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zakislam
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(06-20-2013, 12:13 AM)
http://www.polygon.com/2013/6/19/444...rice-cut-plans via http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/19/xbox...omplete-story/

Microsoft’s eyebrow-raising reversal of its Xbox One DRM policies has been in the works for some time, corporate vice president of Xbox Marc Whitten has said, but Microsoft wanted to tell the “complete story” before it made such a dramatic public reversal.

Speaking to Polygon, Whitten agreed that public opinion – cited by Xbox executive Don Mattrick as the primary motivator for the changes – has been strongly against DRM policies ever since they were first hinted at during the Xbox One reveal.

“What we wanted to do was tell our complete story,” Whitten said of the delay in letting gamers know things had changed.

“We knew our complete story was partially told at the Xbox One unveil and partially told at E3. We wanted to put our story out there and show the great games we have coming. We did that and people gave us a ton of feedback.”

The “complete story” included a number of features which, thanks to today’s reversal, have been thrown out the window – sharing your games library with up to nine other household members; taking your full games library to a friend’s house just by logging in on their machine; and the ability to play without a disc. These conveniences weren’t enough to keep gamers on side, it seems, so Microsoft has returned to a more conservative model.

There are some positive changes though, notably that the console will be region-free, but also should you take your disc to a friend’s house and install it there, they have the option to purchase it after you leave, saving them the hassle of getting their own disc; it will be as if they bought it from Xbox Live.

It’s worth remembering that the DRM changes don’t make the Xbox One an offline console; games which require cloud processing will need an always-on Internet connection, like any MMO or online multiplayer game.

“You have to be connected [for cloud processing to work]. All of the things that require the internet will require the console to connect. We want and expect most people to take advantage of those things, but we also want to give people the choice that they can play offline,” Whitten said.

Finally, Whitten could not give any reassurance that Microsoft will not change its policies in the future.

“There are our policies and we are really excited about them. By adding them we have shown that we are definitly listening,” he said.

Ilive1up
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(06-20-2013, 12:15 AM)
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BS
SMZC
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(06-20-2013, 12:17 AM)

Finally, Whitten could not give any reassurance that Microsoft will not change its policies in the future.

Shots fired.
ElectricKaibutsu
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(06-20-2013, 12:17 AM)
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Is this common knowledge? I must have missed that news. That's a pretty big deal for me.
shinra-bansho
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(06-20-2013, 12:18 AM)
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What utter bullshit.

And you can still do all that for digital libraries if you really want to, Microsoft.
SPE
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(06-20-2013, 12:18 AM)

been in the works for some time

Literally days!
Toki767
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(06-20-2013, 12:18 AM)
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So they never actually told their complete story before reversing their policies?
Guevara
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(06-20-2013, 12:18 AM)
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The damage control starts immediate. Weird that Polygon is first out the gate with it.
Freki
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(06-20-2013, 12:19 AM)
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Total fucking Bullshit!
Carl
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(06-20-2013, 12:19 AM)
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Finally, Whitten could not give any reassurance that Microsoft will not change its policies in the future.

Eh?
Rebel Leader
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(06-20-2013, 12:19 AM)
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all I can say is

Originally Posted by Carl

Eh?

Oh shit
phosphor112
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(06-20-2013, 12:19 AM)
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You can have my complete foot up your ass.
zomgbbqftw
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(06-20-2013, 12:19 AM)
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Originally Posted by SPE

Literally days!

More like hours.

"Finally, Whitten could not give any reassurance that Microsoft will not change its policies in the future."

Oh man, dis gna b good!

Lines up with the fact that it is being patched out. My guess is that the 24h timer will be patched to infinite and the disc registering system will be shut off. If it can be patched out, it can be patched back in.
Oyashrio-Sama
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(06-20-2013, 12:19 AM)
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BULLSHIT!
Forever
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(06-20-2013, 12:19 AM)
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Finally, Whitten could not give any reassurance that Microsoft will not change its policies in the future.

Better not motherfucker.
BY2K
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(06-20-2013, 12:19 AM)
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Finally, Whitten could not give any reassurance that Microsoft will not change its policies in the future.

So they can reverse the reversal at any time...
Mrbob
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(06-20-2013, 12:19 AM)
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The BS detector is running high.
Spongebob
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(06-20-2013, 12:20 AM)
Complete and utter BS.

He can't even ensure that they won't change that policy in the future, lmao.
ElectricKaibutsu
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(06-20-2013, 12:20 AM)
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Originally Posted by BY2K

So they can reverse the reversal at any time...

Xbone 360
BulletSmoke
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(06-20-2013, 12:20 AM)
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spin spin spin!
scytherage
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(06-20-2013, 12:20 AM)
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Originally Posted by ElectricKaibutsu

Is this common knowledge? I must have missed that news. That's a pretty big deal for me.

Yes, for me as well. I'm glad they're going that route, after dealing with all the hassles of region locking last gen.
BigDug13
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(06-20-2013, 12:20 AM)
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So more games will "require the cloud" so they can basically force online without saying they're forcing online.
dragonflys545
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(06-20-2013, 12:20 AM)
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LMAO!!!! wow at that bsing.
DirtyManos
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(06-20-2013, 12:21 AM)
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I don't believe this one fucking bit.

They basically just threw out everything they announced besides the games and TV stuff (which is still just for the US initially).

You just went through weeks and the biggest trade-show for the industry in YEARS defending this, as well as going on national tv saying "The Cloud!" etc, but you really were planning to say "Psych! Fooled you good again!"

On a Wednesday. Through a press release.

Yeah, ok.
ReaperXL07
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(06-20-2013, 12:21 AM)
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Originally Posted by SMZC

Shots fired.

Well they are making you waive class action lawsuit rights, so atleast in the US you could do nothing if they did choose to go back sometime in the future by elminating the day one patch when the install base is large enough.


im sure MS would not do that though.
chubigans
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(06-20-2013, 12:21 AM)
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If that's actually true, which it isn't, then that makes MS look like even bigger idiots for letting a massive DRM cloud fog up what could have been a great E3.
Rebel Leader
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(06-20-2013, 12:21 AM)
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Originally Posted by ElectricKaibutsu

Xbone 360

x 180/4 x PR =



Equals what?
SolarPowered
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(06-20-2013, 12:21 AM)
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The things PR makes these people say.

Finally, Whitten could not give any reassurance that Microsoft will not change its policies in the future.

Yeah, this is far from over.
Liquidus
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(06-20-2013, 12:21 AM)
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XBOX ONE EIGHTY.

Guess they didn't like getting crushed in the preorders.
nib95
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(06-20-2013, 12:21 AM)
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I'm not confident.

Finally, Whitten could not give any reassurance that Microsoft will not change its policies in the future.

Froli
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(06-20-2013, 12:21 AM)
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What a crock of bullshit.

WTF is wrong with this guys jesus christ, Can't they just be honest.. this kind of spin and lies just makes them look worse as it is
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Korigama
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(06-20-2013, 12:21 AM)
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Finally, Whitten could not give any reassurance that Microsoft will not change its policies in the future.

With being able to undo everything that they had been scheming initially with a simple patch, the idea of being able to change their minds once again and go right back if they felt like it doesn't seem farfetched.
Succinct Verbosity
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(06-20-2013, 12:21 AM)
Nobody believes you, Microsoft.
MorisUkunRasik
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(06-20-2013, 12:21 AM)
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Originally Posted by SMZC

Shots fired.

Originally Posted by Carl

Eh?

Originally Posted by Forever

Better not motherfucker.

Originally Posted by BY2K

So they can reverse the reversal at any time...


I doubt they'd be dumb enough to flip the DRM switch back on once they have a comfy install base. They'd be seen as the god damn devil.
Spongebob
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(06-20-2013, 12:21 AM)
Disgusting attitude to have towards gamers.

Originally Posted by nib95

I'm not confident.

People need to keep this in mind, its not over.
HaRyu
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(06-20-2013, 12:21 AM)
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You know Microsoft... the 180 was great, you should have just stopped there. But you just keep talking, and talking, and talking. And it just makes it worse. Just stop. Stop it.

Originally Posted by MorisUkunRasik

I doubt they'd be dumb enough to flip the DRM switch back on once they have a comfy install base. They'd be seen as the god damn devil.

You don't think they're dumb enough? Where the hell have you been?
Last edited by HaRyu; 06-20-2013 at 12:24 AM.
Garjon
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(06-20-2013, 12:22 AM)
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also should you take your disc to a friend’s house and install it there, they have the option to purchase it after you leave, saving them the hassle of getting their own disc; it will be as if they bought it from Xbox Live.

Why is this being stated as if it wasn't already true? Do Microsoft even understand why this DRM was so unpopular?
DMPrince
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(06-20-2013, 12:22 AM)

Originally Posted by nib95

I'm not confident.

Microsoft just played their Trap Card.
Cerrius
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(06-20-2013, 12:22 AM)
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Power of the Cloud™
Ding-Ding
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(06-20-2013, 12:22 AM)
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Originally Posted by SMZC

Shots fired.

Now why am I not surprised...

MS: Give us your money now, we will fuck you over later
zomgbbqftw
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(06-20-2013, 12:22 AM)
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Originally Posted by Rebel Leader

x 180/4 x PR =



Equals what?

Xboned.
MikeE21286
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(06-20-2013, 12:22 AM)
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complete BS

they never gave a full clear story ever
Chaos17
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(06-20-2013, 12:22 AM)
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The “complete story” included a number of features which, thanks to today’s reversal, have been thrown out the window – sharing your games library with up to nine other household members; taking your full games library to a friend’s house just by logging in on their machine; and the ability to play without a disc. These conveniences weren’t enough to keep gamers on side, it seems, so Microsoft has returned to a more conservative model.

It has been weeks that people were asking some clear details about these features but you stayed unvlear or just doged the questions. Just like you did with Angry Joe.

ReturnOfTheRAT
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(06-20-2013, 12:22 AM)
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It's rationale to simply not believe his lies. The things they're now claiming were beneficial were not clear and confusing to say the least. If they were as good as they say they were, Microsoft would still be signing gleefully about what they announced at E3 and assuring their customers that everything will be great in November onwards. Clearly they saw the Internet, offline media reaction, pre-orders, etc. and shit their pants and reversed course.
Nafai1123
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(06-20-2013, 12:22 AM)
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Hard to tell the complete story when it's blanketed under PR bullshit.
Moosehole
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(06-20-2013, 12:22 AM)
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Oh ok so basically they're going to wait until a lot of people buy the xbone then change all the DRM policies back.

Sounds like something they'd do.
Hero_of_the_Day
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(06-20-2013, 12:22 AM)
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"We wanted to see how bad things could get before we told people we were just kidding!"
Rebel Leader
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(06-20-2013, 12:23 AM)
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Originally Posted by MorisUkunRasik

I doubt they'd be dumb enough to flip the DRM switch back on once they have a comfy install base. They'd be seen as the god damn devil.

The console is not always on, but they can have always online games.

Hopefully not
Cryolemon
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(06-20-2013, 12:23 AM)
So are they saying that their plan all along was to see whether people would accept the DRM shit, and then, if not, reverse it for a PR boost?

Ballsy move if so.
TacticalFox88
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(06-20-2013, 12:23 AM)
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Finally, Whitten could not give any reassurance that Microsoft will not change its policies in the future.


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