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IncandescentPrecept
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(12-09-2013, 04:50 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ixion

AUJ had two prologues and also introduced two unrelated plot threads with Azog and Radagast.

FOTR had one prologue and no unrelated plot threads introduced.

After FOTR's prologue, you're just getting the main plot from then on. Big difference.

Can you remind me what prologues were in AUJ? I only watched the movie once. Is Radagast's plot unrelated? He did go to Dol Guldur which is very much related to the plot.
Loxley
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(12-09-2013, 05:02 AM)
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Originally Posted by IncandescentPrecept

Can you remind me what prologues were in AUJ? I only watched the movie once. Is Radagast's plot unrelated? He did go to Dol Guldur which is very much related to the plot.

Prologue 1 - Old Bilbo + Frodo scene

Prologue 2 - Dwarves finding the Arkenstone + Smaug attacking Erebor

Radagast's is involved with the whole Necromancer sub-plot, which we'll see a lot more of in DoS.
Altazor
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(12-09-2013, 05:10 AM)
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Originally Posted by IncandescentPrecept

Can you remind me what prologues were in AUJ? I only watched the movie once. Is Radagast's plot unrelated? He did go to Dol Guldur which is very much related to the plot.

Maybe both the Bilbo prologue which begat the Dwarven/Erebor prologue? You can consider them both one big prologue, I guess.

I just finished watching the EE and... yeah, I dunno. I do believe the movie has pacing problems. And the whole tone is a bit conflicting - it's like it tries to be both a lighthearted fairytale and a serious epic adventure in the LOTR mould. And it can't be both, so it fails (in a sense) because the "seriousness" tarnishes the fantastical elements so to speak, but you can't also take 100% seriously a movie with a singing gobling king, a trio of arguing trolls with thick accents and no real urgency to the plot.

That... and some of the effects. Now, don't get me wrong - most of them (especially Gollum!) are simple amazing. The problem I have is that a lot of things look... well, fake. In a sense. Not because they're bad effects - but because they look like they don't really belong there. No weight, no wear, no effect on their surroundings. Then again, the LOTR trilogy also had effects like these but... I dunno, it seemed they were better placed, so that they didn't overwhelm the rest of the movie.

All in all I still like it. I mean, as I've already said, I'm too much of a fanboy. But it doesn't hurt to be a bit critical, huh? :P
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(12-09-2013, 05:27 AM)
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So i opened up my EE trilogy blu-ray box a minute ago and just realized how amazingly ridiculous the tagline on the back of the ROTK BRD is

"The last battle for Middle-Earth and triumphant conclusion glisten and roar with regal splendor in glorious hi-def"

Holy crap!
Loxley
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(12-09-2013, 07:40 PM)
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I had no idea that Luke Evans played Girion in the Erebor flashback (from the AUJ EE). Neat.

While watching the live stream of the Berlin premiere, which is still running right now at Berlin Premiere Live Stream Luke Evans confirmed that he played Bard’s own ancestor, Girion of Dale. He only had to spend one day in costume, but as you can see from this image, that costume was very elaborate and heavy, similar to what the dwarves had to wear all the time. Luke said he was glad he only had to put on this heavy costume just the one day, but really loved playing his ancestor to bring that history to life.

Ixion
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Originally Posted by IncandescentPrecept

Is Radagast's plot unrelated? He did go to Dol Guldur which is very much related to the plot.

It's not related to the main plot. Neither is Azog. They're both side-plots.

Everything in Fellowship furthered the main plot. That's why the pacing is much different in each film.
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(12-09-2013, 08:36 PM)
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Another negative review comparing these movies to the SW prequels.

Seriously now.. If this movie reaches the level of hate that those films got, I'll become a eunuch.
alexlevesque
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(12-10-2013, 12:00 AM)
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Originally Posted by Dabookerman

Another negative review comparing these movies to the SW prequels.

Seriously now.. If this movie reaches the level of hate that those films got, I'll become a eunuch.

Which review are you talking about?
Loxley
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(12-10-2013, 12:01 AM)
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Originally Posted by alexlevesque

Which review are you talking about?

Probably the Badass Digest review.
NeoGiff
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(12-10-2013, 01:34 AM)
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I know that Azog has been a matter of contention, but I think he looks absolutely incredible in this shot from one of the latest TV spots (click to enlarge).

Much better than he did in AUJ, at least (although this could be down to the lighting, color grading etc.).

boiled goose
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Originally Posted by Loxley

Prologue 1 - Old Bilbo + Frodo scene

Prologue 2 - Dwarves finding the Arkenstone + Smaug attacking Erebor

Radagast's is involved with the whole Necromancer sub-plot, which we'll see a lot more of in DoS.

Prologue 3: the war of the dwarves and orcs.

Originally Posted by Altazor


I just finished watching the EE and... yeah, I dunno. I do believe the movie has pacing problems. And the whole tone is a bit conflicting - it's like it tries to be both a lighthearted fairytale and a serious epic adventure in the LOTR mould. And it can't be both, so it fails (in a sense) because the "seriousness" tarnishes the fantastical elements so to speak, but you can't also take 100% seriously a movie with a singing gobling king, a trio of arguing trolls with thick accents and no real urgency to the plot.

That... and some of the effects. Now, don't get me wrong - most of them (especially Gollum!) are simple amazing. The problem I have is that a lot of things look... well, fake. In a sense. Not because they're bad effects - but because they look like they don't really belong there. No weight, no wear, no effect on their surroundings. Then again, the LOTR trilogy also had effects like these but... I dunno, it seemed they were better placed, so that they didn't overwhelm the rest of the movie.

All in all I still like it. I mean, as I've already said, I'm too much of a fanboy. But it doesn't hurt to be a bit critical, huh? :P

I agree with pretty much everything. The brooding Thorin and scary Azog really clash with the comical Goblin town, rivendell extended, and troll sequences. It is not THAT bad, but I feel a few adjustments could have made it more consistent. The goblin town sequence was a little too King Kong, when the heroes feel so untouchable the element of danger is diminished. The mines of moria in FotR is much more effective and soo much better. The comic relief humor writing just feels much weaker for the movie compared to the trilogy. Goblin king dying: 'that outta do it'. Weak. Gimil: "that still only counts as one" effective.

The main issue I have with the film though is how much it references elements in the trilogy. Gandalf darkening the room in bag end, galadriels telepathy, the butterfly calling the eagles. It is not that it is there, it is how it was done. the recycled music really made it feel gratuitous. The butterfly at the black gate in RoftK was so much more subtle and effective for example.

All that said, I still enjoyed it.
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Vashetti
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(12-10-2013, 10:06 AM)
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Originally Posted by NeoGiff

I know that Azog has been a matter of contention, but I think he looks absolutely incredible in this shot from one of the latest TV spots (click to enlarge).

Much better than he did in AUJ, at least (although this could be down to the lighting, color grading etc.).

That does look admittedly great.
NeoGiff
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(12-10-2013, 11:45 AM)
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Originally Posted by Vashetti

That does look admittedly great.

Something that struck me last night about Azog was that a lot (all?) of what we have seen him do so far has been almost in slow motion. Not necessarily in his manner of speech - that's the choice of Manu Bennett - but in the way he moves. He has almost exclusively been moving slowly either by a slow-motion directorial choice (Azanulbizar, Out of the Frying-pan), or because the scene doesn't demand him to move quickly (Weathertop).

In that shot we have of him in Dol Guldur, he seems to be in full motion at normal speed, and he looks incredible. So, what I'm saying is that a lot of our negative reception of him may simply be as a result of his exaggerated slowness thus far (added, of course, to his rushed rendering in AUJ).

EDIT: Pasted this idea over on TORn, I wonder what will become of it.
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Curufinwe
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(12-10-2013, 02:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by boiled goose

The main issue I have with the film though is how much it references elements in the trilogy.

The plinth that Bofur hops up on in Rivendell to sing his song (actually Frodo's song from The Prancing Pony in the books) is the same one the ring was placed on at the Council of Elrond in FotR.


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allegate
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(12-10-2013, 05:23 PM)
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Originally Posted by Dead

The review says the Barrel sequence is about an hour into the film

Keep in mind that that is where AUJ originally was supposed to end.

Puts into perspective just how much footage they shot for them to make this into 3 movies. Adding that to AUJ would make for a 4 hour movie. Fucking crazy. Would love to know just how that movie was originally supposed to flow/be edited

Is there a bigger version of that banner?
Loxley
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(12-15-2013, 02:44 AM)
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So, for those of us that are still interested in seeing how this trilogy ends, let's speculate about There and Back Again.

We know three major events have yet to happen, Smaug's attack on Laketown, the Battle of Dol Goldur, and the Battle of the Five Armies. Personally I think at this point it's safe to say that the rumor from way back suggesting that Smaug would be 'resurrected' by the necromancer and take part in the Battle of the Five Armies is completely false, thankfully.

We speculated in the DOS spoiler thread that Tauriel (major book spoilers) will likely bite the dust alongside Kili, Fili, and Thorin during the battle. Personally, I'm extremely excited to see Billy Connolly as Dáin. His description (that of a mohawk'd dwarf riding a giant boar) sounds freakin' rad.
Ixion
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(12-17-2013, 07:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by Loxley

Personally I think at this point it's safe to say that the rumor from way back suggesting that Smaug would be 'resurrected' by the necromancer and take part in the Battle of the Five Armies is completely false, thankfully.

How come? PJ said the plots are going to connect in the third film. Sauron gaining control of Smaug seems like the most direct connection to make.

Why else would Sauron be "fixed on the mountain"? Does he want the gold?
Loxley
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(12-21-2013, 02:03 AM)
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Production Vlog 14 - The Score of The Desolation of Smaug

It also gives us our very first glimpse of a shot from There and Back Again:

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(12-21-2013, 02:12 AM)
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Originally Posted by Loxley

Production Vlog 14 - The Score of The Desolation of Smaug

It also gives us our very first glimpse of a shot from There and Back Again:

Is that Billy Connolly as Dain? I can't tell underneath all the helmet and beard lol
Loxley
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(12-21-2013, 02:21 AM)
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Originally Posted by Gozer the Gozerian

Is that Billy Connolly as Dain? I can't tell underneath all the helmet and beard lol

It could be. At first I thought it was Gloin, but the beard doesn't match the one Peter Hambleton had in the two previous films.
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(12-21-2013, 06:37 AM)
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Originally Posted by maquiladora

This person lied!
Discotheque
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(12-21-2013, 06:39 AM)
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Originally Posted by See You Next Wednesday

This person lied!

it was better than the first one and the barrel scene was the action scene of the year. (not all-time worthy though).
jett
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(12-21-2013, 06:42 AM)
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Originally Posted by See You Next Wednesday

This person lied!

Yeah it's just total knobslobbering bullshit.

Originally Posted by Discotheque

it was better than the first one and the barrel scene was the action scene of the year. (not all-time worthy though).

All of the set pieces in Gravity are not only several orders of magnitude better directed, they're also infinitely more impacting.
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Loofy
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(12-22-2013, 07:15 PM)
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Just finished watching the extended edition features. Gotta say I was disappointed. I guess I was expecting they'd take a page from Game of Thrones and put in some 'Lore' featurettes, not just behind the scenes production stuff.
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(12-22-2013, 07:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ixion

How come? PJ said the plots are going to connect in the third film. Sauron gaining control of Smaug seems like the most direct connection to make.

Why else would Sauron be "fixed on the mountain"? Does he want the gold?

I'm pretty sure that whoever will be resurrected is either the orc leader or the dwarf king from the flashback of the first movie. The whole gang at Dol Goldur is probably there for that. I'm guessing the orc leader will be resurrected and lead that army.
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Loxley
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(12-22-2013, 09:23 PM)
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Originally Posted by Loofy

Just finished watching the extended edition features. Gotta say I was disappointed. I guess I was expecting they'd take a page from Game of Thrones and put in some 'Lore' featurettes, not just behind the scenes production stuff.

They're likely saving all of the 'History of The Hobbit' features for the final 'There and Back Again' DVD/Blu-ray release.
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(12-22-2013, 09:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by Curufinwe

The plinth that Bofur hops up on in Rivendell to sing his song (actually Frodo's song from The Prancing Pony in the books) is the same one the ring was placed on at the Council of Elrond in FotR.


Ok, sorry to derail the thread, but the second high resolution shot looks so much more set-like than the one from FOTR. Can we stop blaming HFR for this?
jett
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(12-22-2013, 10:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by agrajag

Ok, sorry to derail the thread, but the second high resolution shot looks so much more set-like than the one from FOTR. Can we stop blaming HFR for this?

Honestly, the photography of these movies is pretty much totes mediocre.
Loxley
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(12-22-2013, 10:41 PM)
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Man, there is not one aspect of these movies that someone won't complain about. Its actually starting to become amusing to me.
Dabookerman
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(12-22-2013, 11:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by Loxley

Man, there is not one aspect of these movies that someone won't complain about. Its actually starting to become amusing to me.

When you hate a movie, you gotta really hate it.

I'm sure I've seen a post or two calling these movies the worst ones ever.

Oh well!
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(12-22-2013, 11:22 PM)
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This is a better comparison. You can tell why PJ messed with the colors in DoS. I thought the changes were pretty apparent in the scenes in Erebor, everything was much darker compared to that last shot in AUJ.
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yeah i liked that he toned down the colour in dos. it looks much better than AUJ because of it.
Ixion
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(12-24-2013, 07:23 AM)
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HO

LY

SHIT


I just saw The Arkenstone Edition of An Unexpected Journey (the fan edit) and it turns a good movie into a fantastic movie. A 7/10 to a 9/10.

Everything that I disliked about the movie has been cut, the pacing is fantastic, some of the missing songs from the score have been restored, and a few of the good scenes from the extended edition were even included to emphasize Bilbo.

On one hand, I'm glad someone showed how good a properly edited version can be, but on the other hand I'm even more disappointed in how poorly edited the original version is.

I honestly felt this version was on the same level as LOTR. Removing all that stupid crap really makes a difference.
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Originally Posted by Ixion

HO

LY

SHIT


I just saw The Arkenstone Edition of An Unexpected Journey (the fan edit) and it turns a good movie into a fantastic movie. A 7/10 to a 9/10.

Everything that I disliked about the movie has been cut, the pacing is fantastic, some of the missing songs from the score have been restored, and a few of the good scenes from the extended edition were even included to emphasize Bilbo.

On one hand, I'm glad someone showed how good a properly edited version can be, but on the other hand I'm even more disappointed in how poorly edited the original version is.

I honestly felt this version was on the same level as LOTR. Removing all that stupid crap really makes a difference.

Posted comments to this effect in one of the other threads, but yes, it's excellent. All 5 of my friends who loved LOTR and then hated AUJ either liked or loved Arkenstone.
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(12-24-2013, 07:48 AM)
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Originally Posted by DS-61-5

Posted comments to this effect in one of the other threads, but yes, it's excellent. All 5 of my friends who loved LOTR and then hated AUJ either liked or loved Arkenstone.

I'm definitely interested in checking this out. Also looking forward to the 45 minute long DOS fanedit. Or maybe the EE will have more meaningful scenes from Mirkwood and with Beorn. Pad it to a full hour even.
Secret_Riddle
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Originally Posted by DS-61-5

Posted comments to this effect in one of the other threads, but yes, it's excellent. All 5 of my friends who loved LOTR and then hated AUJ either liked or loved Arkenstone.

The film fan in me thinks this is great work... but the franchise fan misses some of the bloat.

I really hope this guy also does a cut of the trilogy as two films (as originally planned)... and maybe even just one film. Why not?
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Originally Posted by Ixion

HO

LY

SHIT


I just saw The Arkenstone Edition of An Unexpected Journey (the fan edit) and it turns a good movie into a fantastic movie. A 7/10 to a 9/10.

Everything that I disliked about the movie has been cut, the pacing is fantastic, some of the missing songs from the score have been restored, and a few of the good scenes from the extended edition were even included to emphasize Bilbo.

On one hand, I'm glad someone showed how good a properly edited version can be, but on the other hand I'm even more disappointed in how poorly edited the original version is.

I honestly felt this version was on the same level as LOTR. Removing all that stupid crap really makes a difference.

The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Rings (Extended Edition)
The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey Soundtrack
The Lord of the Rings: Battle for Middle-Earth (Video Game)
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (Video Game)

Uh.
Illithid Dude
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Originally Posted by Ixion

HO

LY

SHIT


I just saw The Arkenstone Edition of An Unexpected Journey (the fan edit) and it turns a good movie into a fantastic movie. A 7/10 to a 9/10.

Everything that I disliked about the movie has been cut, the pacing is fantastic, some of the missing songs from the score have been restored, and a few of the good scenes from the extended edition were even included to emphasize Bilbo.

On one hand, I'm glad someone showed how good a properly edited version can be, but on the other hand I'm even more disappointed in how poorly edited the original version is.

I honestly felt this version was on the same level as LOTR. Removing all that stupid crap really makes a difference.

How do I download this? I can't figure out how to from the page you linked.
Vigilant Walrus
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(12-24-2013, 10:30 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ixion

HO

LY

SHIT


I just saw The Arkenstone Edition of An Unexpected Journey (the fan edit) and it turns a good movie into a fantastic movie. A 7/10 to a 9/10.

Everything that I disliked about the movie has been cut, the pacing is fantastic, some of the missing songs from the score have been restored, and a few of the good scenes from the extended edition were even included to emphasize Bilbo.

On one hand, I'm glad someone showed how good a properly edited version can be, but on the other hand I'm even more disappointed in how poorly edited the original version is.

I honestly felt this version was on the same level as LOTR. Removing all that stupid crap really makes a difference.

is this some sort of trap or are you for real?


real real, or fake real? i'm confused!
Ixion
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(12-24-2013, 05:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by Illithid Dude

How do I download this? I can't figure out how to from the page you linked.

Originally Posted by Vigilant Walrus

is this some sort of trap or are you for real?


real real, or fake real? i'm confused!

lol It's real. That site doesn't link to the download because downloading a fan edit is basically file-sharing.

If you seek the location of the Arkenstone, send word to the Prince of Mirkwood.
Loxley
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(12-31-2013, 09:12 PM)
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AUJ was 2013's most-pirated film.
Platy
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(12-31-2013, 09:30 PM)
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Are the extended editions included there ?

Because I bet some people pirated it twice because of that
Loxley
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(12-31-2013, 10:56 PM)
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Originally Posted by Platy

Are the extended editions included there ?

Because I bet some people pirated it twice because of that

Pretty much guaranteed.
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Originally Posted by See You Next Wednesday

This person lied!

I dunno it's pretty accurate to me aside from not liking the first one.
Platy
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The Desolation of Smaug Artbook has an interesting page about Thrain .... I wonder what happened

Recomend to play the video below with HD in full screen for a better look
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Originally Posted by Platy

The Desolation of Smaug Artbook has an interesting page about Thrain .... I wonder what happened

Recomend to play the video below with HD in full screen for a better look

Extended Edition
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(01-04-2014, 09:15 PM)
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You know, I've never watched any of the EE appendices, but the ones in AUJ make me want to go back and rewatch all the LOTR EE's and their documentaries. Had no idea Ian McKellan had to film by himself because they had to do composite shots with him and the dwarves to maintain scale. Really fascinating stuff.
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Originally Posted by Draconian

You know, I've never watched any of the EE appendices, but the ones in AUJ make me want to go back and rewatch all the LOTR EE's and their documentaries. Had no idea Ian McKellan had to film by himself because they had to do composite shots with him and the dwarves to maintain scale. Really fascinating stuff.

If you liked the AUJ EE appendices you will love the LOTR ones. Enjoy!
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The LOTR EE documentaries are great quality. By the time you get to RotK, it does start to wear a little thin, but they're still well worth watching.

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