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ethomaz · 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by NullPointer

Whats the word for bullshots in video form? Because yeah, THAT.

GT6 will be impressive, no doubt, but those gifs certainly aren't representative of gameplay. Isn't that trailer showing footage in quality you can't even get from theater mode?

But yeah, content and features, definitely. Hell, the course creator alone should put GT6 firmly in god tier.

which gif? From what I saw the gifs are exactly what I played in the Demo.

Mod edit: read the OP before posting gifs, bro.

Perkel · (09-27-2013, 10:44 PM)

Originally Posted by shinobi602

Well then.

Also apparently it will render in 1440x1080p + heavy use of tesselation, fixed shadows, even better lighting model.......

NullPointer · 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by Hurf

You should try Forza 4; in an alternate universe where Gran Turismo doesn't exist Forza is the best racing series on consoles.

Doesnt even have to be an alternate universe. Both games have their own strengths and weaknesses.

I ended up preferring Forza 4 because of its consistent quality, crazy strong audio work, car selection, more exciting racing (due to the varied AI and new tire model) and rivals challenges. But GT5 has a fuckton on offer as well, including day/night transitions, snow, dirt, better IQ and the best damn Nurburgring out there.

Nowadays its hard for me to go back to GT5 because of the high pitched audio alone (Forza 4 seriously spoiled me). That and the AI cars are on rails so the single player races aren't really exciting. Its you against the track, and the other cars are just kind of there.

Originally Posted by ethomaz

which gif? From what I saw the gifs are exactly what I played in the Demo.

You must have played a magical demo from the future then.

AndyD · (09-27-2013, 10:45 PM)

Originally Posted by m0dus

I gotta say, I have already laughed out loud 3 times in this thread, and the wars have not even started.

Serick · (09-27-2013, 10:45 PM)

Originally Posted by benzy

Driveclub - 1280x1080, 30fps, real time lighting and GI
Forza 5 -1280x1080, 60fps, pre baked lighting
Gt6 - 1440x1080, 60fps, real time lighting, no GI

I'm not sure what AA is being used in see these games though. Forza 5 looks the cleanest from the offscreen vids.

Can someone clarify why 1280x1080 is being used on 16:9 TV's? That just seems wrong.

ChronotriggerJM · (09-27-2013, 10:48 PM)

Originally Posted by Serick

Can someone clarify why 1280x1080 is being used on 16:9 TV's? That just seems wrong.

I think the numbers are wrong, he probably meant 1920x1080.

EuropeOG · (09-27-2013, 10:48 PM)

Originally Posted by Serick

Can someone clarify why 1280x1080 is being used on 16:9 TV's? That just seems wrong.

He means 1920x1080.

ethomaz · (09-27-2013, 10:49 PM)

Originally Posted by NullPointer

Nowadays its hard for me to go back to GT5 because of the high pitched audio alone (Forza 4 seriously spoiled me). That and the AI cars are on rails so the single player races aren't really exciting. Its you against the track, and the other cars are just kind of there.

To be fair in therms of AI on consoles.

Forza 3 > GT5 > Forza 4 * GT5 Spec II is close to Forza 3

Originally Posted by NullPointer

You must have played a magical demo from the future then.

Why? The gifs I posted are ingames... exactly what I played in my screen.

benzy · (09-27-2013, 10:49 PM)

Oops, yeah 1920

eddfromtheriver · (09-27-2013, 10:49 PM)

Originally Posted by GrizzleBoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTEzjOSFwNs

Project CARS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All of the things you care about.

"truthfact"

*Rolls eyes*

Xanadu · (09-27-2013, 10:49 PM)

Originally Posted by ChronotriggerJM

I think the numbers are wrong, he probably meant 1920x1080.

GT5 used 1280x1080 though

ChronotriggerJM · (09-27-2013, 10:50 PM)

Originally Posted by Xanadu

GT5 used 1280x1080 though

Yeah that one's correct seeing as it's the older hardware lol

EuropeOG · (09-27-2013, 10:51 PM)

Originally Posted by Xanadu

GT5 used 1280x1080 though

When it renders like that I believe the image is squished, then when stretched out for 16:9 it would look normal.

NullPointer · 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by ethomaz

To be fair in therms of AI on consoles.

Forza 3 > GT5 > Forza 4 * GT5 Spec II is close to Forza 3

I wouldnt put GT5 above Forza 4's AI for excitement, but would for skill (which is easier to model I'd think). Forza AI has a nice mix of super aggressive, super conservative, idiotic and some decent in-between drivers. Makes the grid feel more dynamic and keeps you on your toes to take advantage of how things play out moment to moment.

Whenever I race AI in GT5 I'm either ahead of the pack or behind them, but I don't feel like there are personalities at work on the track. I can get into one-on-one battles but its more about speed and the line, with the car in front filling in as proxy rather than reacting to my pressure.

I'm hoping for AI improvements to both Forza and GT. Doesnt GT have all that B-Spec data they could use? And Forza 5's Drivatar sounds incredible, if its not just pure marketing make-believe.

Originally Posted by ethomaz

Why? The gifs I posted are ingames... exactly what I played in my screen.

Those last three gifs do look representative, of gameplay and replays.

The original gifs were from the trailer, which is all much higher quality than you'd ever see in-game.

zdravkelja · (09-27-2013, 10:54 PM)

I like how Forza and Driveclub are clashing in the OP pic and GT is rolling past them :)

ethomaz · (09-27-2013, 10:56 PM)

Originally Posted by zdravkelja

I like how Forza and Driveclub are clashing in the OP pic and GT is rolling past them :)

The GT car is more GORGEOUS lol

PS. It just a joke... I know GT have no chance against Forza or DriveClub in graphic terms but in physic terms I don't know :)

ChronotriggerJM · (09-27-2013, 10:56 PM)

Originally Posted by NullPointer

I wouldnt put GT5 above Forza 4's AI for excitement, but would for skill (which is easier to model I'd think). Forza AI has a nice mix of super aggressive, super conservative, idiotic and some decent in-between drivers. Makes the grid feel more dynamic and keeps you on your toes to take advantage of how things play out moment to moment.

Whenever I race AI in GT5 I'm either ahead of the pack or behind them, but I don't feel like there are personalities at work on the track. I can get into one-on-one battles but its more about speed and the line, with the car in front filling in as proxy rather than reacting to my pressure.

I'm hoping for AI improvements to both Forza and GT. Doesnt GT have all that B-Spec data they could use? And Forza 5's Drivatar sounds incredible, if its not just pure marketing make-believe.

Those last three gifs do look representative, of gameplay and replays.

The original gifs were from the trailer, which is all much higher quality than you'd ever see in-game.

Has Evolution mentioned anything about Driveclub's A.I.? I've thrown myself into so many pointless graphical debates I haven't really caught wind of much else.

Revson · (09-27-2013, 10:58 PM)

How do you even begin to compare AI between racing games? The AI has been horrible in every racing game I've ever played.
AI drivers don't drive realistically at all, have no awareness of the player, and they're painfully slow even on the highest difficulty.

Pungza · (09-27-2013, 10:58 PM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=hFDG443-eAo

Forza 5 car being rolled and shows that front/rear downforce can be damaged. I wonder if GT6 will have the same with the new aero model.

Also headlights!

Brera · (09-27-2013, 10:59 PM)

I'm guessing this is in response to the Forza thread.

At least my argument that GT5 looks competitive against next gen racers is kinda validated.

The biggest problem Forza and DC have, in images at least is that GT6 is a goddam beast.

Both the latter lack art design. Forza especially still looks like a game and a HD Forza 4.

1080p and 60fps is hardly an achievement if the game looks lacklustre.

Ridge Racer 7 was 1080p and 60fps at PS3 launch and still looks an arcade beast today:

NullPointer · 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by ChronotriggerJM

Has Evolution mentioned anything about Driveclub's A.I.? I've thrown myself into so many pointless graphical debates I haven't really caught wind of much else.

All's quiet on the DriveClub front. We've seen very little footage with other cars on track as it is. So yeah, I have no idea what to expect from the AI in that game. I figure it's going to involve a lot of rubber-banding like in all the Motorstorms, or is that maybe an unfair assumption?

Originally Posted by Revson

How do you even begin to compare AI between racing games? The AI has been horrible in every racing game I've ever played.
AI drivers don't drive realistically at all, have no awareness of the player, and they're painfully slow even on the highest difficulty.

Forza is the only game where I've learned other drivers by name and seek to destroy them. So I guess that's a plus ;P

But you're right, its a tough nut to crack, so I judge them by how much dynamism they add to a race, and I don't mean how much they try to ram me off the road. But do the drivers just stick to the line or battle each other? Do they make reasonable mistakes? Respond to pressure? Go on the attack after being overtaken? Do they feel like they have a style and personality?

Originally Posted by scandisk_

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAFPPg0OCPI&hd=1

GT5 - Spa, the lighting alone maaaan. Imagine that on the PS4. smh

That track looks a lot more sterile and flat and unimpressive in clear weather. Its amazing how much the overcast weather can help the visuals.

scandisk_ · (09-27-2013, 11:00 PM)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAFPPg0OCPI&hd=1

GT5 - Spa, the lighting alone maaaan. Imagine that on the PS4. smh

Xanadu · (09-27-2013, 11:05 PM)

Originally Posted by NullPointer

That track looks a lot more sterile and flat and unimpressive in clear weather. Its amazing how much the overcast weather can help the visuals.

thats the reason every modern NFS game is overcast/stormy weather

ThoughtsOfSpeaking · 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by mrklaw

thats not good - I had that on standby as a backup racer in case driveclub didn't turn out well. At least the US gets the PS4 two weeks before us in Europe, so we have time to hear impressions - when is NFS out?

I'm thinking GT6 for dry sim and photo mode, Driveclub to be hopefully as close to PGR as we'll get, and NFS for crazy flashing lights and rainy roads and a Chase HQ feel.

EU release is day and date with the PS4. Unsure about US.

Originally Posted by Xanadu

thats the reason every modern NFS game is overcast/stormy weather

Looks good here

Rayge · (09-27-2013, 11:10 PM)

Originally Posted by GrizzleBoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTEzjOSFwNs

Project CARS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All of the things you care about.

"truthfact"

Yeah after watching this, these other racing games don't look that impressive.

Mascot · (09-27-2013, 11:11 PM)

The best game is the one that allows me to use my Fanatec cockpit.

In other words: they are all equally as bad as each other.

Edit: pCars doesn't count.

theignoramus · (09-27-2013, 11:11 PM)

Originally Posted by scandisk_

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAFPPg0OCPI&hd=1

GT5 - Spa, the lighting alone maaaan. Imagine that on the PS4. smh

the engine sounds are inexcusable.

ChronotriggerJM · (09-27-2013, 11:13 PM)

Originally Posted by NullPointer

All's quiet on the DriveClub front. We've seen very little footage with other cars on track as it is. So yeah, I have no idea what to expect from the AI in that game. I figure it's going to involve a lot of rubber-banding like in all the Motorstorms, or is that maybe an unfair assumption?

I think I'm a Sadist or something, but I actually like Rubber Band A.I. Puts me on the edge like no other lol. I do with they could implement a way to scale it down on the last lap maybe, but for arcade style racers it's almost mandatory lol.

m0dus · (09-27-2013, 11:23 PM)

Originally Posted by EuropeOG

Updated gif version

How it feels to play Forza 5 on the big screen?

You mean 1920 horizontal pixels.

Read the OP before posting GIFs, bro.

drugstore_cowboy · 11:29 PM

GT is the daddy, can't hate it but I can be very disappointed in it.

I really wish Forza was more ambitious and stopped trying to please the casuals whilst driving away (very nicely as it happens) everyone who took it a little more seriously, pains me a little to think what it could have become.

DC doesn't register at all, just another arcade game sadly.

This is what I was trying to explain about in the DC thread.

It's overcast, realistically lit but you can still see all the detail.

Originally Posted by scandisk_

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAFPPg0OCPI&hd=1

GT5 - Spa, the lighting alone maaaan. Imagine that on the PS4. smh

ChronotriggerJM · (09-27-2013, 11:27 PM)

Originally Posted by drugstore_cowboy

GT is the daddy, can't hate it but I can be very disappointed in it.

I really wish Forza was more ambitious and stopped trying to please the casuals whilst driving away (very nicely as it happens) everyone who took it a little more seriously, pains me a little to think what it could have become.

DC doesn't register at all, just another arcade game sadly.

Truth be told, I don't really know enough about Driveclub to walk away with an impression. I like the lighting, and I like Evolution's previous work. That's all I really have to go by. One thing GT and Forza have are lineage, we know what to expect, and we know what's good.

Pyscho_Mantis · (09-27-2013, 11:30 PM)

This is how I see it:

GT6 will have:
- More tracks
- More cars
- Weather
- Day and Night cycles
- Dirt
- Course Creator
- Good physics
- Endurance races with pit stops

Driveclub:
- Next gen graphics
- Online club thing
- Day and Night cycles

Forza 5:
- Next gen graphics
- Livery Editor
- Endurance races with pit stops (????)
- Good physics

GT6 just seems like a better package. If you strip away the fact that the next gen racers look so good, what else is there that excites you so much? For me its nothing.

ChronotriggerJM · (09-27-2013, 11:32 PM)

Originally Posted by Pyscho_Mantis

This is how I see it:

GT6 will have:
- More tracks
- More cars
- Weather
- Day and Night cycles
- Dirt
- Course Creator
- Good physics
- Endurance races with pit stops

Driveclub:
- Next gen graphics
- Online club thing
- Day and Night cycles

Forza 5:
- Next gen graphics
- Livery Editor
- Endurance races with pit stops (????)
- Good physics

GT6 just seems like a better package. If you strip away the fact that the next gen racers look so good, what else is there that excites you so much? For me its nothing.

I don't know enough about GT6 or Forza to say anything on it really, but I like that your not driving on race courses in Driveclub. I typically hate the look of race tracks, and we've seen them a million times before.

Xanadu · (09-27-2013, 11:35 PM)

Originally Posted by Pyscho_Mantis

- Endurance races with pit stops (????)

nope

Mihael Mello Keehl · (09-27-2013, 11:35 PM)

Originally Posted by bishoptl

hey guys

I'm just hanging out in front of the safety railing, y'know, CHILLIN

Why didnt you put the chapter john verse 3 thing again lol?

m0dus · (09-27-2013, 11:36 PM)

Originally Posted by Mihael Mello Keehl

Why didnt you put the chapter john verse 3 thing again lol?

Im not familiar with the source material ;)

also . . . wouldn't fit . . .

drugstore_cowboy · (09-27-2013, 11:37 PM)

Originally Posted by Xanadu

nope

Not in the career mode but you should still be able to create your own.

If you pay for Live.

Metalmurphy · (09-27-2013, 11:47 PM)

Originally Posted by theignoramus

the engine sounds are inexcusable.

"theignoramus"

That Gallardo sound is actually pretty damn accurate. Which is rare in GT.

Xanadu · (09-27-2013, 11:48 PM)

Originally Posted by drugstore_cowboy

Not in the career mode but you should still be able to create your own.

If you pay for Live.

they're pulling that shit again? my god

ethomaz · (09-27-2013, 11:49 PM)

Originally Posted by Revson

How do you even begin to compare AI between racing games? The AI has been horrible in every racing game I've ever played.
AI drivers don't drive realistically at all, have no awareness of the player, and they're painfully slow even on the highest difficulty.

I agree... even the best one I see in a console (Forza 3) falls short.

Xanadu · (09-27-2013, 11:51 PM)

Originally Posted by Metalmurphy

"theignoramus"

That Gallardo sound is actually pretty damn accurate. Which is rare in GT.

accurate for GT, shit compared to its rivals

Metalmurphy · (09-27-2013, 11:52 PM)

Originally Posted by Xanadu

accurate for GT, shit compared to its rivals

No, accurate by real standards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPH5E0WlKeg#t=6m20s

But show me an example of the rivals that turn that into shit then..

Xanadu · (09-27-2013, 11:55 PM)

Originally Posted by Metalmurphy

No, accurate by real standards. But show me an example of the rivals that turn that into shit then..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fmcng1iK6k

obvious choice

Xanadu · (09-27-2013, 11:57 PM)

Originally Posted by Metalmurphy

No, accurate by real standards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPH5E0WlKeg#t=6m20s

But show me an example of the rivals that turn that into shit then..

gt5 has that horrible high pitch whine why? the famous gt vacuum lol

Metalmurphy · (09-27-2013, 11:57 PM)

Originally Posted by Xanadu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fmcng1iK6k

obvious choice

Different car, and still not as accurate. Check above. And definitely not something that would turn the other one into "shit". You got plenty of other cars to choose from that fit that description.

Beefier and nosier != accurate.

DidntKnowJack · (09-27-2013, 11:59 PM)

It figures the one I think looks the best is the one I won't own a system for; Forza 5.

The others are fine, and I'll likely play them all (except that PC game) but GT 6 looks dated to me and DriveClub is probably going to end up being my favorite but right now it's a bit unexciting. I mean GT6 is fine, I played the demo, but it's still a last gen game. Looks amazing in replays, still good while behind the wheel, but let's be honest - graphically it's almost toe to toe with GT5.

Truth be told, of the systems I own or am going to own, Need For Speed Rivals looks the most interesting. Though that's another beast entirely.

Xanadu · (09-28-2013, 12:00 AM)

Originally Posted by Metalmurphy

Different car, and still not as accurate. Check above.

Beefier and nosier != accurate.

only one i could find and all gallardos sound pretty much the same, and yes the gallardo has a beefy low end which isnt in gt5 version but its in forza version, gt5 is too high pitched and sounds more fake

ethomaz · 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by Xanadu

accurate for GT, shit compared to its rivals

That's a good discussion BTW.

First I think the sound in GT games weak... they need to get better... so I'm not defending GT here.

So my opinion... the sound in others racing games seem a bit (and sometimes) a lot "overboosted"... I mean they seems more strong and powerful than real-life... that's good for most people ans seems better. But for me it not works... I prefer a sound close to real-life coming from the cars... and GT at least tried that.

There are some car example in GT5 that sound holy close to real-life if you a good surround sound system (Gallardo is a good example).

While I want to see a better and accurate sound in GT games (they need to deliver it) I really don't want a Forza "boosted" sound in my sim racing life.

Xanadu · (09-28-2013, 12:03 AM)

Originally Posted by ethomaz

That's a good discussion BTW.

First I think the sound in GT games weak... they need to get better... so I'm not defending GT here.

So my opinion... the sound in others racing games seem a bit (and sometimes) a lot "overboosted"... I mean they seems more strong and powerful than real-life... that's good for most people ans seems better. But for me it not works... I prefer a sound close to real-life coming from the cars... and GT at least tried that.

There are some car example in GT5 that sound holy close to real-life if you a good surround sound system (Gallardo is a good example).

While I want to see a better and accurate sound in GT games (they need to deliver it) I really don't want a Forza "boosted" sound in my sim racing life.

forza 4 does distort sounds a bit much but without it it would sound sterile like forza 3, gt5 is even worse than forza 3 imo they really need to improve its beyond a joke now, i swear some of the sounds are still in use from the gran turismo 3 days

ethomaz · (09-28-2013, 12:06 AM)

Originally Posted by Xanadu

forza 4 does distort sounds a bit much but without it it would sound sterile like forza 3, gt5 is even worse than forza 3 imo they really need to improve its beyond a joke now, i swear some of the sounds are still in use from the gran turismo 3 days

I think they are... old cars are not remade for PS3 (that means assets and sound)... the sound recorded for previous GTs are used to new GTs... only the new cars and new recorded sound cars looks better.

I like more Forza 3 sound than Forza 4 sound... Forza 4 is too artificial IMO.

PS. Another think that I like more in GT than Forza... the realistic color pallete and lighting... Forza looks like toy to me.