Gamecube had many problems, but piracy wasn't one those.Systems that are way less mass selling don't survive on piracy. GameCube didn't remain profitable because of piracy. 3DS needs to be appealing for third parties as well.
This is the thing that only does 1 game at a time piracy? No homebrew, no region-free? Total waste of fucking time.
What? No, background updated has been available for over a year. It was added in version 2.0.0-2Originally Posted by Aquamarine
I've had Wifi on to play Animal Crossing: New Leaf, yet it's never automatically updated me to any version.
Maybe that's applicable to later firmware?
EDIT: I just checked, and it's firmware 5.0 added background downloading for updates.
It won't update in background while you are playing a game. You need to close the lid for it to download the update and the blue led will light up when it's done. Basically, unless you are really paranoid about the wireless switch and as much as forgets to turn it off while pausing your gaming to do something else, it should update on its own. Unless you disabled it in the settings, of course.
Version 5.0 simply added the ability to download in background without exiting the eShop first (having the eShop open would pause background downloads, even with the lid closed).
Last edited by M3d10n; 08-06-2013 at 06:14 PM.
Oh okay then.What? No, background updated has been available for over a year. It was added one or two updates after the eShop update.
It won't update in background while you are playing a game. You need to close the lid for it to download the update and the blue led will light up when it's done.
Version 5.0 simply added the ability to download in background without exiting the eShop first (having the eShop open would pause background downloads, even with the lid closed).
Sorry for my misunderstanding!
I must have just got very lucky then if it really is *that* easy for the system to update automatically.
Last edited by Aquamarine; 08-06-2013 at 06:16 PM.
Even if we ignore the fact that the 3DS can be updated and has been already updated to patch this exploit months ago (and will continue to be updated with most major games requiring the updates), your comparison is still flawed.Just to put things in perspective for all the people screaming "USELESS!": Back in 2005, you had to physically solder the card to the PassMe device so that anything on the NDS could work.
Link with a plethora of infos: http://natrium42.com/blog/?m=200503
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The Gateway 3DS is WAY more advanced from the start. So please stop posting nonsense.
The solution in your example came only 5 months after the DS was released. This new 3DS flash cart comes almost 30 months after the 3DS first launched. Huge difference.
Man I do like emulators on my hand held though. Yeah you can buy some games, but you can't buy SNES or Genesis games for 3DS. Also for some reason I like to play rom hacked RBI baseball with current teams and rosters...
yeah it already doesnt work with the latest firmware AFAIK
not to mention its super clunky
i'll buy one when im able to dump my games into a single micro SD and back up my Animal Crossing save
AKA flashcart does what nintendont
not to mention its super clunky
i'll buy one when im able to dump my games into a single micro SD and back up my Animal Crossing save
AKA flashcart does what nintendont
You can already do both things if you buy the digital version, except that save backup is disabled for ACNL because why not.Originally Posted by SalsaShark
i'll buy one when im able to dump my games into a single micro SD and back up my Animal Crossing save
AKA flashcart does what nintendont
AKA eShop does what flashcant (with the added fun risk of having your purchases tied to your system and not an online account, yay).
Love all of the people spouting off that Nintendo will block it (or has blocked it) - of course they will. This has been happening since the dawn of flashcarts. Nintendo updates, so does the flashcart...all you need to do is wait until your cart has an updated firmware - THEN update your 3DS firmware. It's pretty simple. Anyone that owns one knows the routine - never update to the latest official firmware from Nintendo until you've checked what your cart needs first.
ding ding ding(with the added fun risk of having your purchases tied to your system and not an online account, yay).
I've owned a DS flashcart for a while for the convenience of not having to carry around carts. I'll do the same here if I can (as you say without the risk of losing my games if the unit breaks etc)
Sounds like a good way to fuck up your ability to play future games.this installer makes a permanent firmware change to the 3DS.
You can always buy a 2nd 3DS for your flashcart use if you're that afraid. :) A lot of people do it. It's not like this complicated thing and, let's face it, 3DS systems are not that expensive. Especially with used ones being dumped because everyone wants an XL.Sounds like a good way to fuck up your ability to play future games.
The only thing that would make this any sort of useful or long lived is if it were a CFW approach, ala the PSP.
The only DS flashcard to be working still is the Supercard DSTwo, so good luck on the 3DS card, guys at Gateway.
The only DS flashcard to be working still is the Supercard DSTwo, so good luck on the 3DS card, guys at Gateway.
That's the problem with having a console that isn't heavily integrated with online features, a lot of people won't care about not updating.
do some games require firmware updates?
I'd assume they at least have that.
do some games require firmware updates?
I'd assume they at least have that.
For me, I can live with the risk of losing my eShop stuff because the convenience of downloading the games the moment they come out and having all of them on my SD card is pretty great. I've lost so many physical games to my thieving/careless younger siblings/cousins over the years anyway, so it's not like I had much luck with my physical library.Originally Posted by SalsaShark
ding ding ding
I've owned a DS flashcart for a while for the convenience of not having to carry around carts. I'll do the same here if I can (as you say without the risk of losing my games if the unit breaks etc)
I also think Nintendo will switch to an account system someday.
Now watch Nintendo drop DS support in their next 3DS revision.
All I ask for is region free.
oh, that could be, yeahOriginally Posted by Crimsonclaw111
I meant working on the 3DS, sorry. Or at least, last I checked, only the DSTwo works on 3DS still.
I definetly can live with it too, most of my games are still eShop purchases. I'll just avoid it if possible.For me, I can live with the risk of losing my eShop stuff because the convenience of downloading the games the moment they come out and having all of them on my SD card is pretty great. I've lost so many physical games to my thieving/careless younger siblings/cousins over the years anyway, so it's not like I had much luck with my physical library.
I also think Nintendo will switch to an account system someday.
Not knowledgeable on the subject, how does it give a backdoor? What kind of exploit do they use?While this is useless due to the current firmware, it does however give people a back door into the system, which could potentially open the system up to a PSP Pandora type exploit.
There doesn't have to be a point in updating: Games can simply request a certain firmware version. If a game requests 6.0, you have to update. Doesn't matter if there's any feature you care about - the game will simply refuse to work unless you update. It's that simple, really. And there's fuck all the Gateway developers can do about it, because the actual system security hasn't been compromised and such checks can't be circumvented.Originally Posted by Aquamarine
It's really not that rare. A lot of people are really lazy when it comes to updating firmware.
For example, here is a picture I just took of my 3DS:
Take note of the "Ver. 4.5.0-10U."
I haven't updated my 3DS in many months because I don't like the slow updating process, I don't have my 3DS connected to the internet 95% of the time, and I just don't have any need to update it because there haven't been any major reasons to do so.
With no awesome new features since 4.0 (folders), what's the point in updating?
There are millions of other people just like me.
Originally Posted by fabricated backlash
I only ever met one other person who bought legitimate DS games, and that's because he lost his R4 and couldn't wait until he got his replacement, so he bought Mario Kart again.
The DS might be the most pirated console of all time.
The PS2 or PS1 might win, I don't remember anyone actually buying an original game for those.
GC was pirated waaay later in its life, so late it wasn't longer relevant.Systems that are way less mass selling don't survive on piracy. GameCube didn't remain profitable because of piracy. 3DS needs to be appealing for third parties as well.
Last edited by mantidor; 08-06-2013 at 11:16 PM.
ooops dp, sorry
I don't know about the exploit, but they are capable of modifying the 3DS firmware (which is what the gray card does).Originally Posted by Phife Dawg
Not knowledgeable on the subject, how does it give a backdoor? What kind of exploit do they use?
All current flashcarts (SuperDSTwo, AceKard, CycloDS, etc) all are locked in DS mode and don't have access to the 3DS hardware (the same applies to vHBL on the Vita, it runs in PSP mode and doesn't have access to the full Vita hardware, or the hacking of the vWii on the Wii U).
However, since this card runs in full 3DS mode, it gives people a way to attack the console.
If they have full access to the 3DS, it could possibly lead to an exploit that can't be patched by a firmeware update.
That's essentially what happened with Pandora, the only way Sony was able to block it was to release updated PSP's with the exploit patched (which is why Pandora doesn't work on later PSP 2000 or 3000 models). Any PSP that is capable of using a Pandora battery will always be capable of using it. Pandora blew the PSP open because people had full access the hardware (kernel mode) and found an exploit in the CPU code and were able to use it to trigger the PSP's service mode (via a specific battery and memory card).
The gateway card is pretty much doa due to the team struggling to update it. That could be due to lack of experience or Nintendo simply locking it down tight. That said this card is going to be picked up by other card makers, ones with far more experience/skill and that's something to be worried about.
flashcarts didnt cause any nightmares for GBA and DS sales, so no need to be worried
Three if you count the Wii, it's not the hard to softmod a Wii (or the vWii on the Wii U), takes less than 5 minutes with a copy of Smash Bros Brawl.Originally Posted by TalesOfWin
how would you know? Two of the best selling consoles ever (DS and PS2) were also the easiest ones to run "backups" on.
Online gaming is killing piracy, sure there will always be ways to pirate etc
But to keep playing etc requires constant updating and staying ahead, then running the risk of total bans.
I think Sony and Microsoft have been pretty smart this generation, Microsoft seem to let the modders mod, spread the word, wait untill a big release and then fire the ban hammer, and low and behold they are selling units again.
Lets see how wide spread this goes, I don't think that much
But to keep playing etc requires constant updating and staying ahead, then running the risk of total bans.
I think Sony and Microsoft have been pretty smart this generation, Microsoft seem to let the modders mod, spread the word, wait untill a big release and then fire the ban hammer, and low and behold they are selling units again.
Lets see how wide spread this goes, I don't think that much
Not an advice people followed when someone disliked eShop. Let him dislike whatever he wants to dislike.Can we please not start this? Let him like whatever he wants to like.
Still, eShop is a more than acceptable loss if it means Region Free, maybe not for me (or maybe yes...eShop largely sucks IMO) or others, but definetly more than one person out there.
I....can...play Japanese games now?
But that's not what I'm getting at. I know some people don't like eShop (and that's fine) so it wouldn't matter to them, so there's merits in that.Originally Posted by Relaxed Muscle
Not an advice people followed when someone disliked eShop. Let him dislike whatever he wants to dislike.
Still, eShop is a more than acceptable loss if it means Region Free, maybe not for me (or maybe yes...eShop largely sucks IMO) or others, but definetly more than one person out there.
My point is that I just wish some of the responses here should've been nicer. (For example FullMetalx117's post came across as rude to me :/)
For me, that's like... half the decent games on the 3DS gone. Sure it opens up some interesting JP only titles but... ones I wouldn't be able to fully enjoy with my limited bilingualism. I'll take Pushmo any day.Originally Posted by Relaxed Muscle
Not an advice people followed when someone disliked eShop. Let him dislike whatever he wants to dislike.
Still, eShop is a more than acceptable loss if it means Region Free, maybe not for me (or maybe yes...eShop largely sucks IMO) or others, but definetly more than one person out there.
It's not so simple. First, this flashcard has ZERO homebrew capabilities. It can only run unmodified encrypted ROMs because it does not "modify the firmware" at all: the firmware is also a fully encrypted blob of code that can't be patched by 3rd parties without the private keys that only exist inside Nintendo HQ.I don't know about the exploit, but they are capable of modifying the 3DS firmware (which is what the gray card does).
All current flashcarts (SuperDSTwo, AceKard, CycloDS, etc) all are locked in DS mode and don't have access to the 3DS hardware (the same applies to vHBL on the Vita, it runs in PSP mode and doesn't have access to the full Vita hardware, or the hacking of the vWii on the Wii U).
However, since this card runs in full 3DS mode, it gives people a way to attack the console.
If they have full access to the 3DS, it could possibly lead to an exploit that can't be patched by a firmeware update.
That's essentially what happened with Pandora, the only way Sony was able to block it was to release updated PSP's with the exploit patched (which is why Pandora doesn't work on later PSP 2000 or 3000 models). Any PSP that is capable of using a Pandora battery will always be capable of using it. Pandora blew the PSP open because people had full access the hardware (kernel mode) and found an exploit in the CPU code and were able to use it to trigger the PSP's service mode (via a specific battery and memory card).
What the DS card does is probably a different exploit that writes garbage to the writable DS firmware memory that somehow disables a hardware check they couldn't replicate with their own hardware.
Before 5.0 was out, Neimrod did found an explot that allowed unsigned code. He didn't release it because he knew the exploit was fragile and could be fixed with a firmware update (which did happen). I'm not sure if this card uses that exploit or even if that exploit could be used to execute encrypted ROMs at all.
The fact that Nintendo can somehow hinder 1:1 copies of 3DS games in any capacity is an amazing feat that shows how far along they got in terms of security. In theory, a piece of hardware that plugs into the 3DS cartridge slot and sends exactly the same data as a real 3DS card is inevitable and should be unblockable, since it doesn't rely on unsigned code.
I want this thing to die.
All I'm saying is that it could give someone who's more knowledgeable in stuff like this a potential back door.It's not so simple. First, this flashcard has ZERO homebrew capabilities. It can only run unmodified encrypted ROMs because it does not "modify the firmware" at all: the firmware is also a fully encrypted blob of code that can't be patched by 3rd parties without the private keys that only exist inside Nintendo HQ.
What the DS card does is probably a different exploit that writes garbage to the writable DS firmware memory that somehow disables a hardware check they couldn't replicate with their own hardware.
Before 5.0 was out, Neimrod did found an explot that allowed unsigned code. He didn't release it because he knew the exploit was fragile and could be fixed with a firmware update (which did happen). I'm not sure if this card uses that exploit or even if that exploit could be used to execute encrypted ROMs at all.
The fact that Nintendo can somehow hinder 1:1 copies of 3DS games in any capacity is an amazing feat that shows how far along they got in terms of security. In theory, a piece of hardware that plugs into the 3DS cartridge slot and sends exactly the same data as a real 3DS card is inevitable and should be unblockable, since it doesn't rely on unsigned code.
Nintendo please update the 3DS firmware to be region free, I want to import some games :(
knowing Nintendo that will not happen and I might have to use a card like this to import and play the games I get interested in (If a card that allows free region was ever made).
knowing Nintendo that will not happen and I might have to use a card like this to import and play the games I get interested in (If a card that allows free region was ever made).
OP updated.
The exploit is in the wild.
It seems that the exploit should work on any regular DS flash cart and this German video speculates that we will be seeing many cheap 3DS flash cartridges clones soon.
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The exploit is in the wild.
It seems that the exploit should work on any regular DS flash cart and this German video speculates that we will be seeing many cheap 3DS flash cartridges clones soon.
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Last edited by $h@d0w; 08-08-2013 at 06:11 AM.
weirdIt seems that the exploit should work on any regular DS flash cart
i'd give it a go just to see if its true but my 3DS is on latest firmware
I guess this means that flashcart makes could just release a firmware update to make DS ones work with 3DS games, but they'll obviously wont do that cause they'd prefer to sell you a new one
Oh no, this works by using the DS BC? Great, that just gives Nintendo an excuse to drop DS mode from the next 3DS revision :/
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