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DieH@rd · Sep 26, 2013

New news, new thread:

We had a chance to sit down with AMD Product Manager Devon Nekechuck to see how AMD’s new top dog R9 290X stacks up against the green team’s best single-GPU offering. According to Nekechuck, even though the R9 290X uses a 438 square mm die, which is significantly smaller than the Titan’s 550 sq. mm GK110 offering, it “will definitely compete with the GTX 780 and Titan.” When we asked what this means in real-world terms, he stated, “with Battlefield 4 running with Mantel (AMD’s new graphics API), the card will be able to ‘ridicule’ the Titan in terms of performance.”

When we asked him what he meant by “ridicule,” he simply stated that it will run Battlefield 4 “much faster than the Titan.” Again, this is provided that you run the game using AMD's Mantel API, which is set to launch in December.
more @ http://www.maximumpc.com/amd_r9_290x_will_be_much_faster_titan_battlefield_4

So, running in normal DirectX, new AMD singlechip flagship will probably be between GTX780 and Titan, but with Mantle API it will be "much faster than Titan". That's great news, especially since 290X is speculated to cost around 599$ [GTX780 is $650, Titan is $1000).

Official price and release date of 290X is for now unknown, but pre-orders starts on Oct 3.

Dennis · Sep 26, 2013

Those are fighting words.

Mesoian · Sep 26, 2013

More interested to see how it runs Titanfall.

SnakeXs · Sep 26, 2013

PC gamers getting more out of their pricy hardware? Awesome.

mrklaw · Sep 26, 2013

providing you use AMD's mantel is a no-brainer surely? You'll use whatever gets the best out of the system.

that will make for much more polarising benchmarks than before I guess - mantle games will shine but normal DX games will be closer in performance to 780/titan

FGMPR · Sep 26, 2013

I hope its true. I haven't bought an AMD card since my old Radeon 9800 pro, but they have definitely made things interesting with this announcement.

fluffydelusions · Sep 26, 2013

Dennis said:
Those are fighting words.

Nvidia response incoming

Smokey · Sep 26, 2013

Oh really

Bravocado · Sep 26, 2013

Oh man, something tells me the GPU Wars are gonna get crazy again very soon.

Ricerocket · Sep 26, 2013

If it's anything like 3DFX Glide then yeah, using an API made specifically for your cards will be big.

mephixto · Sep 26, 2013

Mandatory

LevityNYC · Sep 26, 2013

point of diminishing returns.

400 bucks for a ps4 or 800 bucks for a video card to run games where you need to sit 4 inches from the screen to notice a difference.

DBT85 · Sep 26, 2013

fluffydelusions said:
Nvidia response incoming

CONSOLES ARE SHIT!

Mesoian · Sep 26, 2013

DBT85 said:
CONSOLES ARE SHIT!

"EXCEPT FOR THE ONE WE MADE WITH STEAM!"

LevityNYC said:
point of diminishing returns.

400 bucks for a ps4 or 800 bucks for a video card to run games where you need to sit 4 inches from the screen to notice a difference.

Ahhhhhh...no.

mrklaw · Sep 26, 2013

LevityNYC said:
point of diminishing returns.

400 bucks for a ps4 or 800 bucks for a video card to run games where you need to sit 4 inches from the screen to notice a difference.

or just poke your eyes out with a spoon - really cheap and then you can play BF4 on a 3DS and it'll look great

Skel1ingt0n · Sep 26, 2013

LevityNYC said:
point of diminishing returns.

400 bucks for a ps4 or 800 bucks for a video card to run games where you need to sit 4 inches from the screen to notice a difference.

Nope; pretty sure I can easily tell the difference between 30fps, 60fps, and 120fps at more than four inches away.

Pretty sure I can notice lack of quality AA from several feet away.

Positive I'll enjoy better effects and whatnot when games are developed around them.

Brofist · Sep 26, 2013

LevityNYC said:
point of diminishing returns.

400 bucks for a ps4 or 800 bucks for a video card to run games where you need to sit 4 inches from the screen to notice a difference.

I guess you'll have to sit 4 inches from the TV to see the differences from the PS3 to the PS4 if your eyesight is that shitty.

DeFiBkIlLeR · Sep 26, 2013

Where's the 7950 replacement in the new line up.?

We go from the R9 270 (basically equal to an old 7870 XT, which was a cut down 7950) then jump to a R9 280 ( a 7970 replacement).

Obviously there will be performance improvements on each new card over the old..but there still seems to be something missing.

Hero_of_the_Day · Sep 26, 2013

Price, release date, real world benchmarks, or shut the fuck up.

RibbedHero · Sep 26, 2013

Alternatively just cover your eyes or the screen in vaseline.

Begaria · Sep 26, 2013

So you could say that the R9-290X is the Titan's fall?

shuri · Sep 26, 2013

Just what the pc market needed, developpement segmentation!

Contra11 · Sep 26, 2013

isn't Mantle API an open source and Nvidia will benefit from it ?

scitek · Sep 26, 2013

Dennis said:
Those are fighting words.

Thank God! Nvidia has some competition again!

I've been waiting to see the Titan fall.

Anteater · Sep 26, 2013

oh no, do something Nvidia

nib95 · Sep 26, 2013

AMD sounds like it's coming back on form. Be interesting to see the response from Nvidia.

BronsonLee · Sep 26, 2013

Oh lord, I can't tell if the GPU Wars starting up again is a good or bad thing

DieH@rd · Sep 26, 2013

Contra11 said:
isn't Mantle API an open source and nvidia will benefit from it ?

Its supposedly open platform, so Windows/Linux/Mac. As for GPU support, API is tightly optimized only for AMD GCN arhitecture, so only 7000 series and new R200.

Brofist · Sep 26, 2013

BronsonLee said:
Oh lord, I can't tell if the GPU Wars starting up again is a good or bad thing

Good of course. Competition will at least drive prices down.

Kaako · Sep 26, 2013

I wanna see them benchmarks, asap please. I hope it's true.

mephixto · Sep 26, 2013

AMD: "Hey guys got the benchmarks of BF4 using the 290X on DirectX"
PR: "And?"
AMD: "No difference, sometimes at high res we score lower"
PR: "Sh1t, what now?"
AMD: "No worries, now we make some propietary API and fck Nvidia"

Megadragon15 · Sep 26, 2013

Nvidia should bring back a new version of Glide to compete.

statham · Sep 26, 2013

can only certain cards run mantle?

Mr.Mike · Sep 26, 2013

DieH@rd said:
Its supposedly open platform, so Windows/Linux/Mac. As for GPU support, API is tightly optimized only for AMD GCN arhitecture, so only 7000 series an R200.

And presumably all AMD cards going forward.

I'll be interested to see what Nvida puts forward in response to this. I expect that most games will still be DirectX or OpenGL, and only the most graphically intense AAA games will bother with Mantle and Nvidia's response to mantle in the first place. Maybe this will lead to a new definition/understaning of what a AAA game is, or we'll see quadruple A to describe games that go this far to optimize for graphics.

kartu · Sep 26, 2013

Multi-plats will tend to favor AMD, if this Mantle thing succeeds, GPU market share will follow.
nVidia can't rewind time and win console contracts.

On top of it "8 core CPU" would be a norm to program game for, which again favors AMD.

mephixto said:
AMD: "Hey guys got the benchmarks of BF4 using the 290X on DirectX"
PR: "And?"
AMD: "No difference, sometimes at high res we score lower"
PR: "Sh1t, what now?"
AMD: "No worries, now we make some propietary API and fck Nvidia"

Why would that be a problem though? Smaller die size, so cheaper to manufacture and likely less power hungry, considerably lower price, plus extra features like those "audio pipelines" on top of "most new games will be optimized for CGN"

DeFiBkIlLeR · Sep 26, 2013

kartu said:
On top of it "8 core CPU" would be a norm to program game for, which again favors AMD.

Only if you believe current AMD CPU's are a 'genuine' 8 cores...there's a reason why an '8 core' AMD CPU only gets the same scores as a proper 4 Core Intel CPU in most benchmarks.

Vulcano's assistant · Sep 26, 2013

880 GTX at $500 for everyone in February please

mr stroke · Sep 26, 2013

LevityNYC said:
point of diminishing returns.

400 bucks for a ps4 or 800 bucks for a video card to run games where you need to sit 4 inches from the screen to notice a difference.

you have played BF4 on PC already ?

Raistlin · Sep 26, 2013

If mantle is used for consoles as well, this does have a chance to take off.

This also has very interesting implications for SteamBox.

TetraGenesis · Sep 26, 2013

LevityNYC said:
point of diminishing returns.

400 bucks for a ps4 or 800 bucks for a video card to run games where you need to sit 4 inches from the screen to notice a difference.

You done unleashed the hounds, son.

DieH@rd · Sep 26, 2013

DeFiBkIlLeR said:
Only if you believe current AMD CPU's are a 'genuine' 8 cores...there's a reason why an '8 core' AMD CPU only gets the same scores as a proper 4 Core Intel CPU in most benchmarks.

lol, they are. Intel is forcing hyperthreading, AMD is not.

As of benches, PC games are now mostly optimized for 4 cores. Look @ Arma2 bench [fully optimized 8 core game] and despair.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4et7kDGSRfc&feature=player_detailpage#t=423

Atomski · Sep 26, 2013

statham said:
can only certain cards run mantle?

This was in the other thread from Techspot

We've been told at the GPU14 Tech Day event that the Mantle API is open, so theoretically Nvidia could purpose the technology in their GPUs. It should also make cross-development between PC and console games a lot easier, and also more incredible for those with a high-performance AMD GPU.

More information on Mantle will be available at the AMD Developer Summit in November.

DeFiBkIlLeR · Sep 26, 2013

DieH@rd said:
lol, they are

Intel is forcing hyperthreading, AMD is not

A non hyper threading 4 core Intel CPU will get roughly the same score as an 8 core AMD Cpu in most benchmarks.

Nethaniah · Sep 26, 2013

DieH@rd said:
lol, they are

Intel is forcing hyperthreading, AMD is not

That automatically means AMD has 8 true cores? Not a tech minded guy but that's a crazy assumption being made right there.

Raistlin · Sep 26, 2013

If this takes off ... poor MS

Ricerocket · Sep 26, 2013

Raistlin said:
If mantle is used for consoles as well, this does have a chance to take off.

Actually Mantle is PC's answer to getting closer to the benefit console has.

Consoles already have low level access to their hardware.

dragonelite · Sep 26, 2013

DieH@rd said:
lol, they are. Intel is forcing hyperthreading, AMD is not.

As of benches, PC games are now mostly optimized for 4 cores. Look @ Arma2 bench [fully optimized 8 core game] and despair.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4et7kDGSRfc&feature=player_detailpage#t=423

Dont 2 cores share an FPU together?

IT Slave · Sep 26, 2013

fluffydelusions said:
Nvidia response incoming

If you have a history of high blood pressure, you might want to avoid reading that response.

riflen · Sep 26, 2013

Raistlin said:
If mantle is used for consoles as well, this does have a chance to take off.

Mantle is an API for PC platforms only.

MikeE21286 · Sep 26, 2013

I don't even understand what Mantle is...

But if it's this good that's a good sign I'd guess.

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