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Pie and Beans
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(03-19-2013, 10:37 PM)
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Its important to note that Crecente didn't plagiarise since he apparently contacted the same source who has just repeated the same info John Walker sourced from him days beforehand. The "Lie" is Crecente trying to feign knowledge of Walker and his piece. Bullet point version ahoy:

Originally Posted by RobbieH

A summary of the Walker / Crecente stuff for those who hate or cannot read Twitter.

9th March


12th March
  • Kotaku discovered the ability to play SimCity offline for 19 minutes.
  • John Walker of RockPaperShotgun originally broke the story citing a Maxis insider who said the EA servers don’t really do anything: "The servers are not handling any of the computation done to simulate the city you are playing. They are still acting as servers, doing some amount of computation to route messages of various types between both players and cities. As well, they’re doing cloud storage of save games, interfacing with Origin, and all of that. But for the game itself? No, they’re not doing anything." Eurogamer, GameSpot, Kotaku and others ran with the story.

13th March
14th March
16th March
  • Walker posted an interview with Azzer who confirmed the claims of the Maxis insider: "The SimCity servers are not doing any calculations that could not be done on your PC, even for an entire region single player offline mode, let alone just the city you are in...All the server sends to your client, is some very basic data about each city...they are trying to handle all of the saving server side ("the cloud") which is bogging them down constantly."

17th March
  • Brian Crecente of Polygon posted a link to the RPS interview and said he was in the process of reading the interview and Azzer’s YouTube notes. He then sent both EA and Azzer questions based on the RPS findings.

19th March
  • Crecente posted an interview with Azzer who confirmed the claims of the Maxis insider: "It's not possible that EA servers are 'offloading' calculations (simulations) for your city, which it works out, and then sends to your client… Not at all. Your client simulates your city, and your client simulates all of the 'fire trucks from another city' type stuff too. Your client does that all. EA servers do not do any processing that your client is incapable of because our 'computers aren't powerful enough." The articles were kinda similar.
  • In a number of deleted comments Crecente said the original source of the story was the Lucy Bradshaw interview from a week and a half ago despite posting no original article in the meantime. He also said this story was entirely original and took 3 days of fact-finding to prepare.
  • Crecente said he had no knowledge of either RPS article and the source of the story was actually the Reddit post, not RPS, but that "I'll have to go check them out" and Walker was "doing good work".
  • When shown the article that originally broke the story – the one from the 12th – he said "oh, that I saw" but maintained Reddit as the source, not the story from the 16th which he didn't see. He said he started working on his story on Sunday, the day after RPS posted it and the day he read it.
  • All comments on the Polygon article either citing RPS as the source of the story or criticising Gies for attempting to discredit the RPS story that Polygon were now running were deleted. Polygon then added a link at the bottom of their story to the one from RPS on the 16th.
  • Folk on Twitter accused Crecente of plagiarism. Walker defended him.
  • After things calmed down Crecente maintained he didn’t lie. When shown his link to the RPS story he said he "only scanned it", but it inspired him to contact Azzer.
  • Walker has since been made aware of the tweets and various posts on GAF and responded to Crecente by saying "Brian, you lied at long and painful length, making me look like a fool. I'm too angry to discuss this tonight."

After this classic:

the SimCity shitstorm rolls on but with new questions of game journalism ethics.

Today Brian Crecente publishes a fascinating new news story entitled
"SimCity modder says game doesn't appear to offload significant calculations"
several days after John Walker and RPS broke that news with this totally not new article:
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013...y-easily-done/

Twitter fight ensures because thats how things are done in this profession (now with added 17th March Whoopsie to start):




Dust settles, apologies made, Polygon article now links to RPS.

User RobbieH then decides to sift that tweetbag and finds this glorious nugget:

So... a lie has been made here somewhere along the line.

Meanwhile Arthur Gies continues his campaign against discrediting all future critique of videogames because you should make a SimCity before you say mean things about one:


Polygon heres my advice:


[special thanks to RobbieH for wrangling tweets back into an acceptable timeline and also bullet point dis shit]

Edit: more tweets. I have them for you:

The defence rests at "I only scanned it, yer honour!"
Last edited by Pie and Beans; 03-20-2013 at 01:46 PM.
enzo_gt
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(03-19-2013, 10:41 PM)
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I don't understand why everyone was implicating Polygon in this entire debacle in the first place when it pretty much just was eagies not knowing when to stop.
ClovingWestbrook
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(03-19-2013, 10:42 PM)
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Brian C. What a unprofessional.
CoffeeJanitor
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(03-19-2013, 10:43 PM)
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These guys are clowns, I agree, but maybe they should get their own thread, a la Doritos. I feel like talking about them a ton is almost lending them credibility.

Not bitching about the validity of the topic, btw.
Lord_Nergal
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(03-19-2013, 10:43 PM)
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Let's not forget the Halo 4/Pizza Hut advertorial.
MasterBalls
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(03-19-2013, 10:43 PM)
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Once a Kotaku writer, always a Kotaku writer. And that Gies guy is pretty slimy/stupid too.
OverBlood 3
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(03-19-2013, 10:43 PM)
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Oh, this thread I saw.

With all this backlash they're getting do you reckon they'll address it somewhere like on I dunno their website polygon.com (please donate now ;_; )?

Bets on whether they'll be gracious and professional or stubborn and boring.
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(03-19-2013, 10:44 PM)
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Originally Posted by MasterBalls

Once a Kotaku writer, always a Kotaku writer. And that Gies guy is pretty slimy/stupid too.

Polygon is worse than Kotaku.
Toma
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(03-19-2013, 10:44 PM)
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Clever pun.
Ruprit
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(03-19-2013, 10:44 PM)

Originally Posted by enzo_gt

I don't understand why everyone was implicating Polygon in this entire debacle in the first place when it pretty much just was eagies not knowing when to stop.

Because with Crecente’s recent tweets and the instances of Polygon’s moderators deleting comments it’s becoming ever clearer that the core is rotten.
Heretic
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(03-19-2013, 10:44 PM)
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Brian Crecente = Timedog
alr1ght
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(03-19-2013, 10:44 PM)
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Not enough eggies discrediting the original story in the OP.
Lord_Nergal
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(03-19-2013, 10:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by OverBlood 3

Oh, this thread I saw.

With all this backlash they're getting do you reckon they'll address it somewhere like on I dunno their website polygon.com (please donate now ;_; )?

Bets on whether they'll be gracious and professional or stubborn and boring.

Please, their parent company has something like $140 million in VC.

That pays for a LOT of smugness.
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(03-19-2013, 10:45 PM)
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I seriously don't know what goes on inside Gies' head. What an absurd thing to tweet.
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(03-19-2013, 10:45 PM)
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Gaming journalism's 'best' all in one place, folks.
enzo_gt
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(03-19-2013, 10:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by shadyspace

Polygon is worse than Kotaku.

Whoa, lets not get carried away now. Then again, whatever method of repression your using is pretty effective so it's probably for the better.
King_Moc
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(03-19-2013, 10:45 PM)
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Is that what this Crecente guy actually looks like? He looks like a pretentious dick. He should be thrown to the wolves just for that.

Also, Gies' tweet. Is "As a games writer...", a qualifying statement that also means "I speak in fluent shit?"

I hate pricks that tow that line. That you can't be a critic unless you've also done the thing yourself.

"Hey man, i got this new album".

"Any good?"

"I've no idea. I've never recorded one myself, so am unable to give you any sort of opinion on it. Sorry!".

What a dick.
MasterBalls
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(03-19-2013, 10:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by shadyspace

Polygon is worse than Kotaku.

I was referring to Crecente, who used to be head writer at Kotaku. But yeah, they do seem a good deal more sleazy.
WrenchNinja
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(03-19-2013, 10:46 PM)
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Is polygon going to pull a jbaird
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(03-19-2013, 10:46 PM)
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Press Reset pun got me good.
TheBaronOfNA
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(03-19-2013, 10:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by King_Moc

Is that what this Crecente guy actually looks like? He looks like a pretentious dick.

Yes, pretty much.
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(03-19-2013, 10:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by enzo_gt

I don't understand why everyone was implicating Polygon in this entire debacle in the first place when it pretty much just was eagies not knowing when to stop.

he's still not stopping
Pop-O-Matic
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(03-19-2013, 10:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by OverBlood 3

Oh, this thread I saw.

With all this backlash they're getting do you reckon they'll address it somewhere like on I dunno their website polygon.com (please donate now ;_; )?

Bets on whether they'll be gracious and professional or stubborn and boring.

I think this is a sign of what direction they're going to take on this:

Ath
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(03-19-2013, 10:47 PM)
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I can't think of any newly launched gaming website that has done so much to destroy its own credibility in such a short space time. It seems like every month or two there's something new. At this point it doesn't matter to me how good some of the rest of their features are, I just cannot trust Polygon.
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(03-19-2013, 10:47 PM)
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What was Arthur Gies' reaction to Polygon posting an article that contradicts his whole stupid SimCity stance?

I'm going to guess that it wasn't "you literally do not know what you are talking about."
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(03-19-2013, 10:48 PM)
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Polygon has to be the worst site right now.
Edit: Also, I hate Crecente because he cursed me out in an email. I was a little rude too, but still fuck that guy.
Lord_Nergal
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(03-19-2013, 10:48 PM)
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Also,

plagiarize
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(03-19-2013, 10:48 PM)
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i love threads allllll about me.
jchap
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(03-19-2013, 10:49 PM)
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Twitter: forcing people to read from bottom to top since 2010
Pie and Beans
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(03-19-2013, 10:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by alr1ght

Not enough eggies discrediting the original story in the OP.

added in the original eggieiing that made this all such fun to begin with :D
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(03-19-2013, 10:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by enzo_gt

Whoa, lets not get carried away now. Then again, whatever method of repression your using is pretty effective so it's probably for the better.

Kotaku has been slowly getting better for a while now. Polygon has been this bad since they started just about.
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(03-19-2013, 10:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by plagiarize

i love threads allllll about me.

Good one.
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(03-19-2013, 10:50 PM)
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arthur gies is easily one of the most loathsome individuals on the planet
Cartman86
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(03-19-2013, 10:50 PM)
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So besides Gies tweeting that people who aren't working at Maxis don't know what they are talking about what else has he done that gets people so pissed at him? I've noticed it in the past.
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(03-19-2013, 10:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by MasterBalls

I was referring to Crecente, who used to be head writer at Kotaku. But yeah, they do seem a good deal more sleazy.

2013 Polygon is 2007 Kotaku. Plain horrible.
Fried Food
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(03-19-2013, 10:51 PM)
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wow personal attacks already, come on people.
Pie and Beans
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(03-19-2013, 10:51 PM)
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Originally Posted by border

What was Arthur Gies' reaction to Polygon posting an article that contradicts his whole stupid SimCity stance?

I'm going to guess that it wasn't "you literally do not know what you are talking about."

If you even dare trawl his twitter account you'll find the classic where he triples down on his position by stating that the "multiplayer wouldnt be available offline, so its not fair to say SimCity is playable offline". I am not actually joking (although a little paraphrasing because honestly all I see is tweet captures when my eyes close)
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(03-19-2013, 10:51 PM)
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Originally Posted by Derrick01

Kotaku has been slowly getting better for a while now. Polygon has been this bad since they started just about.

That's been the weirdest thing. I've started to actually look at Kotaku lately and they've had some really good content and Polygon who I thought would destroy everything has been on a downward slide since they actually started.
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Originally Posted by plagiarize

i love threads allllll about me.

Today is your day. Enjoy it.
SnakeswithLasers
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(03-19-2013, 10:51 PM)
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I can't think of a better way for Polygon to get press than this artillery storm of shit.
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Originally Posted by Derrick01

Kotaku has been slowly getting better for a while now. Polygon has been this bad since they started just about.

Yeah, Kotaku hasn't been nearly as bad recently. I love reading Stephen Totilo's stuff.
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(03-19-2013, 10:52 PM)
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I'm sorry, what? The fuck is going on here? Should I care?
JakkuFurosu
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(03-19-2013, 10:52 PM)
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all this twitter nonsense.

its like middle school drama for adults .
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(03-19-2013, 10:52 PM)
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Does Crecente practices magic? He sure looks like he does.

I love how he pretends that he hasnt read Walker´s interview....while re-tweeting it 3 days ago. Guy cant even lie good, now its time to follow the " Polygon Protoc of Dickery"

1. Commit act of idiocy.
2. Get called out about it.
3. Point out minority being offensive and play victim.
4.Rinse and repeat.
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(03-19-2013, 10:53 PM)
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From the news team that brought you "hey, let's stick this Halo 4 Mountain Dew ad up as news"
Tenki
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(03-19-2013, 10:53 PM)
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Someone should make a thread with all those Gies quotes.
Vexxan
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(03-19-2013, 10:53 PM)
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Someone save the McElroy brothers, they need to get away from all these shady people.
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(03-19-2013, 10:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cartman86

So besides Gies tweeting that people who aren't working at Maxis don't know what they are talking about what else has he done that gets people so pissed at him? I've noticed it in the past.

Ya, I'm curious to, since I've only ever paid attention to him or poly, their start up video sounded incredibly pretentious and was never a fan of any of the staff, so I ignored them. I only started caring when they started acting like any inside source they didnt find wasnt worth noting.
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Originally Posted by Cartman86

So besides Gies tweeting that people who aren't working at Maxis don't know what they are talking about what else has he done that gets people so pissed at him? I've noticed it in the past.

It all seems to stem from this story, which I initially heard about when people were laughing at the Press Reset trailer.
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Polygon and Gies are the reason I bought the mess that is Sim City. It's amazing how far they have fallen from the original hope and anticipation.

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