daante
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(03-15-2013, 10:53 AM)
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holyshit it this is true ^^
Mpl90
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(03-15-2013, 10:53 AM)
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I'm just mind blown we can even think something like that. Kojima is doing his job, it seems. :lol
Opus Angelorum
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Definitely not CG, although the end of the video is slightly strange.

I think the awkwardness comes from the dodgy accent and general behavior.
Dynamite Shikoku
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(03-15-2013, 10:53 AM)
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We need to go deeper
SalsaShark
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(03-15-2013, 10:54 AM)
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so a videogame engine produces better CG than hollywood

sure

rofl
javac
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(03-15-2013, 10:54 AM)
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Either way, one side of the party will be eating crow, I wonder which side?
MormaPope
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Originally Posted by DrBo42

He's not CG!

I put the word speculation in the OP for a reason, chances are he's real, but this interview might be a ruse.
ActionRemix
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Originally Posted by Dawg

I'm going to put my previous reply here.

Sure, they covered most of his head up... But the mouth and the eyes are always a very difficult part to cover up with cg and there are details in his face that cg would easily miss.

Look at this bigger image for example. There's a lot of details in his face that cg would miss. The small red dot under his lips for example. And the cracks in his lips because they're dry.

Have you seen this?
http://vimeo.com/36048029

Runs on lowend laptops and you can see his pores.
Meatvillain
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Hilarious. This is getting crazier (I don't believe this is true at all), even if it's not the case I love that the speculation has gone to such an insane place.
Officerrob
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(03-15-2013, 10:55 AM)
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It's not CG, and it's pretty lame
MikeE21286
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That would be a "wow" next gen moment
inHallways
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That ending reaction was priceless. I love this shit, keep it up Kojima.
Kaako
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El carnaval de estúpido: ˇVámonos!
CrunchinJelly
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(03-15-2013, 10:55 AM)
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Haha, this is hilarious. I kind of hope it's true just because of how amazing it would be.

I dunno, the guy seems to just act like a bit of a weirdo and I don't really see anything that looks CG. I guess that might explain why they would cover the hair, though.
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Originally Posted by DrBo42

He's not CG!

You're not CG!!

[but I am]
Dawg
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Originally Posted by ActionRemix

Have you seen this?
http://vimeo.com/36048029

Runs on lowend laptops and you can see his pores.

A still head without any animations. And the lips aren't as realistisc as Joakim's. All those CG heads have a "perfect" feeling to it. Joakim's head has imperfections.
JehutyRunner
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Related, but kind of not on-topic. Look very closely at the laptop in the picture Kojima's just tweeted.



That sure looks like Keighey's picture from about 12 hours ago, doesn't it (at least the top half does anyways)?
Santar
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People are going waaay overboard here, he's real just look at how he moves and emotes, cgi's never been able to create anything like that yet.
Shinta
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This is what gaming is all about. I'm leaving this thread in a better mood than when I got here. :)
UrbanRats
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(03-15-2013, 10:57 AM)
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So this comes from 4chan, an anonymous board? Kojima actually posted it, mark my words!

It's not cgi.
monome
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CG for sure.

Gold Gaf or banned.
lazybones18
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Originally Posted by JehutyRunner

Related, but kind of not on-topic. Look very closely at the laptop in the picture Kojima's just tweeted.



That sure looks like Keighey's picture from about 12 hours ago, doesn't it (at least the top half does anyways)?

Might be right

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Originally Posted by JehutyRunner

Related, but kind of not on-topic. Look very closely at the laptop in the picture Kojima's just tweeted.



That sure looks like Keighey's picture from about 12 hours ago, doesn't it (at least the top half does anyways)?

That rice is CG.
Nibel
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(03-15-2013, 10:59 AM)
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Nope

But the fact that this theory exists amuses me
MormaPope
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A pic from Geoff posted today

Notice what looks a mic dangling from his shirt? Notice how the mic has been moved out of frame during the interview or how it's not even there anymore. Also Kojima has been putting out comparison pics of Fox Engine vs. real life, and Geoff posted that pic the same day as the interview.
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Originally Posted by DrBo42

He's not CG!

but Geoff Keighley is! :D has anyone really seen him in real life? has he always been CGI!? :D
DrBo42
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Originally Posted by JehutyRunner

Related, but kind of not on-topic. Look very closely at the laptop in the picture Kojima's just tweeted.



That sure looks like Keighey's picture from about 12 hours ago, doesn't it (at least the top half does anyways)?

Good eye, I believe you're correct. Doesn't really mean anything though.

Originally Posted by MormaPope

A pic from Geoff posted today



Notice what looks a mic dangling from his shirt? Notice how the mic has been moved out of frame during the interview or how it's not even there anymore. Also Kojima has been putting out comparison pics of Fox Engine vs. real life, and Geoff posted that pic the same day as the interview.

It is there in the interview, they just don't have it in frame for most of it. I definitely saw it at one point though.
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Originally Posted by Dawg

I'm going to put my previous reply here.

Sure, they covered most of his head up... But the mouth and the eyes are always a very difficult part to cover up with cg and there are details in his face that cg would easily miss.

Look at this bigger image for example. There's a lot of details in his face that cg would miss. The small red dot under his lips for example. And the cracks in his lips because they're dry.

dude, you're so behind it. such details are easily done in Zbrush.

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Opus Angelorum
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Was this posted?

https://mobile.twitter.com/oegreMAGA...112576/photo/1
Kariodude
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Any oddity with the way he looks is because he's in front of a green screen. People always look a little off when there's a green screen behind them.
UrbanRats
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The Moon landing was also done on Fox Engine.
web01
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(03-15-2013, 11:02 AM)
Come on now this is getting ridiculous, it was obviously a real person.
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Originally Posted by ActionRemix

Have you seen this?
http://vimeo.com/36048029

Runs on lowend laptops and you can see his pores.

Oh god the music....seems to be the most epic head in the history of heads.
Looks great but the face isn't animated and the eyes are closed.
That's where it would be extremely difficult to trick the human eye.

Never ever is Mogren CG.
It's a nice idea but he's to human...more than any CGI used in movies.
How should that be possible?
ActionRemix
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Originally Posted by MormaPope

A pic from Geoff posted today



Notice what looks a mic dangling from his shirt? Notice how the mic has been moved out of frame during the interview or how it's not even there anymore. Also Kojima has been putting out comparison pics of Fox Engine vs. real life, and Geoff posted that pic the same day as the interview.

You can see it in the last scene.
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Originally Posted by Opus Angelorum

Was this posted?

https://mobile.twitter.com/oegreMAGA...112576/photo/1

Solid and Liquid Kojima

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