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Dragon's Crown (Vanillaware PS3/PSV) Sorceress Trailer

The giant tits neither enhance nor diminish the experience for me, they're just there, like most art in games. Same case with Bayonetta. I'm capable of looking past the character design and delving into the meat of the gameplay. Quit it with your fake indignation.

I actually wish Bayonetta looked more like the Sorceress.
 
I do find it humorous that people point out the exaggerated features of the characters (not just the Sorceress) as if they are are due to Kamitani's lack of skill when it's actually the entire point and completely intentional.

He's been doing this since forever. However somehow I don't think it matters since it appears this thread's derail was due more to the latest bandwagon hate craze than due to any real desire to create change.

It reminds me of customers who rant and rave at random grocery store clerks. They have absolutely nothing to do with the upper chain of command that is responsible for decision making in the store but the customers don't care because they seem to value releasing their morally indignant rage at anyone with a uniform over directing their complaints towards the people they should be complaining to that actually have the capability to influence decision making towards what the complaint is about.
 

Tomat

Wanna hear a good joke? Waste your time helping me! LOL!
I do find it humorous that people point out the exaggerated features of the characters (not just the Sorceress) as if they are are due to Kamitani's lack of skill when it's actually the entire point and completely intentional.
Does he handle all of the animations as well, and the artwork for the game in general?
 

Ken

Member
If people want a less exaggerated Vanillaware Sorceress they can always import GKH.



Then again that game isn't free from sexualization of characters either so there's no way people would be caught playing that out in public.
 

erpg

GAF parliamentarian
Ah, Jason. You think he's a reasonable guy when he sticks his neck out on GAF, and then he gleefully lowers discourse through Kotaku. Splendid.
 
Does he handle all of the animations as well, and the artwork for the game in general?

He's listed as the art director. Not sure about his other official positions (besides President) but he does the character designs as well.

Wikipedia's general description of an art director

Various artists may create or develop specific parts of an art piece or scene; but it is the charge of a sole art director to supervise and unify the vision. In particular, the art director is in charge of the overall visual appearance and how it communicates visually, stimulates moods, contrasts features, and psychologically appeals to a target audience. The art director makes decisions about visual elements used, what artistic style to use, and when to use motion.
One of the most difficult problems that art directors face is to translate desired moods, messages, concepts, and underdeveloped ideas into imagery. During the brainstorming process, art directors, co-workers, and clients are engaged in imagining what the finished piece or scene might look like. At times, an art director is ultimately responsible for solidifying the vision of the collective imagination while resolving conflicting agenda and inconsistencies between the various individual inputs.

Ultimately, he's responsible for everything visual at least. I imagine he has a hand in animation as well. They have 23 employees as of 2010. Assuming they have a similar number now I imagine some of them would be involved in handling visual assets. The art director has to approve everything though I believe.
 

Vibri

Banned
BUT YOU'LL MAKE ALL THE WOMYN AND WHITE KNIGHTS ANGRY


I agree completely, it's stupid and I'm honestly sick of it.

Discrimination and criminality must be minimised and ideally eliminated entirely in any industry. (A problem far more prevalent across the entire spectrum of employment, hardly just 'games').

However really talented female games professionals like Amy Hennig you won't see whining about these issues, because frankly they do not feel threatened by a diminishing lack of success.

I also know plenty of women in this industry who are actively embarrassed at the few (frankly ageing) game executives who spent decades flaunting their sexuality in the business and now are leading clueless people on some self serving campaign about how evil and bigoted all sexual content is across the entire industry.

Welcome to human nature. By the way, people also enjoy bacon.
 

Risette

A Good Citizen
I am a fan of the Japanese sentiment when it comes to making games.


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It's funny because Tomb Raider 2013 is far more offensive than pretty much any game on the issue of sexism.
 
The thing about the design is it's completely absurd. It looks like her breasts are sitting on an oven tray. Those breasts are literally impossible. Just like the guy with 8' shoulders.

I don't think so lowly of women that they wouldn't be able to make the same assessment. There's a difference between, "I don't like this because it looks stupid." and, "This was made to hurt me."
 

jdl

Banned
Also, these trailers are making me think the game is more of a more methodical, slower paced thing. which looks good to me.
 

Qvoth

Member
can't wait until kotaku gushes about how good this game is when it's released
especially when it showers praises for its "artstyle", because you know they will
i mean it's a vanillaware game

someone should link that article then
 
If people want a less exaggerated Vanillaware Sorceress they can always import GKH.



Then again that game isn't free from sexualization of characters either so there's no way people would be caught playing that out in public.
I'm still mad we didn't get this one. Real mad.
 
Do you feel embarrassed when you see large breasts in real life?
Large breasts? Nope. However, if I saw someone who looked like this in real life:

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I'd give them my condolences for having their back broken (I'm assuming I'd be seeing them in a hospital bed, or perhaps a wheelchair with steel-enforced bosom support).

It's an absolutely ludicrous character design. It's a joke. Nerd fantasy.

I'm looking at my game library right now: the women in Skyrim mostly have big breasts and cleavage and I'm fine with that. Don't get embarrassed. Because they look like real women with big breasts. I wouldn't mind at all if they were "de-sexualized" to a point, but it's not at a ludicrous level given the general sexualization of media in general (films, TV, comics, games, etc).

But this:

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Is a joke.

don't worry, you'll be an adult someday
I'm turning 30 in a few months, but yeah, I can't wait to be old enough to want to show my friends a videogame character whose tits outweigh the rest of her upper torso. Being an adult is going to be so cool.
 

Tomat

Wanna hear a good joke? Waste your time helping me! LOL!
can't wait until kotaku gushes about how good this game is when it's released
especially when it showers praises for its "artstyle", because you know they will
i mean it's a vanillaware game

someone should link that article then

I was going to mention this earlier but decided not to since Kotaku is not a single entity, but instead one made up of multiple people: There are already two articles on Kotaku by Luke Plunkett praising the look of the game's look, calling it "gorgeous."
 

Pimpbaa

Member
I'm looking at my game library right now: the women in Skyrim mostly have big breasts and cleavage and I'm fine with that. Don't get embarrassed. Because they look like real women with big breasts. I wouldn't mind at all if they were "de-sexualized" to a point, but it's not at a ludicrous level given the general sexualization of media in general (films, TV, comics, games, etc).

So you don't like this character because she doesn't look like a real woman, but you totally ignore that all the other characters have impossible proportions in some way.

I'm turning 30 in a few months, but yeah, I can't wait to be old enough to want to show my friends a videogame character whose tits outweigh the rest of her upper torso. Being an adult is going to be so cool.

Or you could just not play as that character.

edit: ugh, bitching about a game you never even heard of.
 
I don't think anybody should be embarrassed to play this game because of the breast. I could see being embarrassed if that was WHY you were playing. But if they just exist in the game and not why you're playing, then you shouldn't be embarrassed. Would you be embarrassed to watch a movie that has a pointless sex scene that was obviously there to just have sex and exposed breasts in the movie? If hope that in itself wouldn't embarrass you. I think you're allowing the breasts to be too much of the focus. It's clearly not a goal for them to sexualized the entire game, so you shouldn't look at the game that way.
 

-PXG-

Member
My wife can't wait to play this and thinks the character design is hot.

Japanese culture is not concerned with American Christian paranoia. I'm really done with this Neogaf white knight / male feminist complex shit.

Men like looking at sexy women and women like sexy men. Deal with it. The end.

Thank you

I feel people are just bitching for the sake of bitching. Creating all of this faux rage and arguments just to create a false cause to stand up for. Plus, it's just an excuse to one up others and make themselves look smart, when in reality, all they're doing is complaining about nothing at all. It's really just stupid. Big breasts? Really? Is that what people are all (alleged) up in arms about. Give me a fucking break. And to make it even more absurd, I'm sure the vast majority of people "upset" are men anyway. I love how all of a sudden, we have these internet white nights telling others what women (or any group for that matter) should be offended by. Hell, most self respecting women probably won't even care enough to think about it in the first place. It's that much of a non issue.

Every character in the game looks ridiculous. Look at Kamitani's previous work and you'll see he's notorious for this sort of stuff.

Who gives a shit?
 
Do people complaining about this not realize that Porn exists?

Or that the sports illustrated swimsuit catalog exists? Sure, Kate Upton was just 'modeling swimsuits' for a circulation of over 3 million in one of the largest male focused industry outlets in America.

The games press needs to get a grip and chill out.
 
It's an absolutely ludicrous character design. It's a joke. Nerd fantasy.

Everything about this game is 'nerd fantasy'. Its a 2D video game with magic, demons, fire-breathing dragons, chimeras, etc... Yet somehow an animated female character with disproportionately large breasts is too ludicrous for you.
 

Sage00

Once And Future Member
Thank you

I feel people are just bitching for the sake of bitching. Creating all of this faux rage and arguments just to create a false cause to stand up for. Plus, it's just an excuse to one up others and make themselves look smart, when in reality, all they're doing is complaining about nothing at all. It's really just stupid. Big breasts? Really? Is that what people are all (alleged) up in arms about. Give me a fucking break. And to make it even more absurd, I'm sure the vast majority of people "upset" are men anyway. I love how all of a sudden, we have these internet white nights telling others what women (or any group for that matter) should be offended by. Hell, most self respecting women probably won't even care enough to think about it in the first place. It's that much of a non issue.

Every character in the game looks ridiculous. Look at Kamitani's previous work and you'll see he's notorious for this sort of stuff.

Who gives a shit?
Seriously. It's like the people complaining about this have never even talked to a woman. You get the guy earlier in the thread saying that he knows exactly how every woman would react to this - ridiculous.
 

GraveRobberX

Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
Everything about this game is 'nerd fantasy'. Its a 2D video game with magic, demons, fire-breathing dragons, chimeras, etc... Yet somehow an animated female character with disproportionately large breasts is too ludicrous for you.

Mike is scared of tits, leave it be!
 

Sage00

Once And Future Member


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I'm not speaking to the author's intent. I'm speaking to how most women would interpret this. Most women would look at art of the sorceress, and see it as the statement, "Big boobs are what's desirable in women."

I don't know if that's how the artist feels. But it's what most women would probably think looking at the art. And the more they see messages like this, the more it weighs on them. Hence why so many girls get implants now.

Nothing to do with emotional instability or lack of self-confidence at all, nope. All from media conditioning. Them vidya games, I tells ye.
 

Ken

Member
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Nothing to do with emotional instability or lack of self-confidence at all, nope. All from media conditioning. Them vidya games, I tells ye.

Hopefully they do 0 marketing for the game to prevent the plague of Sorceress breast implants.
 

Salsa

Member
We play videogames.

That's not the most manly acceptable shit ever guys.

If tits embarrass you then damn near every game should really.

and in the end...who gives a shit?

Unless you are the guy at his job (which begs the question why are you gaming at work?), who cares.

You are a part of a hobby that was intended for children....you are posting on a Gaming Forum.

You are a nerd brah.

this is the worst post on NeoGAF.


edit: maybe it's sarcasm, I cant tell
 
So you don't like this character because she doesn't look like a real woman, but you totally ignore that all the other characters have impossible proportions in some way.
Are the other characters skinny guys with 10 foot cocks bursting out of their pants? I must have missed those NPC's. Maybe they came later in the video? Or are you talking about the walking skeletons or huge muscle men or any other character that doesn't come close to correlating with completely and jokingly overt over-sexualization of the witch?

But feel free to point out how the other characters have impossible proportions too. That'll definitely change some opinions in regards to the hyper-sexualization.

Or you could just not play as that character.
The video showed her as the only playable character and all of the pictoral replies in the thread were of her. If she's just one of many playable characters, that would certainly make playing the game a better experience (assuming not all character models were like hers), though it doesn't really change anything in terms of the critiques against her model.

edit: ugh, bitching about a game you never even heard of.
Oh, I'm not allowed to laugh at a character model because I hadn't heard of it before this thread? Fucking interesting rules you've got here.

Thank you

I feel people are just bitching for the sake of bitching. Creating all of this faux rage and arguments just to create a false cause to stand up for.
I'm not standing up for any cause. I don't care if games like this get made. I just won't play them and nothing at all will change.

Plus, it's just an excuse to one up others and make themselves look smart, when in reality, all they're doing is complaining about nothing at all. It's really just stupid. Big breasts? Really? Is that what people are all (alleged) up in arms about. Give me a fucking break. And to make it even more absurd, I'm sure the vast majority of people "upset" are men anyway. I love how all of a sudden, we have these internet white nights telling others what women (or any group for that matter) should be offended by. Hell, most self respecting women probably won't even care enough to think about it in the first place. It's that much of a non issue.
You're painting a broaaaaaaaad stroke there, bud. There are definitely white knights on GAF and feminism + videogames has become a hot button topic over the past month or two, but some of us just want to laugh and roll our eyes at the ridiculousness of that fucking witch.
 

Fusebox

Banned
Everything about this game is 'nerd fantasy'. Its a 2D video game with magic, demons, fire-breathing dragons, chimeras, etc... Yet somehow an animated female character with disproportionately large breasts is too ludicrous for you.

Dragons are watching the video and goin, 'Do they really think our tails are that big? That's just obscene, I don't need a big tail to feel complete'.
 

Tomat

Wanna hear a good joke? Waste your time helping me! LOL!
It's okay for someone to be completely turned away from a game based on it's art design. I try not to do it, but it happens sometimes. The problem arises when people start saying "This looks ridiculous, why are here boobs that big, this shouldn't be made or enjoy by anyone ever."

I would need to read through the thread again to see if anyone in here said something along the lines of that, but I've seen the argument used on the internet before.
 

Risette

A Good Citizen
The video showed her as the only playable character and all of the pictoral replies in the thread were of her. If she's just one of many playable characters, that would certainly make playing the game a better experience (assuming not all character models were like hers), though it doesn't really change anything in terms of the critiques against her model.
the title pretty much says that it's a character specific trailer i dunno
 

Salsa

Member
Really?

What's wrong about it?

everything

I play videogames = I shouldnt be offended by ridiculous oversexualized shit because "LOL GAMES = KIDS" and because who gives a shit right? I play videogames so im a nerd so I should like this or totally accept it and im not entitled to complain

since I play videogames im not entitled to complaint about anything because im already doing embarrasing shit


do people who play games like hate themselves or something? that comment seems condescending as fuck. "Im already an idiot for doing this crap so might as well"


how does that argument hold even the slightest lick of sense

not to quote mugatu but I feel like im taking fucking crazy pills
 

GraveRobberX

Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
I'm not standing up for any cause. I don't care if games like this get made. I just won't play them and nothing at all will change.

Then what are you doing in this thread still?

Trolling for Trolling sakes

I don't like it, I hate it, I won't play it, but here's my 2 cents about it!, cause somehow my opinion is valid on a fucking trailer that is showing off the classes of the game

Jesus Mike now I know why Evilore de-modded your ass
 
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