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Dawg
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(08-30-2013, 11:58 AM)
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During Gamescom, our site had the opportunity to interview Kamiya for 45 minutes. We had the chance to ask a few (very?) interesting questions and I think NeoGAF might be interested in a couple of the answers. This is why I decided to translate the interview and make this thread. Hope you enjoy it.



We have played W101 and we noticed it was a big tribute to the Super Sentai (a Japanese genre where the Power Rangers are the biggest Western example). That genre got very popular over here too. Are you a big fan of it as well?

Kamiya: Obviously!

Is the game, with all the different characters and combinations they use, also a tribute to that genre? Especially the idea of their transformation and their combinations as we see that in Power Rangers too.

Kamiya: The original concept of W101 was an all-star Nintendo game. But how do you keep all those fans of all those franchises happy? So my idea was to put all of them in the game at start, instead of making them appear in the game later on. The next step then, was to conceive what to do with all those characters. Since I've got all of them anyway, I can combine them to make (for example) an airplane or something. When we had this concept, we decided to scrap the all-star idea and make a game about superheroes. So actually, the idea to use transformations and combinations was in there way before we decided to go with superheroes.

It's a very Japanese way of thinking: bundling all sorts of powers to create something stronger and bigger.

Kamiya: Yes, in the game you have to combine superheroes to create a bridge, you do this by drawing a straight line on the gamepad.

Something IGN had a had hard time doing. I don't know if you've seen the video?

Kamiya: Yes, I saw it. (This question was answered without the intervention of the translator and with a smile on Kamiya's face, which a lot of attendees seemed to find hilarious)

How did you meet Iwata?

Kamiya: We've met briefly during a prior E3 and then I introduced myself to him. It took till Iwata Asks (a series of interviews about Nintendo) that I could really meet him though. Back then, I brought five games he worked on and asked him if he wanted to sign them.

In that interview, you talked about Resident Evil 2, a less succesful game of yours. How do you look back at that period? You've admitted you failed there. Is that something typical for the Japanese gaming industry? Having the guts to admit you made a bad game.

Kamiya: I don't know if it's typical for the entire industry, but about Resident Evil 2: I've been fortunate to get a second chance, together with the Capcom Production Studio 4 team, to create Devil May Cry. Together with my team, we made that game with a "Crash & Build" mindset. We invent something and we try it out. If it doesn't work, we decompose it, leave out the bad stuff and continue with the good ideas. I believe this form of trial & error leads to better games. It's a philosophy I have carried with me to Platinum Games.

If we continue on the idea of Crash & Build: in Iwata Asks, you said that W101 had the longest dev cycle of all the games Platinum Games made. Was that specific philosophy a reason of that and what was the final effect of that cycle on the game?

Kamiya: During the development of W101, we didn't really came across many problems. The main reason for the long dev cycle was the amount of content. Usually, we have to cancel a portion of the ideas our team proposals, but this time everyone had excellent ideas from the start and we decided to add most of them to the game. Because of this, not only did our staff increase, we also required more time to finish the game. The result of this is a game that has a lot of content.

Do you think the games you make get the attention they deserve from gamers? If we are not mistaken, you recently had some critique about the fact that (mostly Western) gamers focus too much about reviews and that the media has a big influence on what the gamers will do.

Kamiya: I don't really know the influence of European and American media, but at one point I received so many tweets about the score of W101, that I just got sick of it. I do have the feeling gamers look to much at these scores. Especially because I create new IP's and not familiar franchises. I make games because I like them, not because I want to receive high scores. It's partly caused by the industry itself as well though. There's an overflow of games, including inferior games. Because of this, gamers aren't as adventurous anymore.

Does that make it harder to find money to create new games, in comparison to maybe... 20 years ago?

Kamiya: For me, the eighties were the golden age of gaming. Back then, playing a new game was still about experimenting. There were so many games nobody ever heard of. These days, that's harder because of the higher development costs, which in turn makes the industry less adventurous and it creates less new ideas. That's why I'm glad Platinum Games gets a lot of creative freedom. If management tells me to make a specific game, I will do that, but currently it's our team that comes up with the ideas and not management.

With the help of Nintendo, we will be able to play Bayonetta 2 after all. How will you push this title to the next level while still keeping gamers satisfied? They often want conflicting things. They want new ideas, but still more of the same. How do you deal with that?

Kamiya: I don't really have a problem with making sequels. Above all, I want to make games that are fun. This is the most important thing for me. So next to new IP's, I also like to make sequels. The point you're making however, is very good. With the first title of a new franchise, there are so many good ideas, so many things you want to do. Unfortunately, you can't use all of them in the game. In the sequel, you can use cancelled ideas from the first game. I do have the feeling most of those ideas are used when you reach the third game though and that developers only make a third game because the fans want it. That's why I don't really see a Bayonetta 3 happening in the future. I am fortunate that I am able to create many games from scratch.

Speaking about sequels. Would you consider a sequel of Okami, maybe on Wii U?

Kamiya: That question gets asked a lot and its something gamers clearly want, so if I am able to, I will definitely make it. But gamers want so many sequels, I don't even know where to begin.

How will you fill the gap between Bayonetta and Bayonetta 2 for gamers who haven't played the first game?

Kamiya: That's not something I'm fixated on. The most important thing is to create a game everyone likes to play.

Do you consider yourself a person who makes a lot of action games in particular, or would you like to create something else too?

Kamiya: I don't really look at the genre of a game before I start developing it. I just want to make something that is fun. Even within the action genre, I have created many different sorts of games and something like Okami is on a whole other level than most of my games.

Original (Dutch): http://wiiu.4gamers.be/specials/2944...Platinum-Games
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Resilient
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(08-30-2013, 11:59 AM)
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Tears for an Okami sequel...but I need VJ3 first..
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(08-30-2013, 12:04 PM)
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Rad, thanks for english.

What a boss.
Resilient
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(08-30-2013, 12:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by Jintor

Rad, thanks for english.

What a boss.

This guy is extremely genuine and one of my fav in the industry. He really speaks from the heart. Least I hope so!
Sendou
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(08-30-2013, 12:05 PM)
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"But gamers want so many sequels, I don't even know where to begin."

Sounds about right. And at the other side of the spectrum there are gamers who consider sequels the bane of this industry.
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(08-30-2013, 12:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by Kamiya

That's why I don't really see a Bayonetta 3 happening in the future. I am fortunate that I am able to create many games from scratch.


Thats.......unfortunate, but to be expected. By a third game im guessing she would outstayed her welcome. Still, its a shame she is going to go out on a dead platform.
boinx
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(08-30-2013, 12:06 PM)
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Resident Evil 2 a bad game? What the hell man it's one of the best in the series if you ask me. :X
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The Dutch Slayer
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(08-30-2013, 12:06 PM)
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Dawg that was one fantastic interview! very very well done!

To bad we did not get to meet at Gamescom this year, hopefully next year.
wizzbang
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(08-30-2013, 12:07 PM)
PLEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASEEEEEEEEEEEEE


Sits above my couch, it's over a metre across.
And yes, between Okami 2 and Bayonetta 2, I'd buy a Wii U,...... for literally 2 games.
Linkstrikesback
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(08-30-2013, 12:08 PM)
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okami sequel? Never gonna happen.

Oh, no, wait.

Dawg
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(08-30-2013, 12:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by The Dutch Slayer

Dawg that was one fantastic interview! very very well done!

To bad we did not get to meet at Gamescom this year, hopefully next year.

Yeah, my day was pretty much filled with presentations so I couldn't join the meet :( Let's hope for next year indeed :)
danthefan
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(08-30-2013, 12:09 PM)
I was a kid when Resi 2 came out, it was a failure? Wut?
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Viewtiful Joe 3 and Okami sequel from Kamiya = HNNNNNNNNNNGGGG
Phazon
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(08-30-2013, 12:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by Dawg

Yeah, my day was pretty much filled with presentations so I couldn't join the meet :( Let's hope for next year indeed :)

And maybe, just maybe, I'll come with you then ^^
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(08-30-2013, 12:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by danthefan

I was a kid when Resi 2 came out, it was a failure? Wut?

It's the best RE after REmake. However, it's development was a failure. It had to be completely redone at one point.
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Nice interview, thanks for sharing!
Vegivo
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Originally Posted by danthefan

I was a kid when Resi 2 came out, it was a failure? Wut?

It was the first m rated game I played lol
danthefan
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(08-30-2013, 12:13 PM)

Originally Posted by Spieler Eins

It's the best RE after REmake. However, it's development was a failure. It had to be completely redone at one point.

Ahh right, thanks. I was thinking it was a brilliant game. Haven't played out for a long time though.
Alcoholikaust
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(08-30-2013, 12:14 PM)
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an okami sequel on anything but Nintendo hardware please-
Dawg
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(08-30-2013, 12:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by Spieler Eins

It's the best RE after REmake. However, it's development was a failure. It had to be completely redone at one point.

Yeah, this was what we meant :)
Spieler Eins
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Originally Posted by Alcoholikaust

an okami sequel on anything but Nintendo hardware please-

But they pretty much have the best hardware for Okami right now. The one on which, you know, one can actually really draw.
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(08-30-2013, 12:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by ThoughtsOfSpeaking

Thats.......unfortunate, but to be expected. By a third game im guessing she would outstayed her welcome. Still, its a shame she is going to go out on a dead platform.

Yep its a shame it didnt just die after the first game. Shitty ass Nintendo giving it a 2nd chance
Phazon
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Originally Posted by Alcoholikaust

an okami sequel on anything but Nintendo hardware please-

That painting mechanism could be the most interesting thing on the Wii U imo (Wiimote or GamePad)
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(08-30-2013, 12:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by boinx

Resident Evil 2 a bad game? What the hell man it's one of the best in the series if you ask me. :X

Kamiya Yes. But immediately after, when Mikami-san made me director of Resident Evil 2, I messed up in a big way. As a result of saying okay to everything that came up, it turned out horrible. We had to scrap what we had spent a year and a half making.

Iwata Precisely because the director bears full responsibility for the result, the director has the authority to make all decisions.

Kamiya So everything that didn't work out was my fault as director. Resident Evil 2 was receiving attention as one of Capcom's new big titles, so the news quickly spread throughout the company. I felt like people were staring at me in the company cafeteria and saying, "That's him! That's the guy who ruined Resident Evil 2!" It was a shock, and very hard.

Iwata It must have been quite a depressing experience having only been in the company about three years, at that young age.

Kamiya But Mikami-san kept me on as director, instead of saying, "This guy messed up, so he's no good."

Iwata Instead, he said, "Because he messed up, he learned something."

Kamiya Right. It was really important that I received that chance. So I gave a lot of thought to what had gone wrong. I was making decisions without vision, and amidst all the pressures, I had lowered my criteria for giving approval. And, above all, it was important how I personally suffered the disastrous results of that.

Iwata While that experience was hard, it was also an incredible blessing.

Kamiya I truly do think so.

.

Originally Posted by ThoughtsOfSpeaking

Thats.......unfortunate, but to be expected. By a third game im guessing she would outstayed her welcome. Still, its a shame she is going to go out on a dead platform.

Wow, that was a crafty.
Ledsen
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(08-30-2013, 12:17 PM)
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Kamiya is the best. The industry needs more people like him. Not an ounce of bullshit in that man, he means what he says and he says what he means.
monome
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(08-30-2013, 12:18 PM)
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argh.

He's awesome.

*faints like a fangirl*...
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(08-30-2013, 12:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by Dawg

Something IGN had a had hard time doing. I don't know if you've seen the video?

Kamiya: Yes, I saw it. (This question was answered without the intervention of the translator and with a smile on Kamiya's face, which a lot of attendees seemed to find hilarious)


Gotta love this guy.
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(08-30-2013, 12:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by JDSN

Kamiya Yes. But immediately after, when Mikami-san made me director of Resident Evil 2, I messed up in a big way. As a result of saying okay to everything that came up, it turned out horrible. We had to scrap what we had spent a year and a half making.

Iwata Precisely because the director bears full responsibility for the result, the director has the authority to make all decisions.

Kamiya So everything that didn't work out was my fault as director. Resident Evil 2 was receiving attention as one of Capcom's new big titles, so the news quickly spread throughout the company. I felt like people were staring at me in the company cafeteria and saying, "That's him! That's the guy who ruined Resident Evil 2!" It was a shock, and very hard.

Iwata It must have been quite a depressing experience having only been in the company about three years, at that young age.

Kamiya But Mikami-san kept me on as director, instead of saying, "This guy messed up, so he's no good."

Iwata Instead, he said, "Because he messed up, he learned something."

Kamiya Right. It was really important that I received that chance. So I gave a lot of thought to what had gone wrong. I was making decisions without vision, and amidst all the pressures, I had lowered my criteria for giving approval. And, above all, it was important how I personally suffered the disastrous results of that.

Iwata While that experience was hard, it was also an incredible blessing.

Kamiya I truly do think so.

Thanks for the insight. Always interesting reading stories like this.
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(08-30-2013, 12:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by wizzbang

PLEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASEEEEEEEEEEEEE


Sits above my couch, it's over a metre across.


Holy cow, what do I need to do to get me one of these?
antonz
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(08-30-2013, 12:22 PM)
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Always interesting to see how people bring in old games for Iwata to sign etc.

Kamiya and his love of old school gaming is what helps make him so awesome today. He sees the need to keep things fresh and experimental and developing new ideas instead of just riding the coattails of a specific franchise.
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Originally Posted by ThoughtsOfSpeaking

Thats.......unfortunate, but to be expected. By a third game im guessing she would outstayed her welcome. Still, its a shame she is going to go out on a dead platform.

I suspect my Wii U will work for years to come, so I don't see the problem.
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Originally Posted by Dawg

Kamiya: I don't really know the influence of European and American media, but at one point I received so many tweets about the score of W101, that I just got sick of it. I do have the feeling gamers look to much at these scores. Especially because I create new IP's and not familiar franchises. I make games because I like them, not because I want to receive high scores. It's partly caused by the industry itself as well though. There's an overflow of games, including inferior games. Because of this, gamers aren't as adventurous anymore.

This guy. He fucking gets it.

TW101 is easily one of the most adventurous games I have ever played. It's a testament to progress, scope and that feel of ever-lasting adventure which makes the player feel so awesome. It's an experience of a lifetime.
wizzbang
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(08-30-2013, 12:26 PM)

Originally Posted by Linkstrikesback

Holy cow, what do I need to do to get me one of these?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Okami-Fire-W...-/310635619245
and a $60 Ikea frame. The photo doesn't do it justice.

I went from never played it to a big fan on the PS3 HD edition, wish I got it much earlier.
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Originally Posted by wizzbang

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Okami-Fire-W...-/310635619245
and a $60 Ikea frame. The photo doesn't do it justice.

I went from never played it to a big fan on the PS3 HD edition, wish I got it much earlier.

I might just buy this, it looks glorious. Thanks for the link :)
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Originally Posted by ThoughtsOfSpeaking

Thats.......unfortunate, but to be expected. By a third game im guessing she would outstayed her welcome. Still, its a shame she is going to go out on a dead platform.

Yea much rather she didn't come out at all! sarcasm
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(08-30-2013, 12:43 PM)
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Okay, he's a great dude, like really.
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(08-30-2013, 12:44 PM)

Originally Posted by boinx

Resident Evil 2 a bad game? What the hell man it's one of the best in the series if you ask me. :X

Originally Posted by danthefan

I was a kid when Resi 2 came out, it was a failure? Wut?

Interviewer is referring to the canned version (RE 1.5) and what lead to that, which Kamiya discussed in the Iwata Asks.
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Good read, thanks dawg!

Okami sequel would be perfection on Wii U with the gamepad btw
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(08-30-2013, 12:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by Alcoholikaust

an okami sequel on anything but Nintendo hardware please-

Wii U it is!
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Originally Posted by Spieler Eins

But they pretty much have the best hardware for Okami right now. The one on which, you know, one can actually really draw.

But neither of Nintendo's platforms allows you to, you know, actually really draw on the main screen, so the only way Nintendo's touch screens could be implemented in Okami would be dumb as hell.
If anything, Vita would be a much better fit.
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Originally Posted by Flipyap

But neither of Nintendo's platforms allows you to, you know, actually really draw on the main screen, so the only way Nintendo's touch screens could be implemented in Okami would be dumb as hell.
If anything, Vita would be a much better fit.

For a straight port? Yes. No doubt.

But tweaking it for the GamePad wouldn't be weird at all. Just mirror the scene and have the player draw on the Pad like nothing's wrong. Or implement the gyro, make the player hold it up to the screen and then draw. That would be more cumbersome but an interesting alternative. First option is the easiest on the player, though. And not "dumb as hell" at all.
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Originally Posted by Flipyap

But neither of Nintendo's platforms allows you to, you know, actually really draw on the main screen, so the only way Nintendo's touch screens could be implemented in Okami would be dumb as hell.
If anything, Vita would be a much better fit.

What difference would it make? The gamepad could just mirror whatever was on the main screen
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Originally Posted by boinx

Resident Evil 2 a bad game? What the hell man it's one of the best in the series if you ask me. :X

Was asking myself the same, isn't it considered the best of the classic series (maybe beside REmake)?

EDIT: Ah, D-e-f- answered it already.
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Originally Posted by Flipyap

But neither of Nintendo's platforms allows you to, you know, actually really draw on the main screen, so the only way Nintendo's touch screens could be implemented in Okami would be dumb as hell.
If anything, Vita would be a much better fit.

Wiimote support for the Wii U-version, problem solved :) (or as someone said before: mirror on the gamepad)
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Originally Posted by Flipyap

But neither of Nintendo's platforms allows you to, you know, actually really draw on the main screen, so the only way Nintendo's touch screens could be implemented in Okami would be dumb as hell.
If anything, Vita would be a much better fit.

Okami Paint on VITA.
Kamiya on suicide watch.
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joe and ammy miss you kamiya :(
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Okami is still his best game and glad to hear he would like to go back to that Universe. Wish Platium retained the rights to all of the Clover IPs, cause Capcom sure isn't using them right.
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Originally Posted by D-e-f-

For a straight port? Yes. No doubt.

But tweaking it for the GamePad wouldn't be weird at all. Just mirror the scene and have the player draw on the Pad like nothing's wrong. Or implement the gyro, make the player hold it up to the screen and then draw. That would be more cumbersome but an interesting alternative. First option is the easiest on the player, though. And not "dumb as hell" at all.

For Okami combat in general.
Anything that doubles the action (or, in this case, a paused screen) on both screens is using the dual screen format in a bad, dumb way. Nintendo's touch screens being awful for finger use would only make it an even worse experience.
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(08-30-2013, 01:31 PM)

Originally Posted by Flipyap

Nintendo's touch screens being awful for finger use would only make it an even worse experience.

Good thing that they work just fine when used with fingers then. :D
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I like the interview and OP broke the chain of negative wave regarding P* and Kamiya games :)

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