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Tomcat
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(04-25-2013, 03:41 PM)
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Nothing groundbreaking info but interesting nonetheless

Early announce. The initial reveal date was pushed back from April 24 to May 21 so that Microsoft could better position the device against the PlayStation 4, which Sony announced in late February.

Full (end user) announce. Microsoft will fully reveal details about the next Xbox, including the launch lineup of games, on the eve of the E3 tradeshow in early June 2013.

Developer announce?
It appears that Microsoft will discuss the next Xbox developer platform at the Build conference in San Francisco in late June, based on clues on the Build web site.

Launch. The next Xbox will launch in early November 2013.

Windows 8 Core. The next Xbox is based on the "Core" (base) version of Windows 8. This suggests a common apps platform or at least one that is similar to that used by Windows 8, and further than Microsoft could open up this platform to enthusiast developers. (That last bit is supposition on my part.)

Price. Microsoft will initially offer two pricing models for the console, offering a standalone version for $499 and then a $299 version that requires a two-year Xbox LIVE Gold commitment at an expected price of $10 per month.

No entertainment box. Microsoft originally planned to offer both a “full” version of the next Xbox (with video game playing capabilities) and a lower-end entertainment-oriented version, codenamed “Yuma,” that did not provide video gaming capabilities. But plans for Yuma are on hold and no pure entertainment version of the next Xbox will appear in 2013 (or possibly ever).

Blu-ray
. The next Xbox will include a Blu-ray optical drive.

Internet-connected. The next Xbox must be internet-connected to use. This is source of the “always on”/“always online” rumors and isn’t as Draconian as many seem to believe.

Another Xbox 360. Microsoft will also deliver a third generation Xbox 360 console this year that will be significantly less expensive than the current models. The new 360 is codenamed “Stingray,” but it’s not clear if this device is required because the next Xbox isn’t backwards compatible, or because Microsoft simply wants a low-cost entertainment box alternative. (A third possibility, and to be clear these possible reasons are all speculative: The 360 simply has life left in it and with dwindling component prices in the 8 years since the original launch, the firm can still make money selling such a device.)


http://windowsitpro.com/paul-thurrot...inInfo+News%29

Update:

Originally Posted by abadguy

Last edited by Nirolak; 04-25-2013 at 04:28 PM.
Reiko
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(04-25-2013, 03:42 PM)
No entertainment box is good news if true.

Gaming should always come first.
Napalm_Frank
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(04-25-2013, 03:43 PM)
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Early announce. The initial reveal date was pushed back from April 24 to May 21 so that Microsoft could better position the device against the PlayStation 4, which Sony announced in late February.

So they DID change plans because of Sony ;)
Nero3000
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(04-25-2013, 03:43 PM)
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http://windowsitpro.com/paul-thurrot...inInfo+News%29

Here’s what I know about the next Xbox (along with some clearly-identified conjecture).

Early announce. The initial reveal date was pushed back from April 24 to May 21 so that Microsoft could better position the device against the PlayStation 4, which Sony announced in late February.

Full (end user) announce. Microsoft will fully reveal details about the next Xbox, including the launch lineup of games, on the eve of the E3 tradeshow in early June 2013.

Developer announce? It appears that Microsoft will discuss the next Xbox developer platform at the Build conference in San Francisco in late June, based on clues on the Build web site.

Launch. The next Xbox will launch in early November 2013.

Windows 8 Core. The next Xbox is based on the "Core" (base) version of Windows 8. This suggests a common apps platform or at least one that is similar to that used by Windows 8, and further than Microsoft could open up this platform to enthusiast developers. (That last bit is supposition on my part.)

Price. Microsoft will initially offer two pricing models for the console, offering a standalone version for $499 and then a $299 version that requires a two-year Xbox LIVE Gold commitment at an expected price of $10 per month.

No entertainment box. Microsoft originally planned to offer both a “full” version of the next Xbox (with video game playing capabilities) and a lower-end entertainment-oriented version, codenamed “Yuma,” that did not provide video gaming capabilities. But plans for Yuma are on hold and no pure entertainment version of the next Xbox will appear in 2013 (or possibly ever).

Blu-ray. The next Xbox will include a Blu-ray optical drive.

Internet-connected. The next Xbox must be internet-connected to use. This is source of the “always on”/“always online” rumors and isn’t as Draconian as many seem to believe.

Another Xbox 360. Microsoft will also deliver a third generation Xbox 360 console this year that will be significantly less expensive than the current models. The new 360 is codenamed “Stingray,” but it’s not clear if this device is required because the next Xbox isn’t backwards compatible, or because Microsoft simply wants a low-cost entertainment box alternative. (A third possibility, and to be clear these possible reasons are all speculative: The 360 simply has life left in it and with dwindling component prices in the 8 years since the original launch, the firm can still make money selling such a device.)

jond76
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(04-25-2013, 03:44 PM)
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Excellent.
RPGamer92
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(04-25-2013, 03:44 PM)
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I personally don't see Microsoft pushing gaming over multimedia for the next box.
fastford58
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Internet-connected. The next Xbox must be internet-connected to use. This is source of the “always on”/“always online” rumors and isn’t as Draconian as many seem to believe.

Keep telling yourself that.
Cidd
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(04-25-2013, 03:44 PM)
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Originally Posted by Napalm_Frank

So they DID change plans because of Sony ;)

That stood out to me also, now the real question is, Is that a good or bad sign.
Last edited by Cidd; 04-25-2013 at 03:49 PM.
FluxWaveZ
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(04-25-2013, 03:44 PM)
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Originally Posted by Tomcat

Price. Microsoft will initially offer two pricing models for the console, offering a standalone version for $499 and then a $299 version that requires a two-year Xbox LIVE Gold commitment at an expected price of $10 per month.

Most likely just a XBL Gold price for the subsidized console, but it would be interesting if they actually increased the cost of XBL Gold for the Durango.

Originally Posted by Napalm_Frank

So they DID change plans because of Sony ;)

I feel that saying nothing changed on their end because of the PS4 reveal is unreasonable. Of course their strategy changed, however minor these changes were.
The Omega Man
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(04-25-2013, 03:44 PM)
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looks good, I still think MS is going to surprise all the pessimists around here and it's going to show a very powerful console (as powerful or even more than the PS4) and a lot of awesome games.
Don't count them out just yet!
Reiko
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(04-25-2013, 03:45 PM)

Originally Posted by PSFan

I personally don't see Microsoft pushing gaming over multimedia for the next box.

For launch you need to pull in the core to drive sales. Multimedia and gimmicks come later.
Kame
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(04-25-2013, 03:45 PM)
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Ehh....

Meh...


Heh...

What is this shit Microsoft?
Last edited by Kame; 04-25-2013 at 04:11 PM.
Nirolak
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(04-25-2013, 03:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by FluxWaveZ

Most likely just a XBL Gold price for the subsidized console, but it would be interesting if they actually increased the cost of XBL Gold for the Durango.

I suspect the price for Gold will stay the same, but they might offer something like Platinum for cable services or extra entertainment features that would raise the Gold price too much.
darkside31337
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(04-25-2013, 03:45 PM)
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That subsidized cost makes no sense. It's going to end up being a lot higher than that by the end of the contract. Maybe a 2 year XBL Platinum service.

edit: I meant that its going to cost more than the $50 difference over 2 years.
Last edited by darkside31337; 04-25-2013 at 03:48 PM.
DaBuddaDa
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(04-25-2013, 03:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by Tomcat

Internet-connected. The next Xbox must be internet-connected to use. This is source of the “always on”/“always online” rumors and isn’t as Draconian as many seem to believe.

This makes no sense. "Must be internet-connected to use" is pretty explicit. It is what it is. There is no more or less "draconian" version of it. You either have to be connected or you don't have to be connected.
Tummi Gummi
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(04-25-2013, 03:45 PM)
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Internet-connected. The next Xbox must be internet-connected to use. This is source of the “always on”/“always online” rumors and isn’t as Draconian as many seem to believe.

What does that even mean?
Confidence Man
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(04-25-2013, 03:45 PM)
What part of "must be internet-connected to use" isn't Draconian?
Glass Rebel
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(04-25-2013, 03:45 PM)
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Internet-connected. The next Xbox must be internet-connected to use. This is source of the “always on”/“always online” rumors and isn’t as Draconian as many seem to believe

what am I even reading
fastford58
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(04-25-2013, 03:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by darkside31337

That subsidized cost makes no sense. It's going to end up being a lot higher than that by the end of the contract. Maybe a 2 year XBL Platinum service.

That's how it works.
Kyoufu
(04-25-2013, 03:46 PM)
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How can that not be Draconian?
Winterfang
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(04-25-2013, 03:46 PM)
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I'm very hyped.
Tamanon
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(04-25-2013, 03:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by darkside31337

That subsidized cost makes no sense. It's going to end up being a lot higher than that by the end of the contract. Maybe a 2 year XBL Platinum service.

That's kinda how subsidized costs work.
DopeyFish
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(04-25-2013, 03:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by DaBuddaDa

This makes no sense. "Must be internet-connected to use" is pretty explicit. It is what it is. There is no more or less "draconian" version of it.

Internet required to use

Just not required to use all the time?
darkside31337
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(04-25-2013, 03:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by fastford58

That's how it works.

No I mean the total cost is going to be a lot more than $300 + $249.

It really doesnt make any sense for MS considering most people who get the $500 720 are going to have XBL as well.
Nirolak
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Originally Posted by darkside31337

That subsidized cost makes no sense. It's going to end up being a lot higher than that by the end of the contract. Maybe a 2 year XBL Platinum service.

That's how electronics financing works.

You pay less up front, but more in the end.
Aquamarine
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(04-25-2013, 03:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by Tomcat

Nothing groundbreaking info but interesting nonetheless

Early announce. The initial reveal date was pushed back from April 24 to May 21 so that Microsoft could better position the device against the PlayStation 4, which Sony announced in late February.

Full (end user) announce. Microsoft will fully reveal details about the next Xbox, including the launch lineup of games, on the eve of the E3 tradeshow in early June 2013.

Developer announce?
It appears that Microsoft will discuss the next Xbox developer platform at the Build conference in San Francisco in late June, based on clues on the Build web site.

Launch. The next Xbox will launch in early November 2013.

Windows 8 Core. The next Xbox is based on the "Core" (base) version of Windows 8. This suggests a common apps platform or at least one that is similar to that used by Windows 8, and further than Microsoft could open up this platform to enthusiast developers. (That last bit is supposition on my part.)

Price. Microsoft will initially offer two pricing models for the console, offering a standalone version for $499 and then a $299 version that requires a two-year Xbox LIVE Gold commitment at an expected price of $10 per month.

No entertainment box. Microsoft originally planned to offer both a “full” version of the next Xbox (with video game playing capabilities) and a lower-end entertainment-oriented version, codenamed “Yuma,” that did not provide video gaming capabilities. But plans for Yuma are on hold and no pure entertainment version of the next Xbox will appear in 2013 (or possibly ever).

Blu-ray
. The next Xbox will include a Blu-ray optical drive.

Internet-connected. The next Xbox must be internet-connected to use. This is source of the “always on”/“always online” rumors and isn’t as Draconian as many seem to believe.

Another Xbox 360. Microsoft will also deliver a third generation Xbox 360 console this year that will be significantly less expensive than the current models. The new 360 is codenamed “Stingray,” but it’s not clear if this device is required because the next Xbox isn’t backwards compatible, or because Microsoft simply wants a low-cost entertainment box alternative. (A third possibility, and to be clear these possible reasons are all speculative: The 360 simply has life left in it and with dwindling component prices in the 8 years since the original launch, the firm can still make money selling such a device.)


http://windowsitpro.com/paul-thurrot...inInfo+News%29


Mr. Thurrott is one of the few insiders we can 100% trust here.
Sidewinder
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(04-25-2013, 03:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by Tomcat

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Internet-connected. The next Xbox must be internet-connected to use. This is source of the “always on”/“always online” rumors and isn’t as Draconian as many seem to believe.

What's not draconian about that?? No internet = no Xbox Infinity or are my reading skills broken?
Relaxed Muscle
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(04-25-2013, 03:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by Tummi Gummi

What does that even mean?

30 minutes of off-line play instead of 3 minutes. Not as draconian right?
Mikey Jr.
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(04-25-2013, 03:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by Tummi Gummi

What does that even mean?

Maybe internet to "register" the game, no online after that to play it?
farisr
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(04-25-2013, 03:48 PM)
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Internet-connected. The next Xbox must be internet-connected to use. This is source of the “always on”/“always online” rumors and isn’t as Draconian as many seem to believe.

LOL.
fastford58
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(04-25-2013, 03:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sidewinder

What's not draconian about that?? No internet = no Xbox Infinity or are my reading skills broken?

Seems pretty explicit...and count me the fuck out if that is the case.
jbug617
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(04-25-2013, 03:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sidewinder

What's not draconian about that?? No internet = no Xbox Infinity or are my reading skills broken?

My guess you can still play games offline.
DaBuddaDa
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(04-25-2013, 03:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by jbug617

My guess you can still play games offline.

If so, then "the next Xbox must be internet-connected to use" is a false statement.
Alucrid
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(04-25-2013, 03:49 PM)
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499 seems high
SniperHunter
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sounds great!
fastford58
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Originally Posted by jbug617

My guess you can still play games offline.

But can't start the console without a connection? What is it? You can't have it both ways all at once.
Aquamarine
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(04-25-2013, 03:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by jbug617

My guess you can still play games offline.

"Not as draconian" implies that, at the very least, there will be a timer in case your connection resets before the game outright stops working.
ClovingWestbrook
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(04-25-2013, 03:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by darkside31337

That subsidized cost makes no sense. It's going to end up being a lot higher than that by the end of the contract. Maybe a 2 year XBL Platinum service.

Just as the current Xbox subsidized ends up being more expensive? Just as rent a shops do the same? Thats the point, people will buy it because it SOUNDS cheaper and in the end MS benefits.
Elginer
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(04-25-2013, 03:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by Napalm_Frank

So they DID change plans because of Sony ;)

Yep. This not so draconian thing is interesting. But how...
Also would love to see where Sony comes in at price wise.
operon
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(04-25-2013, 03:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by jbug617

My guess you can still play games offline.

perhaps you need the game in the drive for offline play, but if connected to xbox live you don't
statham
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(04-25-2013, 03:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by Tomcat

Nothing groundbreaking info but interesting nonetheless

Price. Microsoft will initially offer two pricing models for the console, offering a standalone version for $499 and then a $299 version that requires a two-year Xbox LIVE Gold commitment at an expected price of $10 per month.

http://windowsitpro.com/paul-thurrot...inInfo+News%29

This is false. $499+2 years of live @ $60/yr is $620
@ $299 plus 2 years @ $9.99 month is $540

noway is the $299 version cheaper in the long run.
Muchi Muchi Pink
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(04-25-2013, 03:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by DaBuddaDa

If so, then "the next Xbox must be internet-connected to use" is a false statement.

Exactly.
Hix
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(04-25-2013, 03:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by DaBuddaDa

If so, then "The next Xbox must be internet-connected to use" is a false statement.

It should be fairly obvious that there's a lot more to the Next Xbox than games.
Reiko
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(04-25-2013, 03:49 PM)

Originally Posted by DaBuddaDa

If so, then "the next Xbox must be internet-connected to use" is a false statement.

Probably to register it.
DopeyFish
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(04-25-2013, 03:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by DaBuddaDa

If so, then "the next Xbox must be internet-connected to use" is a false statement.

Well... That statement isn't false if you first turn it on and asks for an Internet connection
BlackFlip
(04-25-2013, 03:50 PM)
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I wonder how he thinks 'must be connected' isn't as draconian as the rumors make it out to be. 'Must be connected' is what the rumors stated. I guess it could be a timer like Kotaku said.
I'm not happy about 499 either.
Beaulieu
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(04-25-2013, 03:50 PM)
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when is the last time you guys used a console that had no ethernet cable plugged into it ?
macewank
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Originally Posted by darkside31337

That subsidized cost makes no sense. It's going to end up being a lot higher than that by the end of the contract. Maybe a 2 year XBL Platinum service.

edit: I meant that its going to cost more than the $50 difference over 2 years.

right.. these companies don't offer subsidy to help the customer. if you want to pay less up front, you'll pay more at the end.
Einbroch
(04-25-2013, 03:50 PM)
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So, they pushed it BACK to better position themselves against the PS4? That means they were ready, but then PS4 announced something or a feature that took them by surprise, so they had to push it back?

It can't be hardware, it's way too late to change hardware.
casablanca
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(04-25-2013, 03:50 PM)
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November : Niceeeeeee
499 : Meh

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