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Redbeard
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(09-23-2005, 10:59 PM)

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Itagaki - X360: "It’s better than PlayStation 3." #1

http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Sto...1500.24632.htm

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GI: You’ve said before you want to develop for the most powerful console out there. You must be pretty confident in the Xbox 360.

Itagaki: Yes. I hope so. I think Xbox 360 is the best game console on the earth. It’s better than PlayStation 3.

GI: Can I ask you why?

Itagaki: PS3 has too complicated of architecture.

I searched so don't give me any heat if it's old.

And to balance out a bit; Volition confirms features cut from Saint's Row because of no standard HDD:

http://www.aussiexbox.com.au/template_sec_games.cfm?

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"Last but not least, after we were told that there was no ability to fly aircrafts in the game due to the DVD drive’s inability to stream the environment fast enough in full 720p resolution. We asked Jacques Hennequet (Producer for Saint’s Row), “If the Xbox 360 Hard Drive was standard across both SKU’s, would flying aircrafts in the game have been a reality?”, Jacques simply answered “Yes”. While he completely understands why MS made the decision to not include a hard drive in the Core System, I think he felt somewhat disappointed, as it could have opened up much more possibilities within the gameplay for Volition’s first Xbox 360 title."
littlewig
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(09-23-2005, 11:04 PM)

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Yep, Itagaki is a tool

News at 11
The Faceless Master
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(09-23-2005, 11:05 PM)

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they should have made the planes only work when the HDD was plugged in... blame it on rising fuel prices grounding the fleet when no HDD is in...
Spike
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Itagaki is your lord and master!!
GeoramA
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Itagaki: Yes. I hope so. I think Xbox 360 is the best game console on the earth. It’s better than PlayStation 3.

PS3 must've launched already in Itagaki's world
Spike
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(09-23-2005, 11:07 PM)

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Originally Posted by GeoramA:
PS3 must've launched already in Itagaki's world

Well, he's got the devkits and you don't, so...
Doom_Bringer
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Ninja Gaiden on PS3 What a joke.
trippingmartian
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Originally Posted by Calidor:
dreamcast was
The successor to the Saturn. Bad comparison.

Xbox is a massive success compared to that dreadful system. Post-Genesis Sega consoles are irrelevant in a discussion of sales/market potential.
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Oh boo hoo it's too complicated boo hoo hoo. Suck it up, sissy.
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I remember hearing how hard the PS2 was to develop for and that 3rd parties would love the GameCube for being easier to develop for back before the GCN launch.

Developers will strain themselves to develop for the PS3 regardless of hardware complexity because that's where the largest fanbase is going to be. More sales are worth the extra effort, especially when the following projects will be easier than each prior one.
littlewig
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So Sony sent Itagaki Dev kits so he could trash the PS3 in an interview?

Come on, he's making something for the PS3.
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He is a freak, so I don't trust him and never did.
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Itagaki: PS3 has too complicated of architecture.

Probably just pissed that porting NG2 from Xbox to PS3 was a pain in the ass ;P
trippingmartian
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Originally Posted by DarknessTear:
Oh boo hoo it's too complicated boo hoo hoo. Suck it up, sissy.
It has more to do with budgets and deadlines than 'sissy' programmers.
Excelion
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Originally Posted by Spike:
Well, he's got the devkits and you don't, so...

Exactly.
Luscious LeftFoot
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(09-23-2005, 11:13 PM)
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And here comes the 20 page thread. Full of arguing, bickering and bannings.
Aika'svyse
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(09-23-2005, 11:13 PM)
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Actually I kinda trust Itagaki
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I'm sure this has nothing to do with Microsoft unloading a Brink's truck to Itagaki's home the morning of that interview
Excelion
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Originally Posted by littlewig:
So Sony sent Itagaki Dev kits so he could trash the PS3 in an interview?

Come on, he's making something for the PS3.

Tecmo is, nothing has been confirmed from Team Ninja.
The Faceless Master
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Originally Posted by Bebpo:
Probably just pissed that porting NG2 from Xbox to PS3 was a pain in the ass ;P
so pissed that he cancelled the port?

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Does anybody else find it slightly ironic that Itagaki is complaining about developing PS3 games because its too hard and yet he rags on people who find Ninja Gaiden too hard and calls them Ninja Dogs? Who's the ninja dog now Itagaki?

Last edited by BigBoss : 09-23-2005 at 11:39 PM.
Andrew2
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I think MGS4 scared him off.
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Ah, so he has just admitted a weakness...

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Does anybody else find it slightly ironic that Itagaki is complaining about developing PS3 games because its too hard and yet he rags on people who find Ninja Gaiden too hard and calls them Ninja Dogs? Whos the ninja dog now Itagaki?

Matlock
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Fanboy bitching, TToB decrying his hatred for Itagaki, personal attacks, lock.
Azelover
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(09-23-2005, 11:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by trippingmartian:
The successor to the Saturn. Bad comparison.

And the Saturn was the successor to the Genesis.
skip
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(09-23-2005, 11:16 PM)

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tons of itagaki fun coming next week. get ready!
Mrbob
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(09-23-2005, 11:16 PM)

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Woooo hahahahhahahahaha.

This thread will end well.

Originally Posted by skip:
tons of itagaki fun coming next week. get ready!

Ohhh, nice. What day is this breaking?
littlewig
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Originally Posted by Jeff-DSA:
I remember hearing how hard the PS2 was to develop for and that 3rd parties would love the GameCube for being easier to develop for back before the GCN launch.


There are a lot of thinks Nintendo didn't do which MS is doing. Nintendo didn't actively go after third party support before the GC was launched, Nintendo also launched too late to really be much competition in terms of marketshare to the PS2, launching with such a poorly designed console really hurt them in this aspect.

All Nintendo had going for themselves was ease of developement, the other negatives outwieghed this postive big time. MS has ease of developement and they are doing everything Nintendo didn't with the Gamecube. If MS can make a big splash this christmas season, Sony won't have another cake walk next generation.
bloke
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(09-23-2005, 11:17 PM)

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Hope Itagaki saw MGS4 trailer and plans to put his words into his work.
Prine
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(09-23-2005, 11:18 PM)

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SONY SELF DEFENCE PROGRAM ACTIVATED

:P

Seriously, he makes awesome looking games. You cant rag on him because you have nothing to throw at him
Pimpbaa
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I don't care which one his team develops for, I'm getting both system. I just want some pictures of doax 2 damnit!
Doom_Bringer
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Originally Posted by Prine:
SONY SELF DEFENCE PROGRAM ACTIVATED

There's no need for self defence, the guy is a MS tool. Also, I remember Temco's president bitching about PS3 earlier this year.
dark10x
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The thread comes down to this...

Itagaki is now making excuses and his Microsoft bias is more clear than ever. The results his team achieved on XBOX spoke for themselves...but DOA4 doesn't impress in the same way. His XBOX games could not have been done on PS2, but his first 360 title would be a walk in the park for the PS3...

With this comment, he is basically admitting that PS3 is more powerful...but too difficult to use.

Considering that PS3 is said to be much easier to work with than PS2 was, I don't think we'll have any problems this gen. His comments only reflect his love of Microsoft, and quite frankly, that's OK. He has a good relationship with them and it's good to see him sticking to his guns (even if he does so in a rather...unique fashion).

Reminds me of the DC days, though. "PSO could NOT be done on PS2" *enter PSU which looks several times better in every way*

Itagaki cracks me up, though, and I hope he continues on as he always has.

Originally Posted by Prine:
SONY SELF DEFENCE PROGRAM ACTIVATED

:P

Seriously, he makes awesome looking games. You cant rag on him because you have nothing to throw at him
There is nothing to defend. He's just shown weakness.

His team does make awesome looking games. Like I said, his XBOX games could have been done only on XBOX (as he always said). That I believe. That is no longer the case.

Last edited by dark10x : 09-23-2005 at 11:25 PM.
SyNapSe
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It's hardly worth posting.. Itagaki just doesn't have a great relationship with Sony. This thread should just be locked. Nothing but tons of flaming and spam can come from this.
Baron Aloha
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(09-23-2005, 11:22 PM)
#36

Originally Posted by BigBoss:
Does anybody else find it slightly ironic that Itagaki is complaining about developing PS3 games because its too hard and yet he rags on people who find Ninja Gaiden too hard and calls them Ninja Dogs? Whos the ninja dog now Itagaki?

Prine
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Originally Posted by Doom_Bringer:
There's no need for self defence, the guy is a MS tool. Also, I remember Temco's president bitching about PS3 earlier this year.


yeah i know, just kidding. Itagaki opinion has more weight than Jaffe though, you gotta admit
sonycowboy
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(09-23-2005, 11:24 PM)
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He's insane, but you gotta respect the man. Here's hoping other devs don't see the PS3 as such a monumental development task. We all assumed that Microsoft would have an edge in the development tools area and that the CELL would be difficult to code, but if we start hearing more about the PS3 development system being difficult, then there could be cause for concern.
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Quote:
Itagaki is now making excuses and his Microsoft bias is more clear than ever. The results his team achieved on XBOX spoke for themselves...but DOA4 doesn't impress in the same way. His XBOX games could not have been done on PS2, but his first 360 title would be a walk in the park for the PS3...

With this comment, he is basically admitting that PS3 is more powerful...but too difficult to use.

Considering that PS3 is said to be much easier to work with than PS2 was, I don't think we'll have any problems this gen.

Itagaki cracks me up, though, and I hope he continues on as he always has.

so true...
GeoramA
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Originally Posted by Doom_Bringer:
There's no need for self defence, the guy is a MS tool. Also, I remember Temco's president bitching about PS3 earlier this year.

A guy who has 5 X360 games planned says PS3 is harder to develop for. Lets run for the hills fellow Sony bots!
Elios83
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(09-23-2005, 11:26 PM)
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LOL Itagaki is not even answering the question properly.
The interviewer talks about his claim of developing for the most powrful hardware and he says Xbox360 is better because PS3 has a too complicated architecture
Excelion
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Originally Posted by Doom_Bringer:
There's no need for self defence, the guy is a MS tool. Also, I remember Temco's president bitching about PS3 earlier this year.

Maybe, just maybe, Sony isn't doing everything right with PS3, unlike what fanboys seem to think?

First people discredit Carmack, now Itagaki. When will it end?
Aika'svyse
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Have to see what more Devs say, it's not like we don't hear this with every Sony console.
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Good ole Itagaki, always the same.
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Quote:
Quote:
"Last but not least, after we were told that there was no ability to fly aircrafts in the game due to the DVD drive’s inability to stream the environment fast enough in full 720p resolution. We asked Jacques Hennequet (Producer for Saint’s Row), “If the Xbox 360 Hard Drive was standard across both SKU’s, would flying aircrafts in the game have been a reality?”, Jacques simply answered “Yes”. While he completely understands why MS made the decision to not include a hard drive in the Core System, I think he felt somewhat disappointed, as it could have opened up much more possibilities within the gameplay for Volition’s first Xbox 360 title."

Could they offer an "aircraft mod" as downloadable content?
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Originally Posted by Prine:
SONY SELF DEFENCE PROGRAM ACTIVATED

:P

Seriously, he makes awesome looking games. You cant rag on him because you have nothing to throw at him

Self-defense?

MS lapdog is blasting Sony that's not even newsworthy. EA, Ubi or Activision guys (aka non-biased) saying the same would be interesting.

Too bad MS can't buy them!

Last edited by Borys : 09-23-2005 at 11:31 PM.
The Faceless Master
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why is it that the guy who has sony in their handle doesnt sound like a fanboy, but all the other people who share the avatar do?
Deku Tree
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(09-23-2005, 11:28 PM)
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Make DOA 4 look better than the MGS4 trailer or STFU Itagaki.
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Originally Posted by sonycowboy:
He's insane, but you gotta respect the man. Here's hoping other devs don't see the PS3 as such a monumental development task. We all assumed that Microsoft would have an edge in the development tools area and that the CELL would be difficult to code, but if we start hearing more about the PS3 development system being difficult, then there could be cause for concern.

The other night someone had quite a few quotes with devs saying that yes the PS3 was more difficult than x360 but actually less difficult than the PS2 was. In the end.. the devs will follow the userbase. Which of course is why MS tried to launch early.. who knows if it will help. Certainly the total "western" gamers is starting to far outpace the total of Japanese gamers. Maybe MS can grab enough of the "western" market to force a split with Sony in terms of marketshare. It doesn't really feel like it right now though.
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#50

Originally Posted by Excelion:
Maybe, just maybe, Sony isn't doing everything right with PS3, unlike what fanboys seem to think?

First people discredit Carmack, now Itagaki. When will it end?

I don't think it does.
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