Why not just try to westernize asap? As Japan, an obvious strategy is heading for the Americas asap and trying to border a European core there so you can westernize off them. I did that in a recent MP game as Brunei/Malaya except with West Africa instead of the Americas.There is nothing you can do against Western countries, don't even try.
During my Japan game I was playing off of a CK2 save file with Sunset Invasion DLC on, which upgraded the Aztecs/Incans/Mayans to what is effectively the American tech group.
Yeah, not pleasant.
EDIT: I guess you COULD try to ally them first, or befriend Castille/Spain, or France or Britain, but like, getting those guys to be your friends is really difficult.
One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
(12-02-2013, 09:11 AM)
That is true, I had forgotten about Westernization because I've never pulled it off yet.
It's not an easy or comfortable process, but definitely doable and the rewards are grand indeed. To illustrate:That is true, I had forgotten about Westernization because I've never pulled it off yet.
Brunei/Malaya (Multiplayer), other player is Great Britain. Shun, Tibet, Nepal, Shan, Ethiopia, Sind, Punjab and Golkonda are my vassals.
What I did there was take exploration as my first idea and make my way around Africa as quick as possible, eventually bordered Spain in West Africa, started westernization and then immediately sold the province to Mali (who have since lost it to Portugal). So I was able to dominate my neighbours rather quickly with Western tech. I still absolutely dominate East Asia and was actually able to largely prevent European powers from gaining a foothold. I'll need to take the entire Indian region to really secure that though, because Euros always get missions there and want the East India Trade Company decision. Austria leading a PU with Spain sort of sucks too :X
Edit: Oh, I should add, only start westernization when you have a good ruler with regard to admin points. You will need a lot of them as you need positive stability to make progress and stability cost is like +200% during westernization. Westernization events are very very bad, so you definitely don't want it to be a 50 year process.
Last edited by Kabouter; 12-02-2013 at 10:31 AM.
Malaya must have one of best colours in the game, love that deep purple.
One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
(Yesterday, 06:43 AM)
Manchu is... unplayable. There is just no way to play them that's not soulcrushingly painful. It makes Ming look like easymode.
First try: Ally Ming, move against Korea. Most of it taken, then it becomes vassalized by Ming and Ming drops alliance. Oirat Horde somehow took ALL of Chagatai in one go and I can't afford to attack them (seriously how is that possible? I've tried this like 3 times and at most I can get maybe one or two provinces before I'm exhausted). Ended up in a loop whereby rebels spawned every few months, complaining I'm not warring enough. Well no shit, I depleted my entire MP pool and these rebellions are keeping me there in a never ending rebellion loop.
Second try: Ally Ming, move against Korea. Half of it taken. Then I turn my attention towards Mongol Khanate. Half of that taken. Ming drops alliance. Korea allies Ming. I spend a decade or two trying to colonize northwards but eventually I was dragged into the rebel loop.
Third try: Ally Ming and Korea, move against Mongol Khanate. They already allied with Tibet. I win the war but by the end both Korea and Ming drop alliance. Wound up in rebel loop.
Fourth try: Ally Ming and Korea, move against Mongol Khanate immediately (preventing them from allying Tibet). Take two provinces and call it quits so my allies don't get cold feet. Enjoy maybe 5 years of building up my country before the truce drops and immediately 17 rebels spawn near my capital because I'm not warring enough. I kill them. One month later, another 17 rebels spawn in the exact same province while my army was on its last legs from the last fight (only about 6 troops left).
I'm done, no more hordes for me until they overhaul this fucking stupid mechanic.
First try: Ally Ming, move against Korea. Most of it taken, then it becomes vassalized by Ming and Ming drops alliance. Oirat Horde somehow took ALL of Chagatai in one go and I can't afford to attack them (seriously how is that possible? I've tried this like 3 times and at most I can get maybe one or two provinces before I'm exhausted). Ended up in a loop whereby rebels spawned every few months, complaining I'm not warring enough. Well no shit, I depleted my entire MP pool and these rebellions are keeping me there in a never ending rebellion loop.
Second try: Ally Ming, move against Korea. Half of it taken. Then I turn my attention towards Mongol Khanate. Half of that taken. Ming drops alliance. Korea allies Ming. I spend a decade or two trying to colonize northwards but eventually I was dragged into the rebel loop.
Third try: Ally Ming and Korea, move against Mongol Khanate. They already allied with Tibet. I win the war but by the end both Korea and Ming drop alliance. Wound up in rebel loop.
Fourth try: Ally Ming and Korea, move against Mongol Khanate immediately (preventing them from allying Tibet). Take two provinces and call it quits so my allies don't get cold feet. Enjoy maybe 5 years of building up my country before the truce drops and immediately 17 rebels spawn near my capital because I'm not warring enough. I kill them. One month later, another 17 rebels spawn in the exact same province while my army was on its last legs from the last fight (only about 6 troops left).
I'm done, no more hordes for me until they overhaul this fucking stupid mechanic.
Last edited by Haly; Yesterday at 05:43 PM.
How do you Westernise, exactly? I'm bordering Russia and Portugal cores, at 3 stability and lagging behind by like 9 tech levels but the button's still grey.Why not just try to westernize asap? As Japan, an obvious strategy is heading for the Americas asap and trying to border a European core there so you can westernize off them. I did that in a recent MP game as Brunei/Malaya except with West Africa instead of the Americas.
You need to be at peace, that's about all I can think of that might be messing you up. Russia by the way probably won't help given that they're probably still in the Eastern tech group, but you should be able to westernize off of Portugal.Originally Posted by EndcatOmega
How do you Westernise, exactly? I'm bordering Russia and Portugal cores, at 3 stability and lagging behind by like 9 tech levels but the button's still grey.
Oh, for sure, in general one of my favourite nations to play both in EU3 and EU4.Malaya must have one of best colours in the game, love that deep purple.
Hmm. What counts as a neighbouring province? I can fabricate claims on some Portuguese cores, but they're islands; does westernisation strictly need a land connection?You need to be at peace, that's about all I can think of that might be messing you up. Russia by the way probably won't help given that they're probably still in the Eastern tech group, but you should be able to westernize off of Portugal.
could it be something to do with the event to close borders?
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