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Canis lupus
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(06-17-2013, 09:58 PM)
The console is much smaller than its direct competitor and 50 percent more powerful. The power brick is incorporated in the console despite the slim factor. After Sony announced the ram type there was discussion how and if they would be able to fit 16 4Gb GDDR5 chips in the console, the product would be rather colossal. The Xbox One is a huge console, and weeks prior to E3 everyone was certain the PS4 with its better specs would be of a similar size, if not even bigger.

Even Yoshida was amazed by its smallness:

"We were heavily involved in designing the DualShock 4 even at the time that no idea existed, because itís the interface," Yoshida said. "We were there as a team. But the box, itís just a box. When I finally saw it, it was near-final and I was amazed by the thinness and lightness of it. It looked already like the second generation of a console. I compared it to the second generation of the PS3. On PS4, first-gen is almost exactly the same dimensions. More than the aesthetics of it, the smallness of it. I am so psyched."


This is not a size comparison thread but a question of ''how did they do it?!'' Why is the Xbox One bigger? This is how it looks inside:


I'm really stoked to see the internals of the PS4 and how it compares to the Xbox because I believe Sony engineers used magic arranging the innards of the console.
Horse Armour
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(06-17-2013, 09:59 PM)
A mid range 2012 GPU and a netbook CPU is an engineering marvel? Must be nice to be so easily impressed.
Barkley's Justice
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(06-17-2013, 10:00 PM)
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To be fair, the Xbox One is not as huge in person as it appears in photos. FWIW
MoeB
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(06-17-2013, 10:00 PM)
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Definitely agree with the OP. Second post is lame!
TacticalFox88
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(06-17-2013, 10:00 PM)
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Based Cerny.
linko9
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(06-17-2013, 10:00 PM)
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Lets wait to see how hot/loud it gets and what the failure rate is.
Dance Inferno
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(06-17-2013, 10:00 PM)
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It must be very depressing to be a MS employee on GAF these days.
Certinty
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(06-17-2013, 10:00 PM)
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I remember reading a few months ago that Sony didn't show the console back in February because it had 'secret features' of something.

I would now assume it's the size of the console they were hiding?
Pagusas
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(06-17-2013, 10:00 PM)
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I think MS went for as conservative and open design as they could to avoid heat issues. Just looking at the box there is a ton of spare room compared to the PS3.
Majine
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(06-17-2013, 10:00 PM)
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I wonder if the design process at Microsoft was like "DON'T MAKE IT OVERHEAT!" and boom.
Guevara
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(06-17-2013, 10:00 PM)
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This time Sony decided to skip straight to the PS4 Slim
Iacobellis
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(06-17-2013, 10:00 PM)
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Yeah, no clue how they made it that thin.
Deadly Cyclone
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(06-17-2013, 10:01 PM)
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Well the Xbox has a huge-ass fan, so there's your size.

Originally Posted by Horse Armour

A mid range 2012 GPU and a netbook CPU is an engineering marvel? Must be nice to be so easily impressed.

Go home, you're drunk.
commedieu
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(06-17-2013, 10:01 PM)

Originally Posted by Barkley's Justice

To be fair, the Xbox One is not as huge in person as it appears in photos. FWIW

which means that the PS4 is that much smaller.

It literally can't win at anything.
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(06-17-2013, 10:01 PM)
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It's a sexy beast, to be sure.
teiresias
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(06-17-2013, 10:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by Canis lupus

This is not a size comparison thread but a question of ''how did they do it?!'' Why is the Xbox One bigger? This is how it looks inside:

I'm a bit surprised the Xbone HDD mount uses actual cables for the power and SATA connection. Surely there's a surface mount, right-angle integrated solution for that by now for integrated systems so that the power tracing goes through the mobo directly to the connectors? Granted, I've never looked into it, so I could be off-base. That's just the first thing that stood out to me.
Hattori
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(06-17-2013, 10:02 PM)
japanese engineers are magicians
CornBurrito
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(06-17-2013, 10:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by linko9

Lets wait to see how hot/loud it gets and what the failure rate is.

I hope it doesn't have this problem. Though I won't be buying at launch anyway.

Though the Gamecube was pretty damn powerful and extremely tightly packed. And I dont recall it getting super hot/loud or failing.
RoboPlato
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(06-17-2013, 10:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by Horse Armour

A mid range 2012 GPU and a netbook CPU is an engineering marvel? Must be nice to be so easily impressed.

In a small of a form factor, a TDP of around 130 watts, high efficiency, and with GDDR5 as main memory it is.
dragonelite
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(06-17-2013, 10:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by Horse Armour

A mid range 2012 GPU and a netbook CPU is an engineering marvel? Must be nice to be so easily impressed.

This..

I have 25% stronger gpu in my laptop and it even has a full hd screen now that is a engineering marvel. Did cost 3 times the ps4 :'(
spats
(06-17-2013, 10:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by Guevara

This time Sony decided to skip straight to the PS4 Slim

Wait until you see the Super Slim. You'll need a toothpick to operate the power button.
Dragon
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(06-17-2013, 10:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by Horse Armour

A mid range 2012 GPU and a netbook CPU is an engineering marvel? Must be nice to be so easily impressed.

Certainly I'd rather lean on the positive side than the negative side on this stuff. Sony is much better at constructing their hardware than Microsoft is. We get it though, you've been very outspoken about the PC, everyone knows about its advantages! Most PS3 people I know had a PC in addition because it was the perfect complement.
outunderthestars
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(06-17-2013, 10:02 PM)

Originally Posted by Horse Armour

A mid range 2012 GPU and a netbook CPU is an engineering marvel? Must be nice to be so easily impressed.

And where can I find a comparable system for less?
Sethos
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(06-17-2013, 10:03 PM)
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I heard 8GB GDDR5 makes you look 10 pounds lighter.
reson8or
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(06-17-2013, 10:03 PM)
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Do we know if the PS4 will have an external power brick? I feel those should be added to the consoles size. The original 360 power brick was a massive pain in the ass to make room for.
twobear
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(06-17-2013, 10:03 PM)
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I guess the Mac Pro must be engineering black fucking magic then.
Cade
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(06-17-2013, 10:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by Horse Armour

A mid range 2012 GPU and a netbook CPU is an engineering marvel? Must be nice to be so easily impressed.

Originally Posted by Horse Armour

They're both larger than expected (Xbox especially so) considering their anaemic specs.

Twice you've rushed to have the first post with stuff like this. Do you work for Nvidia?
Wishmaster92
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(06-17-2013, 10:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by Horse Armour

A mid range 2012 GPU and a netbook CPU is an engineering marvel? Must be nice to be so easily impressed.

Neuromancer
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(06-17-2013, 10:03 PM)
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It's not the size of the boat, it's the motion of the ocean.
Levyne
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(06-17-2013, 10:04 PM)

Originally Posted by Horse Armour

A mid range 2012 GPU and a netbook CPU is an engineering marvel? Must be nice to be so easily impressed.

Time to join the quote chain I guess.

First replies are cool for that I suppose.

[Insert whatever remark desired against quoted post here.]
outunderthestars
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(06-17-2013, 10:04 PM)

Originally Posted by -Cade

Twice you've rushed to have the first post with stuff like this. Do you work for Nvidia?

Master Race trolls seem to be angsty this summer.
RoboPlato
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(06-17-2013, 10:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by -Cade

Twice you've rushed to have the first post with stuff like this. Do you work for Nvidia?

He's been posting like this since the tech specs for the consoles leaked.
Josh7289
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(06-17-2013, 10:04 PM)
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Wow, is that a real photo of the inside of the Xbox One? Gross. So much wasted space.
CaptainTiptop
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(06-17-2013, 10:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by Horse Armour

A mid range 2012 GPU and a netbook CPU is an engineering marvel? Must be nice to be so easily impressed.

Wait so you're saying.... PCs are better?!

Gasp!
Raymo
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(06-17-2013, 10:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by teiresias

I'm a bit surprised the Xbone HDD mount uses actual cables for the power and SATA connection. Surely there's a surface mount, right-angle integrated solution for that by now for integrated systems so that the power tracing goes through the mobo directly to the connectors? Granted, I've never looked into it, so I could be off-base. That's just the first thing that stood out to me.

Yeah that's really odd actually. Why could they have a docking mount right there and put a door in on the slide for a replaceable hdd? It's not like they don't have the room for it.
Interfectum
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(06-17-2013, 10:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by dragonelite

This..

I have 25% stronger gpu in my laptop and it even has a full hd screen now that is a engineering marvel. Did cost 3 times the ps4 :'(

You think your laptop can play games like inFamous and Battlefield 4?
maltrain
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(06-17-2013, 10:04 PM)
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Foxconn making this things is a great new to me, because they manufacture really good pieces of hardware. I really hope PS4 won't suffer from heat on that tiny box.
Klocker
(06-17-2013, 10:04 PM)
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the GPU is 50% more powerful, not the whole console, as a whole it is less so
Chittagong
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(06-17-2013, 10:05 PM)
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It's not really a massive marvel

- although Xbone is even more underpowered, the fact is that PS4 APU is fairly underpowered compared to gaming PCs already before launch
- one big chip is cooler than two big chips
- RAM is not a huge heat or size issue, not even GDDR5

The situation is very different to PS3 and 360 launch where the chips were massive, more cutting edge and there were two of them.

My only question is that wth is Xbone so huge rather than PS4 so small.
Coolwhip
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(06-17-2013, 10:05 PM)
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Each Xbone has a MS employee inside it to man the camera.
dragonelite
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Originally Posted by Interfectum

You think your laptop can play games like inFamous and Battlefield 4?

Why not?
Havent even overclocked it.
la flama blanca
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(06-17-2013, 10:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by Horse Armour

A mid range 2012 GPU and a netbook CPU is an engineering marvel? Must be nice to be so easily impressed.

Dr. Kitty Muffins
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(06-17-2013, 10:06 PM)
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I really hope neither console will have heat issues this gen. It seemed almost inevitable a few years ago after the 360 debacle.
DouglasteR
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(06-17-2013, 10:07 PM)
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Hummm, that huge cooler with heatpipes SHOULD be able to dissipate the heat.

OMG, the horror stories from the 360 era (3RLOD)
IHaveCandy
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(06-17-2013, 10:07 PM)
Going from 3.2 Ghz down to 1.6 Ghz alone makes designing a console with less heat output a lot easier. I know clockspeed isn't the only factor, but it is a huge one.
Psycho_Mantis
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(06-17-2013, 10:07 PM)

Originally Posted by CaptainTiptop

Wait so you're saying.... PCs are better?!

Gasp!

But are they cheaper? No.
Schrade
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(06-17-2013, 10:07 PM)
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The Xbone insides look almost exactly like what it looks like in my DirecTV HR-22 DVR aside from the off the shelf CPU cooler they're using.

It almost makes me wonder if they contracted with whatever manufacturer that made DVRs to make their system. This also makes me think that perhaps the subsidizing with cable/satellite companies might come to fruition.

It's like they made it to be very mass produce-able and easy to reduce costs on it.
HoodWinked
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(06-17-2013, 10:07 PM)
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its not that inconceivable there are gaming laptops with higher specs that are smaller than a ps4. size savings is primarily because custom form disc drive + custom fan cooling solution.

i think ms is just extra concerned about thermals arent going to risk rrod 2.0 from the pics from wired looks like they have plenty of room to improve for the inevitable redesign.

personally i dont think the ps4 design is all that inspiring and may have a design flaw. i couldnt find any intake vents which may mean the rear is both the intake and outtake which means it may cause thermal choke if placed in a shelf.
Majmun
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(06-17-2013, 10:08 PM)
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Xbox One's size gives MS the opportunity to release at least 5 slimmer versions of the console.

Releasing a slimmer version usually means a hardware boost.
Askherserenity
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(06-17-2013, 10:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by reson8or

Do we know if the PS4 will have an external power brick? I feel those should be added to the consoles size. The original 360 power brick was a massive pain in the ass to make room for.

Originally Posted by Canis lupus

The console is much smaller than its direct competitor and 50 percent more powerful. The power brick is incorporated in the console despite the slim factor....

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