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Dragon's Crown (Vanillaware PS3/PSV) Sorceress Trailer

Roubjon

Member
However, if the Senran Kagura OT managed to avoid being completely derailed, I have a feeling Dragon's Crown's will be fine.

Senran Kagura's OT was mostly fine probably because not many people were interested in it. They didn't bother even checking it out because its easy to dismiss it as a big boob Japanese game and leave. There isn't much to say there. I get the feeling that a lot of peeps are watching this trailer because the game looks genuinely interesting, but once they see the Sorceress in action they don't like it and become disappointed. It's what triggers them to comment about the game in the first place.
 

Tomat

Wanna hear a good joke? Waste your time helping me! LOL!
Every bit as much.
Well that sucks. I'm not a graphics whore, but it'd suck to have to compromise on this game's art just for the sake of getting it on another console. Guess it doesn't help that I'm looking at it from a 3DS XL perspective. When you've got two different 3DS's out there that run with different screen sizes, that's probably another thing they would have to consider.
edit: meh, nevermind.
Your post was correct, you should repost what you said.
 
I suspect most people who find this game embarrassing feel so because they think others will think the breasts are why they play the game. I say don't bother trying to control people's perception. Let them think what they want.
 

Sage00

Once And Future Member
I suspect most people who find this game embarrassing feel so because they think others will think the breasts are why you play the game. I say don't bother trying to control people's perception. Let them think what they want.
I truly do worry about the company some people keep and their level of self-confidence if that's ever a legitimate concern.
 
Well that sucks. I'm not a graphics whore, but it'd suck to have to compromise on this game's art just for the sake of getting it on another console. Guess it doesn't help that I'm looking at it from a 3DS XL perspective. When you've got two different 3DS's out there that run with different screen sizes, that's probably another thing they would have to consider.

Your post was correct, you should repost what you said.
XL has the exact same resolution. It's just stretched larger. It would just look more pixilated on XL.
 

Pimpbaa

Member
I get the feeling that a lot of peeps are watching this trailer because the game looks genuinely interesting, but once they see the Sorceress in action they don't like it and become disappointed.

Yeah but this game almost has a character for everyone.
 
Well that sucks. I'm not a graphics whore, but it'd suck to have to compromise on this game's art just for the sake of getting it on another console. Guess it doesn't help that I'm looking at it from a 3DS XL perspective. When you've got two different 3DS's out there that run with different screen sizes, that's probably another thing they would have to consider.

Tomat, take the plunge!

It's not like you play your 3DS games right? :p
 

Arklite

Member
Well that sucks. I'm not a graphics whore, but it'd suck to have to compromise on this game's art just for the sake of getting it on another console. Guess it doesn't help that I'm looking at it from a 3DS XL perspective. When you've got two different 3DS's out there that run with different screen sizes, that's probably another thing they would have to consider.

There's a somewhat similar game called Princess Crown on 3DS, not sure if it has multiplayer. It's sprite based and has its own voluptuous female. Been meaning to check it out myself.

As for Dragon's Crown, I hope there's a lot of variety in enemies and levels. Odin Sphere, despite having several playable characters, got extremely repetitive very quickly.
 

Tomat

Wanna hear a good joke? Waste your time helping me! LOL!
I've been all over Monster Hunter when school work permits, haha. I'm bad about playing new things, but I've put quite a bit of time into the 3DS so far. The Vita would be a BIG maybe for me, but the PS3 on the other hand is really tempting. Wanted one of those for a while now.
 

Lord Panda

The Sea is Always Right
I just think that the sorceress' design looks stupid. If her breasts weren't so ever the top, then she'd actually look half decent. In her current form, she simply looks absurd.

Oh well I'm not the target market so carry on.
 
I've been all over Monster Hunter when school work permits, haha. I'm bad about playing new things, but I've put quite a bit of time into the 3DS so far. The Vita would be a BIG maybe for me, but the PS3 on the other hand is really tempting. Wanted one of those for a while now.

Well PS3's are a lot cheaper now. Plus it has more games since it's been out longer than the Vita.

I'm probably going to end up getting DC for the PS3.
 

Salsa

Member
i'll leave y'all with this, and im not trying to judge

I think that people arguing about peeps coming in her to complain about the ridiculous boobage, saying people should be talking about the game and the mechanics and etc etc

only to then have a break where the thread turns into people asking for links to porn featuring one of the characters

welp I dont think you have a lot of ground there

it's all good with people being into that stuff, but it kinda nullifies that previous argument (wich, btw, im not trying to say everyone was using)


have fun, game looks cool. Too bad about you know
 

xelios

Universal Access can be found under System Preferences
Try not to trip over the gigantic tits on the way out.

Truly sage advice.

I'm gonna have to look up this doujin now. Thanks curiosity.

Edit: LOL! That was fun. Pretty much as disturbing as I expected.
 
i'll leave y'all with this, and im not trying to judge

I think that people arguing about peeps coming in her to complain about the ridiculous boobage, saying people should be talking about the game and the mechanics and etc etc

only to then have a break where the thread turns into people asking for links to porn featuring one of the characters

welp I dont think you have a lot of ground there

it's all good with people being into that stuff, but it kinda nullifies that previous argument (wich, btw, im not trying to say everyone was using)


have fun, game looks cool. Too bad about you know

in my defense, the doujin is awesome
 

Nouzka

Member
I wonder what the offended people did think about WWE All-Stars, a game which has exaggerated male bodies.
wwe_all_stars_screenshot_2.jpg
Like was there same kinda outrage? IIRC there were people who didn't like the style game had but it wasn't anything like this game.
 
It oozes with Vanillaware's signature art style. It's really beautiful, but I'm not too crazy about some of the character designs.
 
I defend this game, but I don't even like the Sorceress/Amazon design


not because I don't like them am I going to bash them to death, Elf for life
 

Sage00

Once And Future Member
I wonder what the offended people did think about WWE All-Stars, a game which has exaggerated male bodies.
Like was there same kinda outrage? IIRC there were people who didn't like the style game had but it wasn't anything like this game.
Those aren't really sexualised images. Regardless, there's a bit of male privilege which prevents most people from reacting to that kind of thing anyway.

Women historically have been subject to gross objectification and disempowerment until quite recently which is why people are hypersensitive about any overtly sexualised women in media. They wrongly make false assumptions about those consuming them, relating them to their former and current oppressors. After all, someone who draws women with huge boobs must view all women who don't as inferior, right? It's this sort of complex that fuels these arguments.
 

jdl

Banned
Those aren't really sexualised images. Regardless, there's a bit of male privilege which prevents most people from reacting to that kind of thing anyway.

Women historically have been subject to gross objectification and disempowerment until quite recently which is why people are hypersensitive about any overtly sexualised women in media. They wrongly make false assumptions about those consuming them, relating them to their former and current oppressors. After all, someone who draws women with huge boobs must view all women who don't as inferior, right? It's this sort of complex that fuels these arguments.

now if only we could transplant that noble thinking to a larger cause.
 
the OT would eventually be moved to community where people who arent actively looking for the game probably wont come across it

That's true.


You've probably noticed by now but consistency isn't my strong point. I apologize for any vitriol that may have came through in my previous posts. It's just that I sometimes see threads deviate from their original topic like this one and wonder what will have been accomplished in the end.

I'm not trying to say that your views are invalid, merely that the thread took an unfortunate turn and I really believe that both sides can do more to accommodate each other without becoming hostile.

Senran Kagura's OT was mostly fine probably because not many people were interested in it. They didn't bother even checking it out because its easy to dismiss it as a big boob Japanese game and leave. There isn't much to say there. I get the feeling that a lot of peeps are watching this trailer because the game looks genuinely interesting, but once they see the Sorceress in action they don't like it and become disappointed. It's what triggers them to comment about the game in the first place.

I think your explanation sums up the cause of the reactions nicely.
 
i'll leave y'all with this, and im not trying to judge

I think that people arguing about peeps coming in her to complain about the ridiculous boobage, saying people should be talking about the game and the mechanics and etc etc

only to then have a break where the thread turns into people asking for links to porn featuring one of the characters

welp I dont think you have a lot of ground there

it's all good with people being into that stuff, but it kinda nullifies that previous argument (wich, btw, im not trying to say everyone was using)


have fun, game looks cool. Too bad about you know
Hah, couldn't help laughing at that like a middle school kid.
 
Disclaimer: If you're not interested in this whole sexualization/exploitation discussion, feel free to skip past this post and continue to discuss other aspects of the game or the trailer. I'm purely responding to those who have quoted me or discussed my position on the matter. No one is keeping you from looking forward to this game.


Well if you had seen the fucking game before at least you would see how this game has odd proportions for all the characters (and it seems you still haven't looked at the other characters). Hell, all Vanillaware games are like that. You seen one fucking character (that you don't have to play as) and deemed the game trash.
I'll jump right to the issue here: I have no problem with unique character designs, oddly proportioned characters, etc. And I'm pretty sure I did see the other character designs in the opening of the trailer. Some huge muscular woman in a bikini, a dude with enormous chest/armor, etc. And this is going to speak to later points on the sexualization of the men in this game:

I see a clear distinction in terms of sexual exploitation between a man's arms and a woman's breasts.

So when you say Sure she has ridiculously oversized breasts that bounce up and down even in her idle animation, but that guy has big arms! I don't see that as 1:1 in terms of sexual exploitation. Which is the key issue I've focused on right from the beginning.

Why do the guys all have to be so muscley? I'm not speaking to the author's intent. I'm speaking to how most men would interpret this. Most men would look at art of the dwarf, and see it as the statement, "Big muscles are what's desirable in men."

But no, we had to turn into a gender war, one set of rules for the men and another for the women. Why do you hate equality Mike?
I understand if some of you are overly defensive perhaps because you've had your Dragon's Crown threads "derailed" in the past, but I'll point out that Fusebox's final sentence in the post I just quoted is just one of multiple times that people have made gross assumptions about the type of person I am merely because I don't like the character design of a woman with breasts the size of weather balloons and a waist like a lamp post. So evidently I hate equality now.

I don't hate equality and I'll reiterate that while overly-muscular men can certainly be perceived as an increased sexualization of said characters, I would not put it on the level as breasts.

Yet this thread has blown up due to White Knights who are either pussy whipped, ashamed to play their hobby in public or view by the family/peers playing this, or the new breed who magically speak on behalf of woman, because they both have the same things in common, a vagina between their legs
More labels and assumptions. I must be either pussy whipped (nope), ashamed to play my hobby in public (nope, I play games with my girlfriend, my brother, and my friends whenever they're over), or a "new breed who magically speak on behalf of woman because they both have a vagina between their legs". I'm speaking on behalf of myself and myself only when I say the character design is a joke, much akin to your level of discourse.

Mike, if you care to actually learn more about this game instead of just one character, please do so. You've got google and it will point you towards all sorts of info.

If you care to only incessantly criticize this one part of the game with blindfolds about everything else, why bother doing what you are doing? Yes, the game has a ridiculously overly-sexualized character. Maybe you really hate the idea of women being portrayed as ridiculously sexualized or something. If that's your thing, then fine. If that stuff embarrasses you immediately and you have no will to look past it or even the context of it, then why bother continuing to express your opinion on it when it's so clear? There is stuff in video games that I too would write off the entire game from one small part. But if I found it, I wouldn't constantly express how embarrassing I find it and be unwilling to look at the game as a whole. I'd either challenge my perception or just leave it be.
I've already stated that I bear few qualms with over-sexualization in videogames in general. I don't have much interest in those feminism debates that have popped up in the gaming forum recently, and I've never actually stopped myself from buying or enjoying a game because of scantily-clad male or female characters. From what I can tell, this witch is one character of many, but she is still a main playable character - important enough to get her own character trailer. Do you have to play as her? No. But my initial comment was geared toward playing as her, as seen in that trailer, and my subsequent comments clarified my position. As for your following points, I've posted about this game literally three times tonight and ever. I understand the desire to avoid a circular argument, but if people are wanting to address certain claims and issues with me, I'm happy to discuss those with them.

As I suspected.

This sexualized, exaggerated style doesn't appeal to you, so you conclude it must be morally wrong. Because clearly appealing to you is a moral obligation.
Yet another gross assumption: I have apparently deemed the witch's character model "morally wrong". Where can you find this assertion? No where, because it doesn't exist.

But if had been sexualized in a way that did appeal to you (and to more people overall, lots of people think the exaggeration goes too far to be appealing) then you would be, and I quote, "fine with that."

So essentially, if the artist pandered to you by abandoning their vision and making the character standard sexy for a wider audience, you'd be all for it. But by sticking to their vision and using exaggeration that some find off-putting, you call that pandering.
You want to hear something perhaps unexpected? I would be totally okay with the witch character design IF there was a main male character with a normal, maybe somewhat skinny frame, and a huge, floppy penis bulging out of his pants. The artists could animate his veins bulging through the denim. That'd be something, huh? Actually, that'd be more than something: it would be consistent.

You and others have claimed that the artist is simply following his style of human (figure) exaggeration, and yet why are the men only "sexualized" with big arms, yet this witch figure is given huge tits pouring out of her top while she rubs a staff in between her ass cheeks? I don't see that as being on par.

Mike turns off Mad Men whenever Christina Hendricks comes onto the screen.

Which coincidentally is about the same time I come onto the screen.

*boom-tish*
If Christina Hendricks came onto screen with that waist, she'd fall the fuck over. And Roger would probably say something funny. So no, I wouldn't turn the show off for that.

Feminist parent upbringing? Insecure girlfriend? Lack of sex drive?
Gross assumption, gross assumption, gross assumption.

Do you guys notice how I haven't made any about you? Do you know how amazingly easy it would be, given the nature and content of this game?

Discuss the topic, not the person.

I suspect most people who find this game embarrassing feel so because they think others will think the breasts are why they play the game. I say don't bother trying to control people's perception. Let them think what they want.
I'm fine playing whatever kind of game I want in front of anyone. I got ridiculed for playing Gitaroo Man in front of my friends when I was younger (jokes on them though, that game was fucking gold). I don't care what people think about me and the games I play (granted these days it's just been Bethesda games and NHL for the most part).

I appreciate that there must be a level of frustration having people come in and comment solely on a character model in a negative light, but for all of this alleged "distraction" these complaints are causing, I point to you another set of posters who also came in this thread to talk about her tits and sexualization:

Game looks cool. Her breasts could be bigger though.
+1 for bigger breasts. Who give a damn at this point, just go all out.
Glad I'm not the only one that caught dat walk
She should wrap the enemies in her happy boobs.
Wow at them tig ol bitties. Makes DOA girls look almost moderate.

Not sure if I'll get it on Vita or PS3. . .
I want to be a sorceress, I want to have big boobs.
The most impressive magic she has is the magic she's using to keep that top attached to her breasts.
Bigger then her head, her stomach. LOL dat proportion
I can spot a good couple of reasons why she'll end up being my favourite character.
Well, she does look fun to play lol.
58 seconds of boobs.
I LOVE the exaggerated proporitons. Sorceress looks like a flirt, Knight looks like he is on steroids, Amazon looks like she could deadlift an elephant. They look like there roles.
This is giving me a video game boner
So you'll have to forgive me if I don't feel any guilt for "detracting" from this thread's course and focus. Look at where it started.

Bottom line, the character looks fucking stupid to me. And that's okay. Others like her. That's okay too. Big arms do not equal big tits. Bring in the dicks. Let's sexualize the fuck out of everything.

My two cents.
 

QisTopTier

XisBannedTier
Bottom line, the character looks fucking stupid to me. And that's okay. Others like her. That's okay too. Big arms do not equal big tits. Bring in the dicks. Let's sexualize the fuck out of everything.

My two cents.

Tits are not equal to dicks on sexualization levels. This is dumb. Ask girls/women things they find hot and sexy on a guy. Dick isn't really gonna be anywhere on the top of the list.

If you seriously think that. I really don't know what to say.

and seriously look at the 3 female characters and look at the 3 male characters. They are all extremes of a certain tropes. The Sorcs male counterpart is the Knight btw not the Dwarf.

 
Tits are not equal to dicks on sexualization levels. This is dumb. Ask girls/women things they find hot and sexy on a guy. Dick isn't really gonna be anywhere on the top of the list.

If you seriously think that. I really don't know what to say.

I've had conversations with girls on this subject and yes, it does matter, and yes, it is on the list. Jon Hamm's junk was a big talking point with my female friends at work when these shots were going about.

Oh and there's this little study that says you're full of it too.

You aren't a girl. If you really think you're speaking for them, I don't know what to say.
 

Fusebox

Banned
Okay so in order to settle this we need to see the Knights junk. Is there anyone who here who thinks he isn't already packing a two-handed broadsword under his codpiece?

I mean seriously, his shoulders are as broad as he is tall, the guy probably has a third leg.
 

QisTopTier

XisBannedTier
I've had conversations with girls on this subject and yes, it does matter, and yes, it is on the list. Jon Hamm's junk was a big talking point with my female friends at work when these shots were going about.

Oh and there's this little study that says you're full of it too.

You aren't a girl. If you really think you're speaking for them, I don't know what to say.

That study doesnt prove me wrong at all, I never said it's a non-factor and no dick is not = to tits.
 

Jobbs

Banned
The graphic quality is so nice, but wow are most of the character designs just obnoxiously horrible and ridiculous.

I have no problem with sexy girls in games, I don't care if they dress sexy, but the proportions on some of the women in VW's games are just absurd. It does not appeal to me. In fact, I find it gross. I don't know who it's for. Who is this FOR? Who sees that and goes "that looks like a woman. and I like it."

Muramasa Rebirth comes to Vita soon, and that has main characters that are actually well designed (granted, some of the npcs have silly designs, but at least the main characters look good).

That's the one to get. What a beautiful game.

I've had conversations with girls on this subject and yes, it does matter, and yes, it is on the list. Jon Hamm's junk was a big talking point with my female friends at work when these shots were going about.

Oh and there's this little study that says you're full of it too.

I'm surprised anyone needs a study to know that penis size matters to women. And while I can't 100% confirm this, I also think gay guys prefer bigger penises as well. It's a sign of virility or some such. You don't need studies for this stuff.
 

Lime

Member
So people point out that they have a problem with the character design and all the followers of the game continue to be overly defensive including personal attacks and when the discussion dies down some of the followers link porn to each other about said character. It makes it kind of weird that people are so defensive when for some it actually is about stroking their penis (or vagina if any LB's are out there).

This is more of a call for better behaviour and discussion than the "lol feminazi" or "maybe he's just afraid of tits" or "you haven't played it so you don't know anything" or "shut up and don't play the game" etc.

Okay so in order to settle this we need to see the Knights junk. Is there anyone who here who thinks he isn't already packing a two-handed broadsword under his codpiece?

I mean seriously, his shoulders are as broad as he is tall, the guy probably has a third leg.

Maybe this should work (although the dick should be so big that it's practically bulging out over the underwear like the Sorceress' breasts)

speedos-2t6uqw.jpg


Imagine if an anime version of this was in the game - can't people see the ridiculousness of it?
 

Fusebox

Banned
Maybe this should work (although the dick should be so big that it's practically bulging out over the underwear like the Sorceress' breasts)



Imagine if an anime version of this was in the game - can't people see the ridiculousness of it?

What's so ridiculous about that? That's what my body looks like and my dick does bulge out of my underwear but it still doesn't answer the question about the Knight.

If the Knight has a gigantic dick under his armour (and all signs point to the affirmative) then the Sorceress and her overflowing bosom must be acceptable by comparison.
 
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