So you're saying 200 games for a pack isn't bad? That's like 30 hours at 10 mins a game.Surprise surprise, the game isn't a charity and they expect people to spend money to play it.
Crazy I know.
They must have sent out alot of keys today or something. Got one myself and installing now.
Welp, my friend really, really wants to play with me.
I'd buy a key for 10 dollars I suppose; please PM me if interested.
I'd buy a key for 10 dollars I suppose; please PM me if interested.
Woohoo! I just got in. I played the first 6 matches (tutorial) during my lunch. I can see myself getting into this.
+1Shame Arena is $2 a go, why can't I get a card game that doesn't try and fuck me if I want to play a mode that doesn't favor people who spend a ton of cash.
Really looking forward to a good online card game that doesn't shit all over me. Duel of Champions is alright but the "meta" seemed super stale. Hopefully they fix up Hearthstone, else I have to wait and pray for Hex.
BTW anyone think that lack of chat in matches is stupid?
I kinda liked that. Everything about the game screams positive reinforcement though. I don't even think your losses are shown on your stat screen, only wins.BTW anyone think that lack of chat in matches is stupid?
There are daily quests as well that net gold.So you're saying 200 games for a pack isn't bad? That's like 30 hours at 10 mins a game.
Man, I get into betas like no other. Yet I never seem to get into Blizzard betas.
I'd also be down to pay a small sum of dolla dolla bills for access, if anyone were interested.
I'd also be down to pay a small sum of dolla dolla bills for access, if anyone were interested.
I'm also willing to buy a key.
PM me if anybody has a spare.
PM me if anybody has a spare.
I suppose I'll throw my hat into the ring as well with wanting to buy a key (as Optiate, I'm not interested in a bidding war). If you have a spare beta key, and want to sell it for a reasonable price let me know.
Got in the beta! Installing now...
I actually like that secondary element, I played Cabal very briefly. It's an interesting game that sadly has a terrible freemium plan and lacks a lot of card diversity.
It is. You are getting nearly 3 packs per week without putting a single penny into the game, it's not that bad when you think of it like that. I think people are expecting too much from a f2p game. Any talk of pay to win is nonsense as well. I haven't put a single penny into the game and I have not had any trouble actually winning games against people who have dumped cash into the game (or gotten really lucky to have so many of those cards that they do).i thought it was more like basically a free pack every 2.5 days if you do the dailies
That's 15 cards a week, and then you need to hope they're for the class you like to play. It does seem pretty close to Pay 2 Win, when it takes so much time to unlock a pack when they're so much "easier" to buy.Originally Posted by ZenaxPure
It is. You are getting nearly 3 packs per week without putting a single penny into the game, it's not that bad when you think of it like that. I think people are expecting too much from a f2p game. Any talk of pay to win is nonsense as well. I haven't put a single penny into the game and I have not had any trouble actually winning games against people who have dumped cash into the game (or gotten really lucky to have so many of those cards that they do).
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Guys, just to make it clear, I'm not poor. In fact, I'm rather wealthy for a young single guy; without getting in to many specifics, I have hundreds of thousands of dollars in investments and zero debt (Well, 300 on my credit card for the month).Originally Posted by Yoshichan
This post made me sad :(
I'm not unable to afford it, I'm just very stingy with my money, and my friend isn't upset if I'm unwilling to spend 15 (20? 25? 30? 100?) just to have access to a free to play game a month early (or is it not coming out for longer than that? I guess I don't know).
So by all means, beat the crap out of me in bid wars. I'm happy to lose and you should not feel bad for a guy who can certainly afford to buy in but chooses not to.
Wanna change that ;)?Guys, just to make it clear, I'm not poor. In fact, I'm rather wealthy for a young single guy; without getting in to many specifics, I have hundreds of thousands of dollars in investments and zero debt (Well, 300 on my credit card for the month).
I'm not unable to afford it, I'm just very stingy with my money, and my friend isn't upset if I'm unwilling to spend 15 (20? 25? 30? 100?) just to have access to a free to play game a month early (or is it not coming out for longer than that? I guess I don't know).
So by all means, beat the crap out of me in bid wars. I'm happy to lose and you should not feel bad for a guy who can certainly afford to buy in but chooses not to.
/liftspantsleg
This game has so much charm its ridiculous. I love all the voice overs and animations. I can't believe this is going to be a free game. Sure you can buy packs if you want to, but you can still earn them without spending a dime.
Off to play more. Wish I could unlock another class, although I'm owning on this mage deck.
Off to play more. Wish I could unlock another class, although I'm owning on this mage deck.
Not all dailies are 40g. There is one that give 100. Plus there are other one off quests that give a bunch of different stuff. Everything from gold to a fucking wow mount.That's 15 cards a week, and then you need to hope they're for the class you like to play. It does seem pretty close to Pay 2 Win, when it takes so much time to unlock a pack when they're so much "easier" to buy.
And that isn't even taking the Arena into account.
You get cards faster than you think. Go watch some streams.
That is not what pay to win means though. Pay to win means you HAVE to put money into the game to win. This is not like that at all, you can make a very good deck capable of taking on anything with just the basic cards. The basic cards are unlocked from getting a class to level 10. If this was pay to win you would be fucked sideways without putting any cash into the game. The fact of the matter is this isn't like that at all.That's 15 cards a week, and then you need to hope they're for the class you like to play. It does seem pretty close to Pay 2 Win, when it takes so much time to unlock a pack when they're so much "easier" to buy.
Opiate's beeing hit on now :p
Anything for that sweet sexy monkiness! ;)
Anything for that sweet sexy monkiness! ;)
Installing now. I'm quite excited. The whole idea of a digital card game has long been appealing to me, but for some reason I never got around to picking one up. This will be a good introduction, I think.
On a side-note, the new launcher is neat. I was much surprised when I saw some old friends online in WoW. It doesn't seem I can talk to them, though?
On a side-note, the new launcher is neat. I was much surprised when I saw some old friends online in WoW. It doesn't seem I can talk to them, though?
This is entirely my point though, you are not absolutely required to put money into Hearthstone to win, the decks you can create once you've completed a basic set (getting a class to level 10) are good decks. Buying packs of cards just means you have a bigger variety to build your decks from.This is how exactly P2W is called in most F2P games.
People are going to have an advantage early on if they spend money. That's what P2W means. Instead, you can play for like a year ( or however long it takes) to get all the cards you want in your decks. By that time, they will have released more cards.Originally Posted by ZenaxPure
This is entirely my point though, you are not absolutely required to put money into Hearthstone to win, the decks you can create once you've completed a basic set (getting a class to level 10) are good decks. Buying packs of cards just means you have a bigger variety to build your decks from.
I'm going to guess something like http://www.hearthpwn.com/cards/203-illidan-stormrage is just better than anything you'll find for free.
Yeah, but thats the same as in every other game that is called P2W or have P2W elements, like World of Tanks for example.Originally Posted by ZenaxPure
This is entirely my point though, you are not absolutely required to put money into Hearthstone to win, the decks you can create once you've completed a basic set (getting a class to level 10) are good decks. Buying packs of cards just means you have a bigger variety to build your decks from.
Hell, some people call League of Legends pay to win, when it does microtransaction stuff in way, way less intrusive way than Hearthstone.
Just got my invite.
New wave I'm guessing.
New wave I'm guessing.
Uhm to the people saying its pay to win, did you ever play Magic?
Its kind of inherent to the genre in some ways.
If someone forks over 1000 bucks they might have better cards yes, but they still need to use them right.
If someone forks over 1000 bucks they might have better cards yes, but they still need to use them right.
Yeah, but it's also easily countered by basic (as in non-expert pack) cards like polymorph, assassinate, or execute. In the games I've played so far, a card like that won't last long on the table.I'm going to guess something like http://www.hearthpwn.com/cards/203-illidan-stormrage is just better than anything you'll find for free.
Got my beta e-mail earlier today. Going to dig into this tonight.
Except... you still have to pay for every pack (card) regardless. At that point it's just luck. Here, if you pay, you have access to more cards earlier that those that do not. In your example, someone could spend $1000 and someone could spend $100 and have the exact same cards. One person would just have more cards (quantity not diversity) than the other. In this game, you can spend $1000 and theoretically get every single card day one where as it would take someone a much longer time to get them all.Its kind of inherent to the genre in some ways.
If someone forks over 1000 bucks they might have better cards yes, but they still need to use them right.
edit2: An easier way to say it is, you're paying to circumvent time. Magic, you pay to play the game in it's entirety.
edit: Battle.net getting hammered it seems.
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I really don't think you understand, have you played the game? There are a ton of counters in the game for any "amazing" card people get from a pack that makes them laughable. Illidan like linked above? What do I care, I have an assassinate to take care of anything like that. There are a bunch of other counters as well. My FREE rogue deck alone has around 6 or 7 cards that could kill or keep that illidan off the field for a very long time.Originally Posted by Lactose_Intolerant
People are going to have an advantage early on if they spend money. That's what P2W means. Instead, you can play for like a year ( or however long it takes) to get all the cards you want in your decks. By that time, they will have released more cards.
The game is structured so that you are never going to have a deck made entirely out of cards you got from booster packs, a lot of the basic cards are extremely good that even if you bought 50 packs of stuff you would still want cards like Polymorph, Hex, Assassinate, Backstab, etc. in your deck (all of which are free cards).
So four daily quests to enter the Arena. Or 3 + a bunch of wins.You get 40g from the daily, so one pack every 2.5 days. But if you want to get more you can only get gold from wins.
This is the number I was looking for, thanks.
As someone who mainly wants to play draft that's right on the border of what I would accept in this game. If it was just slightly more generous I would be 100% in because I could guarantee lots of drafts.
Have you ever played a card game before like the game?
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