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Chacranajxy
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(07-22-2013, 03:36 AM)
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Alright, look. The Super Nintendo and the Genesis are cool and all that, but we need to discuss the realest 16-bit system:

The Neo Geo.

The Neo Geo was released by SNK in 1990 in both arcade and home variants. The arcade hardware, known more colloquially as the MVS (for "Multi Video System"), was pretty capable kit when it was released. Early titles like NAM-1975 and Riding Hero looked good, but didn't necessarily blow the doors off the competition. The system's real advantage, though, was that the ROM size of arcade games could be expanded by simply producing beefier carts -- the actual Neo Geo hardware didn't limit the memory that could be used. While the initial batch of games clocked in at a paltry 50 megs or so, Samurai Shodown V Special, the last game on the system, was a whopping 708 meg monster. What this meant from a practical standpoint was that SNK was free to produce bigger, more lavishly animated games as the years went on, even when the system should have been long past its sell-by date. And thanks to that, the Neo Geo lasted for a whopping 14 years before SNK finally pulled the plug. Beat that, Sony.

So, why should you give a shit? Because Neo Geo games are off tha motherfucking hook.

The system's specialty was fighting games, and SNK was at the height of their creativity during the Neo Geo era. Games like Garou: Mark of the Wolves, Last Blade, Real Bout Fatal Fury 2, Samurai Shodown II, and the King of Fighters series showcase some of the best gameplay the genre has ever seen. Admittedly, The Neo Geo library was so fighter-laden that if you didn't like fighting games, chances are that the system didn't have a whole lot to hold your attention. But there were some notable run-n-gun shooters like the Metal Slug series (remember when that was good?) and Shock Troopers, as well as some solid shmups like Blazing Star and Pulstar. Hell, even the sports games were fun, even if you typically hate the genre. I defy you to find one level-headed person in this world who doesn't like Baseball Stars 2 or Windjammers. Seriously. Try it.

Neo Geo games were also some of the prettiest 2D games ever made. The artistry on display in some of these games is unbelievable, and the visuals are just as striking now as they were back when they came out. Maybe even more so, given the extra bit of perspective the passage of time has given us.

Ultimately, the Neo Geo remains a fantastic system today and is well worth checking out even if the system was before your day. The games have aged remarkably well, and there are plenty of obscurities that you might have missed out on the first time around that are absolutely deserving of your attention.

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Check Out These Rad Games:


Last Blade 2



Metal Slug



Samurai Shodown II



Windjammers



Garou: Mark of the Wolves



Crossed Swords II (CD Exclusive)



Breaker's Revenge



Sengoku 3



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The Hardware:


MVS



The arcade hardware. There are several variants of it. For older versions of the MVS, there are 1-slot, 2-slot, 4-slot, and 6-slot versions. What's the difference? The number of slots = the number of game cartridges you can have inserted at once. Convenient! There are a couple of revisions of the MVS, like the MVS-1B and MVS-1C, and the biggest difference with those is the smaller form factor.


AES



SNK didn't wait long to bring the Neo Geo home. The consumer system, known as the AES (Advanced Entertainment System) was released in 1990, not long after the arcade hardware debuted. Instead of taking the typical console route and dumbing down the hardware for the home, SNK opted instead to make the AES an exact replica of the arcade units. The games weren't similar to the arcade versions, they were the arcade versions -- the code on MVS and AES cartridges is literally identical. The only difference is that the hardware, itself, is set to play the console version of the game, which typically includes training modes and defaults to free play.

The system didn't fare particularly well against more popular systems like the SNES, which may have been due to the $650 price tag. Now, maybe in this era of overpriced game consoles that do a bunch of shit you don't care about, that doesn't seem like a lot, but when you adjust that for inflation, the price comes out to about $1,161. Which is a lot. Games weren't much more affordable, weighing in at a couple hundred dollars each. So... it was a stupidly expensive proposition all around, but if you could afford it, you were unquestionably the coolest kid on the block.


Neo Geo CD



Realizing that $650 was waaaaay too much to charge for a game system in the '90s, SNK made another system, the Neo Geo CD, in 1994. The price was $300, which would merely put your parents in the poorhouse instead of bankrupting them, but the bigger upside was that games were priced at a far more rational $50. The biggest advantage to the CD versions of games was that they were given remixed soundtracks. And while remixed soundtracks typically don't turn out so well in games, NGCD music was incredible. Certain games even got bonus modes or other extras that, in some cases, made the CD version preferable to the original cart. There were even a few games exclusive to the CD platform. But while the base hardware was very similar to the normal Neo Geo, CDs lost the advantage of cartridge's massive storage space. This led to certain games (particularly later releases) having some frames of animation cut. Other games didn't make it to the system at all. The biggest problem by far, though, was the CD unit's atrocious load times. Loading a fight can literally take minutes, depending on the game. In the end, the CD system has its advantages, but really isn't an ideal solution for delving into the Neo Geo library.

A revised version of the system, dubbed the Neo Geo CDZ, was released in limited quantities in Japan. It didn't have a faster drive, but it had a different method of caching data, which lead to faster load times. The difference wasn't dramatic, but it was an improvement. Unfortunately, this unit also had issues with overheating, and was ugly.

There was also a front-loading Neo Geo CD system that was limited to about 25,000 units. It was also ugly.

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Specs:


Neo Geo MVS/AES

Processors: Motorolla 68000 (12Mhz, 16-bit), Z80 (Zilog-80a 4Mhz, 8-bit)
Resolution: 320x224
Color Palette: 65,536
Maximum colors on-screen: 4,096
Maximum sprites on-screen: 380
Minimum sprite size: 1x2
Maximum sprite size: 16x512
Maximum amount of game planes: 3
Sound Channels: 4-FM synthesis, 7-Digital Internal, 3-PSG, 1 noise channel
RAM: Internal RAM: 64kb, Video RAM: 68kb, Z80 RAM: 2kb
Memory Card: 8kb or *68-pin JEIDA ver.3 spec memory


Neo Geo CD

Same specs, but the 7MB of RAM was split as such:

68000 Program Memory: 2 MB
Fix Layer Memory: 128 KB
Graphics Memory: 4 MB
Sound Sample Memory: 1 MB
Z80 Program Memory: 64 kB
VRAM: 512Kb
SRAM: 2 KB (For high scores / save data)

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What's the best way to play Neo Geo games today?

The best way is to get a Neo Geo MVS unit, mostly because MVS games are a LOT cheaper than AES games. Unfortunately, it's kinda cumbersome. You'll have to get the MVS hardware (obviously), and you'll also want to either get an arcade cabinet, or a supergun. The MVS won't just conveniently hook up to your TV. And if you go the supergun route, there's the issue of getting controllers that can connect to your supergun. So yeah, it's a bit of a pain.

An easier route is to get a consolized MVS, which is basically MVS hardware that's been rigged to plug into a normal TV. It's definitely a lot more convenient, but it'll cost you. Fortunately, there are units that have component output, so you can get a great experience right out of the box.

You could go with an AES unit, as well, but game prices on home cartridges are ridiculous. Paying $1000 for Metal Slug is fucking stupid. I wouldn't bother.

The most chic option is to get the Neo Geo X, which is a portable system produced by Blaze. It hooks up to your TV, too, if you want to do things the right way. The system comes pre-loaded with 20 games, though in typical SNK fashion, most of the games aren't available for the system and probably never will be. But it does look nice:



The most realistic option is to pick up one of the trillions of console releases.

Avoid anything on the SNES, Genesis, or Turbografx. Those ports suck.

The ports on the Saturn and PS1 vary in quality. None of them are perfect, but the ports of games like Real Bout and Samurai Shodown III and IV on the Saturn are fairly close. Others, like Waku Waku 7, are awful ports, even though they use the RAM cart. I'd chalk that up more to incompetence rather than the Saturn being unable to handle the games, though. The releases on the PS1 have a lot of cut animation, in general. Metal Slug X is, to my knowledge, the only game to come out in the US, and it's also censored.

The Dreamcast ports of games like Garou and Last Blade 2 were merely okay -- they had some sound issues, and Last Blade 2 was censored in the US, but they could have been worse. Twinkle Star Sprites is pretty much an entirely different game than the Neo release.

The PS2 and Xbox ports were hit and miss. Garou on PS2? Good. The gameplay's timing is a little bit off (which can throw off certain combos), but it's close. Last Blade 1/2? Awful. It feels like the entire game is dropping frames. I'm not sure if it's because the PS2 genuinely didn't have enough RAM for the games or if it was just a shitty port job, but it's not good. Metal Slug 3? Good on both systems. They got rid of the slowdown, but the Xbox version is limited to like 5 credits for the entire game... and despite that being a manly way to play, it's kinda dumb. SNK Arcade Classics on PS2? An atrocity. Even the front-end's menus don't run at full speed. Just fucking lazy. So, approach this on a case by case basis.

The Wii is a solid option, for the most part. The games on VC are generally very accurate, and the SNK Arcade Classics Collection is good, too. There are some sound glitches on the latter, but for the most part, it's a decent collection. The only real issue is that Nintendo has some policy in place about flashing lights, and won't let you put them in your game. Something about a lawsuit over Pokemon causing seizures or some shit. I dunno. So anyway, none of the Neo Geo games are allowed to have flashing lights, which means that you lose the hitflashes that let you know you're damaging bosses in games like Metal Slug, for example. And that's really annoying. The Metal Slug Anthology was bad. There were like 5 different control schemes you could choose from, and all of them sucked. It was either using motion controls, or using the Gamecube controller, and even then, it just didn't feel right. And there were no hitflashes.

And then, we have the XBLA and PS3 releases. The XBLA releases seem fairly accurate... but then, there are only a few games on there. Metal Slug 3, Garou: Mark of the Wolves, Fatal Fury Special, and Samurai Shodown II are the only ones that come to mind. They have online play, so that's kinda cool. The PS3 has a thing called Neo Geo Station, which has a smattering of Neo Geo games available, but it's mostly the early Neo Geo games that nobody gives a damn about. The ports were done by M2, which should be good news, though I noticed some inaccuracies in Metal Slug (again, those fucking hitflashes were off), which seems weird for a company that's otherwise an extraordinary port house.

So, yeah. If you want to play Neo Geo games on the consoles you already own, it can be tough. In general, you're going to be dealing with less-than-accurate ports, and there's a distressing hesitance to put anything other than a select few games, most of which suck, on any of the modern systems. I wouldn't be so hard on 'em, except that emulators that offer a superior experience to 99% of SNKP's compilations have been available for like 15 years now, and that's downright pathetic. Welcome to SNK-Playmore, kids!


Huh? What's SNK-Playmore? How is it different than SNK?

SNK died once. Back in 2001. The same year we made contact (according to Capcom vs. SNK 2). A company called Playmore brought them back from the brink, but many argue that they were never the same company afterwards. A lot of people moved around after SNK's supposed death, so a lot of talent that contributed to games like Metal Slug 1-3 weren't around for the comparatively awful Metal Slug 4 and 5.


What's this Unibios thing?

Unibios is a modification that can be made to NeoGeo hardware that lets you dick around with all kinds of settings. You can, for example, change the regional version of the game you're playing (all of the regional versions are included on an MVS or AES cart, regardless of whether it's a Japanese, American, or European version) and remove any censorship that might be present. Or, if you have the MVS cart, you'll be able to play the home version of the game, if you wish. Neat!


Can I play MVS games on my AES system, or vice versa?

No. AES games only work on an AES system, and MVS games only work on an MVS system. Despite that the same data is contained on both cartridges.

So... wait, what's this supergun thing you were talking about earlier?

A supergun is basically a magic box that allows you to play arcade JAMMA boards on your TV or monitor. It hooks up to an arcade PCB (or in this case, your Neo Geo motherboard), and has the audio and video outputs, as well as the controller ports. You can build one yourself, or call on arcade enthusiasts lurking on various message boards to build one for you. Or, you can go through established manufacturers like MAS System. A supergun will run you, at most, around a couple hundred dollars, so it's not quite chump change... but, you don't get into proper Neo Geo gaming unless you're willing to drop some coin.


Which games should I check out first?

If you're trying to delve into Neo Geo games for the first time, I'd recommend Garou: Mark of the Wolves, Last Blade 2, Baseball Stars 2, and King of Fighters 2000; as well as Metal Slug 1, X, and 3. All of those games are accessible, really fun, and make it immediately clear why the Neo Geo is so revered.


I've already played those. Gimme something more obscure!

Check out Windjammers, Breaker's Revenge, Rage of the Dragons, Sengoku 3, Waku Waku 7, and Blazing Star. Sengoku 3, in particular, is a hidden gem.


Which games are exclusive to the Neo Geo CD?

ADK World
Crossed Swords 2
Ironclad
King of Fighters '96 Collection
Mahjong Final Romance 2
Neo Geo CD Special
Samurai Shodown RPG
Zintrick

The only ones you should actually care about, though, are Crossed Swords 2 (worlds better than the original) and Iron Clad. Zintrick is a puzzle game, so you can play it even if you don't know Japanese, but it's not very good. Samurai Shodown RPG is entirely in Japanese. The other games are also in Japanese, but you wouldn't want to play them even if they were in English.


Well, which games are better on Neo CD than on cart?

Depends who you ask, but, I'd just (speaking out of my ass, of course) say:

Art of Fighting 3
Baseball Stars 2
Last Resort
Neo Turf Masters - adds an extra course not in the cart version.
Real Bout Fatal Fury
Samurai Shodown 1 and 2 - those soundtracks are incredible.

Some would also point to Metal Slug 1 and 2 because of the "combat school" modes, though it's worth noting that both games definitely have animation cuts. If you're looking for Neo CD games that best the originals, I'd focus more on the older Neo Geo games. The newer ones (anything past 1996) are where you really run into issues with cut animation.


I don't believe you when you say that Neo Geo games had a high level of artistry. I want proof!

Sure. These are backgrounds from SNK games:











You combine that with the fantastic character art and musical scores typical of SNK games, and you have poetry. Neo Geo games were really the pinnacle of sprite art, and while graphics have gotten more advanced over the years, they haven't necessarily gotten better.


What are Neo Geo fans like?

They're fucking assholes.

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Links:

Neo-Geo.com
Neogeoforlife.com

Arcade Shock
Coin-Op Express

Last Blade 2 Gameplay
Samurai Shodown V Special Gameplay
Sengoku 3 Gameplay
Metal Slug X Gameplay

Last Blade 2 CD Soundtrack
Art of Fighting 3 CD Soundtrack
King of Fighters '96 CD Soundtrack

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ExitPlanetDust
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(07-22-2013, 03:44 AM)
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You made this while you were drunk?
Chacranajxy
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Originally Posted by ExitPlanetDust

You made this while you were drunk?

I'm more eloquent when I'm drunk, which yes, is fucking weird.
ExitPlanetDust
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Originally Posted by Chacranajxy

I'm more eloquent when I'm drunk, which yes, is fucking weird.

Well it's a fucking great OT. Subbed.
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Originally Posted by Chacranajxy

What are Neo Geo fans like?

They're fucking assholes.

Yes Boss!
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(07-22-2013, 03:49 AM)
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Comprehensive!

I'd steer folks away from the Neo Geo X and steer them towards the Wii VC (NA/JPN).

Consolized MVS is freaking expensive...might as well just go with a supergun at that point.

Worth mentioning for those with DEEP pockets is Analoque Interactive CMVS system. Though with the system and a controller you are already looking at $800. That shit is quality...I do have one of the Walnut Seimitsu sticks and it is fly-as-shit.

And fucking everybody need to buy Nam-1975 on Virtual Console. $9 gets you the best Neo Geo game ever made!
woodypop
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(07-22-2013, 03:50 AM)
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The Future Is Now

(Great thread!)
dkeane
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(07-22-2013, 03:51 AM)
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The CDz was ugly? Fuuuuuuck you! :) I love my CDZ. Also the load times are better. It makes Last Blade playable. But yes loading still sucks.
CadetMahoney
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(07-22-2013, 03:58 AM)
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they need to put king of fighters 2002 on that portable tv-hookable thing, not the lame version of franchises.
lilralphie
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And new games are still being released! I just got my limited edition US AES copy of Gun Lord this last week. It's an awesome platformer that reminds me of Super Turrican.



Love the thread.
Overboost
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(07-22-2013, 04:06 AM)
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I was the proud owner of a 4-slot Japanese sit-down MVS cab nearly a decade ago. Had Metal Slug 3, Real Bout Fatal Fury 2, Samurai Shodown V, KOF 2001, Puzzle Bobble, and SNK vs. Capcom Chaos. I loved that thing like it was my child, until I sold it to a friend's arcade for mad profit.

Metal Slug 3 is still one of the greatest games ever made. I paid $200 for it on day one of its MVS release and it was worth every penny.
Vitacat
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(07-22-2013, 04:07 AM)
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Nice thread about a great system.

But in the "What's the best way to play Neo Geo games today?" section you never mentioned PC options. Emulators are the best (and cheapest) way to go. MAME and FinalBurn Alpha emulation of NeoGeo is really good and accurate now. Plug in a console controller and you're golden. Use a notebook with HDMI output, make it look CRT-ish with some filter options, and you're set.
baphomet 666
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(07-22-2013, 04:11 AM)
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Originally Posted by Vitacat

Nice thread about a great system.

But in the "What's the best way to play Neo Geo games today?" section you never mentioned PC options. Emulators are the best (and cheapest) way to go. MAME and FinalBurn Alpha emulation of NeoGeo is really good and accurate now. Plug in a console controller and you're golden. Use a notebook with HDMI output, make it look CRT-ish with some filter options, and you're set.

Of course getting games for free is the cheapest option. Especially when there are tons options on every current gen console right now for literally a few dollars a piece per game.

Just ordered a 1 slot that I'm going to consolize so the girlfriend will have her metal slug fix at home.
Jotamide
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(07-22-2013, 04:13 AM)

Originally Posted by lilralphie

And new games are still being released! I just got my limited edition US AES copy of Gun Lord this last week. It's an awesome platformer that reminds me of Super Turrican.



Love the thread.

WTF? That's like a gazillion dollars on ebay! Or was it another version?

Anyways, never owned a NeoGeo but the output of SNK on those days was the best. Shoutouts to Blazing Star cause no one ever fucking mentions it among the best shmups out there.
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Always been happy with my Dreamcast versions of Garou and Last Blade 2(easily my favorite SNK game). They're not perfect, but damn good, and neither cost me more than $50.
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Originally Posted by cj_iwakura

and Last Blade 2(easily my favorite SNK game).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6c1rEZcKkI#t=4m29s Yum! I'll never get tired of its trappings or its gameplay.
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Originally Posted by cj_iwakura

Always been happy with my Dreamcast versions of Garou and Last Blade 2(easily my favorite SNK game). They're not perfect, but damn good, and neither cost me more than $50.

I'm a little hard on the ports, I'll admit, but I guess that's mostly because I look at it in terms of: "an emulator by some nobody does a better job than the thing I'm paying for," and its hard to be enthusiastic about that. Plus, I know Last Blade 2 didn't even support the VGA box on the Dreamcast. That was disappointing.
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(07-22-2013, 04:25 AM)
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It's 2013 and I still can't afford an Neo Geo (or Games) :/

Anyway, the first person who comes up with a full-fledged Flash Cart for the Neo Geo is gonna become a millionaire.
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Originally Posted by Mlatador

It's 2013 and I still can't afford an Neo Geo (or Games) :/

Anyway, the first person who comes up with a full-fledged Flash Cart for the Neo Geo is gonna become a millionaire.

You mean this, more or less?



Pretty sure whoever made it still lives in a straw hut.
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Originally Posted by Jotamide

WTF? That's like a gazillion dollars on ebay! Or was it another version?

It was definitely expensive (the most I've ever spent on a game), but I bought it directly from the devs not on ebay. Had it preordered for 2 years. It's amazing!
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Originally Posted by lilralphie

It was definitely expensive (the most I've ever spent on a game), but I bought it directly from the devs not on ebay. Had it preordered for 2 years. It's amazing!

Must be absolutely glorious. My only small gripe with the exquisite DC port is the audio transitions and breaks.

I've still got my eye on the MVS reprint and seriously considering grabbing it. But, sheesh, even that is $500.
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Originally Posted by Chacranajxy

I'm a little hard on the ports, I'll admit, but I guess that's mostly because I look at it in terms of: "an emulator by some nobody does a better job than the thing I'm paying for," and its hard to be enthusiastic about that. Plus, I know Last Blade 2 didn't even support the VGA box on the Dreamcast. That was disappointing.

It's not just you, I know an MVS enthusiast who thinks they're the devil printed onto a disc, so I enjoy them just to spite him. :P

It was my first exposure to LB2, so it's near and dear to me.
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Got an AES last fall with 3 games... I really wish there was an easy/cheep way to get games for it.
baphomet 666
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Originally Posted by blizzardjesus

Got an AES last fall with 3 games... I really wish there was an easy/cheep way to get games for it.

They sell mvs to aes converters, but I don't think they're cheap.
Man Puncher
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Just need 2000, '01 and '03 to complete my KoF AES collection.

2003 is going to be a kick in the pants price wise.

Originally Posted by Chacranajxy

What are Neo Geo fans like?

They're fucking assholes.

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Originally Posted by ExitPlanetDust

You made this while you were drunk?

my first thought, haha

this is a top-tier OP for me, so much i didn't know about, by one of Retro-GAF's finest no less. this is like the last big part of my classic game room project, im actually saving this (and less expensive things like rebuying Suiokden 2) for when i finally get my career started up, hopefully later this year, as a reward.

other retro threads on here pointed to mixed stuff on the CD - cheaper games, but apparently really bad loading time on some of em? there's one dude on my local craigslist selling an AES (no wires or anything) for like $425, can't imagine what games go for.

sub'd so hard
CaptainGyro
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I really like that background you posted where it's raining
Silky
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Relevant.

Subbed to thread. Love me some Neo Geo. Spot on with the Neo Geo fan description.
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Originally Posted by Yes Boss!

Must be absolutely glorious. My only small gripe with the exquisite DC port is the audio transitions and breaks.

I've still got my eye on the MVS reprint and seriously considering grabbing it. But, sheesh, even that is $500.

They are shipping the newly made AES snap case at a later time, so it's still not complete. But it was totally cool to have it come with a bonus soundtrack, posters, and some other pack-ins with the manual. What an awesome game. Hits the perfect nostalgia vibe.
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What an excellent thread, OP. Subbed!
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Originally Posted by Yes Boss!

Consolized MVS is freaking expensive...might as well just go with a supergun at that point.

I'm half tempted to do my own CMVS. I'm not that handy with electronics, but I also don't have $500 or whatever to pay someone else to do it for me.
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(07-22-2013, 07:43 AM)
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I wanted to start collecting Neo Geo stuff, but I choked because everything is so $$$$$$.
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Originally Posted by Chacranajxy

Plus, I know Last Blade 2 didn't even support the VGA box on the Dreamcast. That was disappointing.

but it runs in 240p over RGB! that's way more important!
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Without doubt, one of the greatest game consoles of all time and one of the best looking.



The thing was a beast!! As a teenager when it was released it had almost mythical status. The price meant my parents would never buy me one and the status was improved by it being "an arcade machine in your own home".

How did SNK go from almost ruling the arcade world in 1998 to going bust three years later in 2001?

Maybe they weren't as successful as they looked during the 90's. But the arcades were packed full of glorious SNK 2D fighting games.
Rulp
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(07-22-2013, 09:47 AM)
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Neo Geo was, still, and always will be the best as far as 2D gaming goes. It's so pure.
baphomet 666
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Not exactly Neo Geo related, but the Poly Game Master board is like an more powerful MVS. Both are pretty much the epitome of quality sprite based games to me.
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I would really like to get Viewpoint. What you see above is mostly the affordable stuff. $50 or less for many of these. The only others you can find for that price are Fatal Fury, Sengoku, Blue's Journey, The Super Spy, Baseball Stars Professional and maybe one or two others I'm forgetting.

Everything else is like $80 and up... which is still "affordable" depending on your income level.

Neo Turf Masters is not affordable. Mine is a conversion.
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(07-22-2013, 04:55 PM)
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of course my man Dave Long has a badass collection here, haha

wait, they make conversions?
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(07-22-2013, 04:55 PM)
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LOL at the "Neo-Geo fans" are assholes comment. I think that should be amended to "Neo-Geo COLLECTORS are assholes" and then it would be spot on. I was in the midst of all of it during the old DHP Email list days and bit on Neo-Geo.com years back.

I no longer have any Neo-Geo systems, but have owned the following:

-Neo-Geo CD
-Neo-Geo CDZ
-Neo-Geo AES
-Neo-Geo AES w/mod chip
-Neo-Geo AES w/mod chip and S-Video mod

I spent the better part of the late 90s playing Neo-Geo games like crazy. Started out with the CD systems and wound up owning the entire collection of games available in 1997. I was playing the Neo CD/CDZ far more than the PS1 and Saturn at that point.

Switched up to a cart system in 1998 after the CD systems went bust and would usually buy the latest fighters and sell them off, for a profit(!) when the sequels would come out. Absolutely loved this system and its library, and kept buying games for it until late 2003. Didn't see much of a point in owning the system anymore after the mostly-excellent Neo-Geo collections started coming out for the PS2. (Arcade perfect ports with extra modes like training, color edit, and Neo CD soundtracks!) Once KOF '98 UM was released, I sold the system and the remaining games I had off.

Loved how SNK supported this system for so long.
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DoubleTap
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Great thread!

I was so dissapointed with the NeoGeoX even after the update. The composite out got worse and the gamesaves only work if you have the megapack card (or one of the new volume releases) in the slot. I just use it as a handheld for the quick Baseball Stars 2 or SuperSidekicks game. At least it has Garou on it.

If anything It made me buy a japanese AES. I have a small library of my early favorites and filled out the rest (expensive to acquire) with Wii VC releases.
SkylineRKR
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Time to brag!

Part of my stuff:









My Neo is within the 50k range and supports awesome RGB. Its also language switched and I found out later that it has one of those Bios thingies so I can set it to MVS etc. My favourite cart, it may sound weird but its Fatal Fury 3.

I was briefly active on NG.com but I didn't really like the community. I bought the Geo because coin-op Shodown, AoF, Soccer Brawl etc was part of my childhood. Always looked at it in awe knowing that my Sega 16-bit was leagues behind.
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Dave Long
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Originally Posted by IrishNinja

of course my man Dave Long has a badass collection here, haha

wait, they make conversions?

Neo Turf Masters was produced in such low quantities for AES that it's outrageously rare.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SNK-Neo-Turf...item232c9a3681

That one above is available from the chain of retro games stores I visit locally. They're in Lancaster and you can trust them if anyone would actually want to own the real thing...

Apparently SNK produced a lot more MVS carts, and for some of the rarer AES games people have taken to converting some other AES cart to take on the MVS chips from a board like Neo Turf Masters. A friend of mine bought it initially and let it go to me for a song when he went all MVS. Considering how rare the original AES games are, and that you can't play it on an AES unless you have one of those, I would imagine this conversion is worth a little bit too? Either way, it's awesome to be able to play it as it's one of the best arcade golf games ever.
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As a young child, we were insanely poor, poverty level. But i loved neo geo so much, i hustled buying and reselling used games in the local paper and scraping up enough money to buy a Neo Geo AES. I had to sell it and rebuy it again later several times due to money problems, but i'll never forget those days playing Samurai Shodown, Baseball Stars 2, Fatal Fury 2 and so many others in my own home, with 2 controllers, against friends and family alike. Its why neo geo will always be such a big deal to me, the games were just absolutely incredible, and i still play them when i get a chance. They've aged INCREDIBLY well.

Great OP.
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I have been recently tempted to go the "chic" route and get a Neo Geo X.
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I fucking own a goddamn 2-Slot Neo-Geo MVS;
I fucking own a goddamn Neo-Geo AES;
I fucking own three goddamn Neo-Geo Pocket Colors;
I fucking goddamn love the Neo-Geo.
I'm a fucking goddamn asshole!

Great thread.

Metal Slug was the title that introduced me to the Neo-Geo. Finally completed my collection of Metal Slug titles on the MVS recently too! (Yeah I'm not even going to start on the AES versions!) It makes me sad to see what SNK has become today. But I guess it was predictable and inevitable too. Still, I'm looking very forward to hearing any word on Metal Slug 8.
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So the next question for all you diehards... who took their headphones and memory card to the arcade back in the day? :)

Also, SNK isn't what they were, but KoF XIII is a tremendous game and sits very nicely among the best things the company has ever done IMO.
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I was considering a purchase of all the Neo Geo games on the PS3 but this thread has steered me clear.

I wonder if any of the collections that were ported to the PSP are any good just to play around with on the Vita.
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I have no memorycard :)

I was always completely about finishing those games in one sitting. And although most games were ofcourse short, I played them for months. And I would gradually advance further in the likes of Spin Master, Aero fighters 2, Sengoku etc. I loved that 4 Credit stuff.

The one game I always wanted to buy at some point was Sengoku 3, I think its one of the best scrollers ever. As for Turf Masters, its easily the best Golf game I've played.

Best deal I ever made was a Sengoku 2 EU complete, the guy traded it for my Legend of Mana PSX. He said the sound was borked (it turned out to be his Neo, or his ears). I didn't like Sengoku 2 much but I think I got about 300 euros for it back. Same story with Garou MOTW US, bought it for 250, sold for 600. It was a good game, but I am sort of a Fatal Fury 3 fanboy. Plus, I could always buy a JP back but I just stopped with collecting retro at some point. Still, the Neo is never leaving.

I have to say that NG Station is Ps3 is VERY faithful. I mostly play Shodown and Slug trough that (with TE stick) and don't even bother hooking the AES. Plus, there is Shock Troopers!
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Originally Posted by Dave Long

So the next question for all you diehards... who took their headphones and memory card to the arcade back in the day? :)

Also, SNK isn't what they were, but KoF XIII is a tremendous game and sits very nicely among the best things the company has ever done IMO.

Neo Geo in the arcades? Shit. My only experience playing a Neo Geo game in the arcades was at a Pizza Hut where they had a 4-slot with SamSho, Baseball Stars 2, Crossed Swords, and Cyber Lip. I didn't even know about memory cards or headphones.

I liked Crossed Swords and Cyber Lip, thought SamSho was okay, and didn't play Baseball Stars 2. Because I was a fucking idiot.



anyway, I have to update some stuff. I said in the RetroGAF thread I was kinda drunk while writing this, and you can kinda tell when I start going off on a rant in the ports section. And a couple bits of info still need to be added.
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They should patch Cyber Lip with diagonal shot. But I liked it as well, it came out way before Slug.

Originally Posted by Ninja Dom


How did SNK go from almost ruling the arcade world in 1998 to going bust three years later in 2001?

Maybe they weren't as successful as they looked during the 90's. But the arcades were packed full of glorious SNK 2D fighting games.

Arcades started to face a decline since then. Emulators also happened around that time. I remember that even my Pentium 2 could run them flawless. Games would be emulated at the day of release, Slug 2 for example, quite sure I played that in 1998 on PC. It was deadly for a small company like SNK. On the other hand, I would've never known about or bought Last Blade if it weren't for emus. Local arcades stopped carrying 2D and especially niche SNK IP. I was floored when I first played it and needed to have an original.
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