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miladesn
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(05-13-2013, 08:40 AM)
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this is a tiny bit more than the revised forecasts announced in March.







http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/ne...q4earnings.pdf
http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/ne...3q4release.pdf

Now this bit, operating income for Digital Ent. segment (aka games) was only paltry 44m yen for the year on sales of 89b yen, the year before they had operating income of 12.6b yen on sales of 72b yen for comparison. Basically last year Digital Ent. was barely at break even point with 99.7% yoy decline in operating income even though actual sales increased.







likely slides will be up later, they said in March that they explain restructuring plans here.
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Glass Rebel
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(05-13-2013, 08:41 AM)
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SQUARE ENIX HOLDINGS CO., LTD. (The "Company") Made me laugh more than it should have.

FFX|V better be out soon...
Man God
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(05-13-2013, 08:42 AM)
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This is what happens when you don't realize anything.

Well, anything that people would actually want to play.
kayos90
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(05-13-2013, 08:43 AM)
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Well folks. That's that.
Sandfox
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(05-13-2013, 08:43 AM)
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Its looking more and more like SE wants to get away from consoles.
Pinko Marx
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(05-13-2013, 08:43 AM)
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It doesn't hurt any more....
It doesn't hurt anymore...
CorvoSol
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(05-13-2013, 08:43 AM)
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HEY MAYBE WHEN YOU SELL YOUR ONLY DECENT GAMES TO THE REST OF THE WORLD YOU CAN MAKE MONEY.
Agent Icebeezy
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(05-13-2013, 08:44 AM)
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Versus is going to have to come out sometime. Also, stop trying to rip us off in the mobile space.
GraveRobberX
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(05-13-2013, 08:44 AM)
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What happens first

SE gets bought out/closes up/gets smaller or FF Versus release?

Also DAT Firesale @ Retailers for Tomb Raider/Hitman Absolution, SE is getting hit with that big fucking time
I dun think PS+ EU potluck payout was substantial enough for Hitman to at least swerve that bottom line
Bryan Newman
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(05-13-2013, 08:44 AM)
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All they have to do is remake FF VII...They'd have more money than they know what to do with.
Gamespawn
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(05-13-2013, 08:45 AM)
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Type-O should have been released already. And the remake needs to come out sooner than later.
NateDrake
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(05-13-2013, 08:45 AM)
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Originally Posted by Man God

This is what happens when you don't realize anything.

Well, anything that people would actually want to play.

What about Tomb Raider?

Aside from Tomb Raider......what did Square Enix release this yr? Theatrhythm Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts 3DS are all I can think.
Zeouterlimits
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(05-13-2013, 08:45 AM)
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New word for the day:

Oligopolistic: A market condition in which sellers are so few that the actions of any one of them will materially affect price and have a measurable impact on competitors.
plantedunicorn
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(05-13-2013, 08:46 AM)
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What? Do I just not understand that 99.7% number because that sounds hard to believe.
Lucis
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(05-13-2013, 08:46 AM)
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Title is misleading...
Operating Income != Game Income

Rev actually went up, so they sold more shit YOY technically...
jaxword
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(05-13-2013, 08:46 AM)
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How did Wada manage to keep this from everyone?
electroplankton
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(05-13-2013, 08:46 AM)
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Good for them they have Dragon Quest and social games.
Glass Rebel
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(05-13-2013, 08:46 AM)
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Originally Posted by NateDrake

What about Tomb Raider?

Aside from Tomb Raider......what did Square Enix release this yr?

That's what happens when you spend too much money on something that doesn't make you enough in return. Same goes for Hitman: Absolution.
duckroll
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(05-13-2013, 08:47 AM)
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Don't worry, there'll be more announcements at E3 and their earnings will be better next year!

gundamkyoukai
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(05-13-2013, 08:47 AM)
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Lets see what this new CEO going to do to help SE because they need to sort things out fast .
Bring out games people want and some new IP .
KillerTravis
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(05-13-2013, 08:48 AM)
Too much iOS games, too few localizations.
GraveRobberX
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(05-13-2013, 08:48 AM)
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Originally Posted by Bryan Newman

All they have to do is remake FF VII...They'd have more money than they know what to do with.

I think when people were obsessed with it, they could have made fuck tons of money on it

Now I think that aura is lost

People moved the fuck on, they got other things to satiate them
That nostalgia train has left
BocoDragon
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(05-13-2013, 08:48 AM)
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This is the kick in the balls needed to give the fans what they want.

No it isn't. Social, mobile and an emphasis on proven genres that sell in the West incoming.
Spwn
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(05-13-2013, 08:48 AM)
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That restructuring can' t come to soon.
doemaaan
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(05-13-2013, 08:48 AM)
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Originally Posted by GraveRobberX

I think when people were obsessed with it, they could have made fuck tons of money on it

Now I think that aura is lost

People moved the fuck on, they got other things to satiate them
That nostalgia train has left

THANK YOU...
Tagg9
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(05-13-2013, 08:49 AM)
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$13.7 billion YEN ~= $135 million USD
Regulus Tera
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(05-13-2013, 08:49 AM)
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well uh

yeowch
JaxJag
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(05-13-2013, 08:49 AM)
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I could careless about what happens to Square-Enix, I've never enjoyed a single Square game in my entire life.

But I am worried about their Eidos division. It's amazing how a lot of their Eidos games have sold in the millions, but are still considered failures. Gotta be some poor management going on there, hopefully they realize this and cut the fat where it needs to be cut, and there's no undeserved causalities.
Sandfox
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(05-13-2013, 08:50 AM)
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What does SE have besides DQ and FF at this point?
Parakeetman
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(05-13-2013, 08:50 AM)
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Enix should split while they can lol
Glass Rebel
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(05-13-2013, 08:50 AM)
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Originally Posted by GraveRobberX

I think when people were obsessed with it, they could have made fuck tons of money on it

Now I think that aura is lost

People moved the fuck on, they got other things to satiate them
That nostalgia train has left

Pretty much this. They should have remade it when they were able to come close to that PS3 demo. Nowadays even that looks dated as hell except for the characters maybe.
RagnarokX
(05-13-2013, 08:50 AM)
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Originally Posted by NateDrake

What about Tomb Raider?

Aside from Tomb Raider......what did Square Enix release this yr? Theatrhythm Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts 3DS are all I can think.

They spent a ton more money making a game with much less gameplay and though it set a franchise high for initial sales with like the biggest ad campaign the franchise has ever seen it's probably sold half of the 3.4 million unit initial shipment that Square expected it to sell out of.
HawthorneKitty
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(05-13-2013, 08:51 AM)
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Lightning Returns will bring SE back on the road to glory.
GraveRobberX
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(05-13-2013, 08:51 AM)
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Really, SE over-shipping that absurd amount of Tomb Raiders and Hitman Absolution is biting them so fucking hard

I see HA is $19.99 @ Best Buy this week, I mean games released before it are still demanding $29.99 to $39.99, yet that shit dropped like a fucking rock one month since it's release
Glass Rebel
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(05-13-2013, 08:52 AM)
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Originally Posted by Sandfox

What does SE have besides DQ and FF at this point?

Tomb Raider and Deus Ex. Not sure how Kingdom Hearts sells these days.
fauxtrot
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(05-13-2013, 08:52 AM)
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Originally Posted by Lucis

Title is misleading...
Operating Income != Game Income

Rev actually went up, so they sold more shit YOY technically...

Revenue != Profit

They could have sold 10x what they did last year, but if their expenses go up 10x+, it won't matter.
ginger ninja
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(05-13-2013, 08:53 AM)
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what the hell is a yoy :s
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(05-13-2013, 08:54 AM)
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Originally Posted by ginger ninja

what the hell is a yoy :s

year over year

meaning this year compared to last year
GraveRobberX
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(05-13-2013, 08:54 AM)
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Originally Posted by ginger ninja

what the hell is a yoy :s

Year Over Year

Edit: Dammit Jonathan!
Well my YOY is classier, it very educational!
Glass Rebel
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(05-13-2013, 08:55 AM)
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Originally Posted by ginger ninja

what the hell is a yoy :s

Kingdom Hearts: Year over Year for smartphones
googleplex
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(05-13-2013, 08:56 AM)
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This is what happened when you refuse to make games that people actually want to play.
OccamsBlender
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(05-13-2013, 08:57 AM)
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Originally Posted by CorvoSol

HEY MAYBE WHEN YOU SELL YOUR ONLY DECENT GAMES TO THE REST OF THE WORLD YOU CAN MAKE MONEY.

Gib Bravely Default on Steam.

Originally Posted by googleplex

This is what happened when you refuse to make games that people actually want to play.

It's pretty sad when shitty arse skinner box social games are making em more money than real games.

I'm not sure SE is capable of delivering games that gamers really want. Just Cause 3 pls.
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Femmeworth
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(05-13-2013, 08:57 AM)
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If they were going to lose that much money, they could have at least lost it making interesting games. :\

Edit: On second thought, is that even a whole lot for them?
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gundamkyoukai
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(05-13-2013, 08:57 AM)
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Originally Posted by Glass Rebel

Tomb Raider and Deus Ex. Not sure how Kingdom Hearts sells these days.

I think a KH consoles game would out sell both of them to tell the truth .
The sad thing is with Tomb Raider and Deus Ex is they don't sell in Japan which makes it even harder to make back money on them .
Jharp
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(05-13-2013, 08:57 AM)
They handle iOS/handheld games worse than almost any other major publisher.

They won't make games fans have been wanting for years.

They regularly refuse to localize games that fans in regions outside Japan have demonstrated an interest in.

They spend absurd amounts of money games like Final Fantasy XIII, XIV, and XIII-2 only to release turds, and Versus XIII, only to release nothing.

How is this a surprise? Just about the only part of the company that appears to know what the fuck they're doing is whoever is handling the Eidos stuff.
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RagnarokX
(05-13-2013, 08:58 AM)
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Originally Posted by Glass Rebel

Tomb Raider and Deus Ex. Not sure how Kingdom Hearts sells these days.

Just Cause
GraveRobberX
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(05-13-2013, 08:59 AM)
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If FFX|V doesn't take off and become a nice sugar daddy like FFXI... Jesus!
All those wasted resources, time, money, etc.

SE rather than push more good content, is shuffling itself into a hole by trying to rekindle the Nostalgia by selling HD remixes of their old stable titles
It will sell well, but they really need to move ahead and push that shit forward

If FFX and FFX-2 HD and KH 1.5 are just stand alone, SE hasn't learned a damn fucking thing!
Inorigo
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(05-13-2013, 08:59 AM)
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Stupid Eidos games! Hmph! *folds arms*
DJwest
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(05-13-2013, 08:59 AM)
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Give gamers what they want. Versus 13, FF15, Kingdom Hearts 3, Dragon Quest XI, all on HD consoles and multiplat would sell great. Plus I need my FFXII HD port pls, lol
Man God
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(05-13-2013, 08:59 AM)
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Apparently DQ X is doing "okay".

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