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Musiol · (09-13-2013, 01:08 PM)

http://www.edge-online.com/news/powe...e-performance/

PlayStation 4 is currently around 50 per cent faster than its rival Xbox One. Multiple high-level game development sources have described the difference in performance between the consoles as “significant” and “obvious.”

Our contacts have told us that memory reads on PS4 are 40-50 per cent quicker than Xbox One, and its ALU (Arithmetic Logic Unit) is around 50 per cent faster. One basic example we were given suggested that without optimisation for either console, a platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but it’ll run at “20-something” FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One. “Xbox One is weaker and it’s a pain to use its ESRAM,” concluded one developer.

Microsoft is aware of the problem and, having recently upped the clock speed of Xbox One, is working hard to close the gap on PS4, though one developer we spoke to downplayed the move. “The clock speed update is not significant, it does not change things that much,” he said. “Of course, something is better than nothing.”

More at the source.

close if old

V_Ben · (09-13-2013, 01:09 PM)

Feels like we've seen a lot of these articles, but this one does go pretty in depth on the whole thing. Lots of sources confirming stuff.

Nozem · 01:13 PM

I'm somehow addicted to reading these console wars threads.

Good thing there are so fucking many of them.

One basic example we were given suggested that without optimisation for either console, a platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but it’ll run at “20-something” FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One.

Holy shit that would be a massive gap.

Hydrargyrus · (09-13-2013, 01:11 PM)

EDGE??

I don't know'em...

orioto · (09-13-2013, 01:11 PM)

Launch multiplat comparisons will be interesting if true.

PureGone · 01:12 PM

Come one Major Nelson, come here and tell us how all the devs are wrong and there's no difference in power between both consoles.

goomba · (09-13-2013, 01:12 PM)

Proof is in the pudding. PS3 was supposed to make 360 look like Xbox 1.5.

We all know how that turned out

EhrgeizVII · (09-13-2013, 01:12 PM)

I really hope we'll see a big difference in multiplats.

Xater · (09-13-2013, 01:12 PM)

and it’s a pain to use its ESRAM,

Why the hell did MS go for such a solution then? PS3 already showed that developers hate working around not straight forward architecture.

SoundLad · (09-13-2013, 01:12 PM)

That is a jarring difference between the two consoles.
I guess multiplats are going to be developed for the lowest common denominator so they will run equally well on both systems with a chance of PS4 running them better?

Another story for the exclusives.

SnakeNL · (09-13-2013, 01:12 PM)

AdmiralPain · (09-13-2013, 01:12 PM)

Damn it,Microsoft, you blew it.

PureGone · (09-13-2013, 01:13 PM)

Originally Posted by goomba

Proof is in the pudding. PS3 was supposed to make 360 look like Xbox 1.5.

We all know how that turned out

PS3 exclusives make the Xbox 360 look like Xbox 1.5

Ashler · (09-13-2013, 01:13 PM)

Ouch.

goomba · (09-13-2013, 01:13 PM)

Ps4 makes Xbox One look like Xbox1 ;)

Vashetti · (09-13-2013, 01:13 PM)

“Xbox One is weaker and it’s a pain to use its ESRAM,” concluded one developer.

There we go folks. Damning.

Impeccable · (09-13-2013, 01:13 PM)

Has either Penello or Major come back to refute this further on NeoGAF or have they realized we use critical thinking and can't be bullshitted?

Ryaaan14 · (09-13-2013, 01:14 PM)

Jesus, that is disheartening.

Pyscho_Mantis · (09-13-2013, 01:14 PM)

Anyone can see the real difference with the specs they've given us. Puts it into to perspective though.

thuway · (09-13-2013, 01:14 PM)

Yeap, sounds about right.

RE_Player · (09-13-2013, 01:14 PM)

Originally Posted by goomba

Proof is in the pudding. PS3 was supposed to make 360 look like Xbox 1.5.

We all know how that turned out

This is a whole different situation. Launching at the same time and with similar architecture.

LabouredSubterfuge · (09-13-2013, 01:14 PM)

Ahahahahahahaha.

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Chobel · (09-13-2013, 01:14 PM)

Originally Posted by EDGE article

One source even suggested that enforcing parity across consoles could become a political issue between platform holders, developers and publishers. They said that it could damage perceptions of a cross platform title, not to mention Xbox One, if the PS4 version shipped with an obviously superior resolution and framerate; better to “castrate” the PS4 version and release near-identical games to avoid ruffling any feathers.

The difference is this much?

Perkel · (09-13-2013, 01:14 PM)

a platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but it’ll run at “20-something” FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One.

I fucking predicted it, same as Wii U reception by devs after consoles had their specs leaked.

+ 2 to fame, +2 to Insight, - 1 to Humble,

SPE · (09-13-2013, 01:14 PM)

A lot of bombshells dropped in that Edge article.

As well as confirming the performance gulf between the two consoles, the big one for me was the confirmation MS will be pissed at publishers if they don't gimp the PS4 versions so they're the same as the Xbone. Something that has long been suggested on GAF, but without actual sources confirming it.

One source even suggested that enforcing parity across consoles could become a political issue between platform holders, developers and publishers. They said that it could damage perceptions of a cross platform title, not to mention Xbox One, if the PS4 version shipped with an obviously superior resolution and framerate; better to “castrate” the PS4 version and release near-identical games to avoid ruffling any feathers.

Hoo-doo · (09-13-2013, 01:14 PM)

These are harsh words coming from EDGE.

Reassuring to know though that i'll probably end up with the superior version of pretty much all multiplats though, as a future PS4 owner first and foremost.

I am still rather salty at the way some PS3 multiplats were treated this generation. Seems that the performance gap is even larger this time around.

Dennis · (09-13-2013, 01:14 PM)

That is massive

Can't believe Microsoft fumbled the ball so bad for next gen.

Mihael Mello Keehl · (09-13-2013, 01:15 PM)

Still have not seen any games or comparisons, and these consoles launch in 2 months.

Truant · (09-13-2013, 01:15 PM)

Sucks that next-gen gaming is being held back by this weak console.

Farrow · (09-13-2013, 01:15 PM)

More overclocking incoming.

ZoddGutts · (09-13-2013, 01:15 PM)

Looks like it's PS2 and Xbox terms of power difference.

jsnepo · (09-13-2013, 01:15 PM)

Originally Posted by Xater

Why the hell did MS go for such a solution then? PS3 already showed that developers hate working around not straight forward architecture.

They need 8GB RAM and went with slow DD3. ESRAM is supposed to compensate for that. Sony initially was going for 4GB gDDR5 but since prices have dropped, they went with 8GB. Luck was on Sony's side.

Black Republican · (09-13-2013, 01:16 PM)

Sounds like its Xbox turn to get the nasty ports.

ElTorro · (09-13-2013, 01:16 PM)

They mentioned the power of the cloud... Edge, please. Microsoft's PR stunt didn't really stick on the wall, but at least if left some stains.

ItAintEasyBeinCheesy · 01:18 PM

This is going places.

Originally Posted by Mihael Mello Keehl

Still have not seen any games or comparisons, and these consoles launch in 2 months.

How are you meant to get comparisons when the console isn't out.

cyberheater · (09-13-2013, 01:16 PM)

I guess my next gen console is going to be a PS4 then...

Honestly MS. Why did you go so cheap and fuck it up. The person(s) who decided to not go for high end graphics should be fired.

AutumnRay · (09-13-2013, 01:16 PM)

Originally Posted by Nozem

I'm somehow addicted to reading these console wars threads.

Good thing there are so fucking many of them.

Holy shit that would be a massive gap.

Holy shitballs in right.

To be frank people are delusional who think that there is going to be no difference. There will be and over time it will look more than 360vs ps3 imo. But that kind of difference is more than I was thinking.

DemonNite · (09-13-2013, 01:16 PM)

Originally Posted by LabouredSubterfuge

Ahahahahahahaha.

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SolidSnakex · (09-13-2013, 01:16 PM)

Originally Posted by Mihael Mello Keehl

Still have not seen any games or comparisons, and these consoles launch in 2 months.

Give it another month after launch and i'm guessing you'll start to see the difference.

Finalizer · (09-13-2013, 01:16 PM)

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Perkel · (09-13-2013, 01:17 PM)

Originally Posted by Musiol

http://www.edge-online.com/news/powe...e-performance/

More at the source.

close if old

Because they couldn't get 8GB od GDDR5. Even 4GB at that time was not possible when they designed architecture. PS4 was supposed to be 2GB of GDDR5 + DDR3 , then 4GB od GDDR5 and then thanks to new density chips (2013) they upped it to 8GB GDDR5.

SpokkX · (09-13-2013, 01:17 PM)

Ouch att that FPS and resolution difference :(

Xbox consoles has been synonymous with better multiplattform performance and that has been the main reason 360 was my main console last gen.

This could be the first Xbox system that I actually skip completely. Unless Microsoft releases som first party stuff that is really "must have".

Sadly I do not see this happening with Rare being a Kinect developer and Halo, Fable and Gears run into the ground imo

Drencrom · (09-13-2013, 01:17 PM)

Please post if you're okay Major Nelson

goomba · (09-13-2013, 01:17 PM)

Originally Posted by cyberheater

I guess my next gen console is going to be a PS4 then...

Honestly MS. Why did you go so cheap and fuck it up. The person(s) who decided to not go for high end graphics should be fired.

Because the most powerful console always has the best games and outsells the competition....Oh wait that never happens.

Rayge · (09-13-2013, 01:17 PM)

Originally Posted by goomba

Proof is in the pudding. PS3 was supposed to make 360 look like Xbox 1.5.

We all know how that turned out

Well, this time they have the same architecture with hardware from the same company.

cyberheater · (09-13-2013, 01:17 PM)

Originally Posted by Black Republican

Sounds like its Xbox turn to get the nasty ports.

Or the devs will spend most of their time optimzing the fuck out of the Xbox One version just to get some sort of platform parity.

Toki767 · (09-13-2013, 01:17 PM)

Originally Posted by Xater

Why the hell did MS go for such a solution then? PS3 already showed that developers hate working around not straight forward architecture.

It's cheaper or something.

Shengar · (09-13-2013, 01:17 PM)

H_Prestige · (09-13-2013, 01:18 PM)

Originally Posted by goomba

Proof is in the pudding. PS3 was supposed to make 360 look like Xbox 1.5.

We all know how that turned out

Yeah, personally I'm pretty skeptical about math as well.

pixlexic · (09-13-2013, 01:18 PM)

"our contacts" as in they read a GAF thread.