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guit3457
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(09-28-2013, 11:07 AM)
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One year ago we had a thread in Neogaf where someone posted images of one of the Nintendo's recruiment books. (I'm trying to find it because in those photos you can see how are Nintendo's Kyoto office)

You can see some photos here:

http://www.destructoid.com/nintendo-...s-163665.phtml

Today, looking at Kirai's twitter, a spanish blogger who lives sin Japan (he is a Twitter engineer in twitter Japan) I saw this:

http://www.bizjapanese.com/blog/7-so...uitment-system

It's a very interesting article about a guy who made the process to work for Nintendo Japan in 2010:

" Without a doubt, Nintendo’s process is the most unique experience I ever experienced out of all the companies"

I think this is a very interesting read about how Nintendo Japan choose their employees.
ColdBlooder
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(09-28-2013, 11:10 AM)
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I read that a few days ago. Looks like its easier to get into the NASA space program than into NCL, lol. Pretty damn ridiculus process.
markot
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(09-28-2013, 11:12 AM)
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Miyamoto said he wouldnt get hired in todays Nintendo... seems like a huge problem imo. Need to take more chances.
Sandfox
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(09-28-2013, 11:17 AM)
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I wonder how many applications they get in and what percentage of those people get hired.
Desiato
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(09-28-2013, 11:21 AM)
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I did this too actually, but only made it to the web test. Shit was hard as balls.
diamount
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(09-28-2013, 11:22 AM)

Originally Posted by Sandfox

I wonder how many applications they get in and what percentage of those people get hired.

If they get like a 1000 applicants at the recruitment events, they can afford to be picky so not many I imagine. Also considering the competitiveness of Japan's job market.
foxuzamaki
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(09-28-2013, 11:25 AM)
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I always knew it would be hard as balls to get in.
badnewsbeers
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(09-28-2013, 11:27 AM)
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Is it much different in NA?
akachan ningen
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(09-28-2013, 11:34 AM)
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How silly. All those tests won't determine the applicant's ability to make a fun game. They should be trying to recruit competent indie developers. No wonder Nintendo is going to down the drain.
Applecot
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(09-28-2013, 11:39 AM)
It feels like a recruitment process out of the 1970s, not the 21st century.
SporeCrawler
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(09-28-2013, 11:45 AM)
Or.., you have people that know yamauchi.. Like miyamoto.. Now it probably doesnt work anymore.
foxuzamaki
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(09-28-2013, 11:46 AM)
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Originally Posted by akachan ningen

How silly. All those tests won't determine the applicant's ability to make a fun game. They should be trying to recruit competent indie developers. No wonder Nintendo is going to down the drain.

Generally indies are indies....because they want to be independent...
Napalm_Frank
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(09-28-2013, 11:47 AM)
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Originally Posted by Applecot

It feels like a recruitment process out of the 1970s, not the 21st century.

There is a joke here but I'm not gonna make it.
kingkaiser
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(09-28-2013, 11:53 AM)
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Originally Posted by markot

Miyamoto said he wouldnt get hired in todays Nintendo... seems like a huge problem imo. Need to take more chances.

Of course he would, his father was a good friend of the former president Hiroshi Yamauchi, that's why he was hired.

Nepotism still is widespread .
akachan ningen
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(09-28-2013, 11:56 AM)
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Originally Posted by foxuzamaki

Generally indies are indies....because they want to be independent...

You don't know what they want. Maybe they're indies because they have to be but they actually want to make big games. Plenty of indies sign on with big companies like Sony.
w1gglyjones
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(09-28-2013, 11:59 AM)
The guy is describing the hiring process for software and hardware engineers. It should be tough. There is a misconception that Nintendo is technically incompetent, but they really aren't. They've been understaffed for what's needed to compete at the level of platform holder and software developer, and are seriously lacking in artists, etc... (not talking business decisions)
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Allan Holdsworth
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(09-28-2013, 11:59 AM)
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Oh so this is where these books come from. I only got one, and I've only seen 1 other being sold in a couple years of searching.
Cosmozone
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(09-28-2013, 12:05 PM)
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Actually nice, that the president is personally greeting the applicants. But it could be common in Japan.
alan666
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(09-28-2013, 12:16 PM)
Maybe this is the reason for the issues with the WiiU ?
watkinzez
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(09-28-2013, 12:23 PM)
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Holy crap at read ten page-long excerpts and answering multiple questions on each of them in twenty minutes. In Japanese and English, no less. Guess it weeds out the people who aren't as quick to identify important information.
Raysoul
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(09-28-2013, 12:27 PM)
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I think it would be harder to be hired as part of the Mario Club.
Asd202
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(09-28-2013, 12:28 PM)

Originally Posted by kingkaiser

Nepotism still is widespread .

Nepotism will always be present in any society no matter the country.
Chainsawkitten
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(09-28-2013, 12:30 PM)
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Originally Posted by akachan ningen

How silly. All those tests won't determine the applicant's ability to make a fun game. They should be trying to recruit competent indie developers. No wonder Nintendo is going to down the drain.

Software and hardware engineers aren't supposed to make fun games. They're supposed to make robust, unfun systems/engines.
wsippel
(09-28-2013, 12:31 PM)

Originally Posted by alan666

Maybe this is the reason for the issues with the WiiU ?

How could any of that be a reason for any of those issues? It's not like Nintendo doesn't have enough engineers, which is exactly why they can afford to be so picky.
2MF
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(09-28-2013, 12:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by kingkaiser

Of course he would, his father was a good friend of the former president Hiroshi Yamauchi, that's why he was hired.

Nepotism still is widespread .

I didn't know that, but I was going to say something similar: just because most applicants go through a standardized and very tough process doesn't mean others can't be recruited by other means. To give two examples, referrals and people getting "headhunted" by doing something remarkable and getting noticed. In both those cases, depending on the company, you may jump immediately into interviews rather than the cookie-cutter tests.

As for the tough process in the second article, maybe they need something like that simply because they get so many applicants. But yeah, some stuff there seems unnecessarily complicated.
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kitsuneyo
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(09-28-2013, 12:55 PM)
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Many kids dream about entering Nintendo, so naturally the competition to work there is very stiff.

Lol
Sushigod7
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(09-28-2013, 01:02 PM)
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Interesting to know, I got hired at EA for a game tester much simpler process. lol Should be tough as was mentioned before, for as much crap as Nintendo gets they do generally put out technically sound 1st party games. Not much patching etc involved.
alan666
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(09-28-2013, 10:09 PM)

Originally Posted by wsippel

How could any of that be a reason for any of those issues? It's not like Nintendo doesn't have enough engineers, which is exactly why they can afford to be so picky.

why is the WiiU under-performing,
why are there very few games,
why is the OS so slow,
why is there not a proper account system with games tied to it & also the 3DS,

it seems a case of too many cooks.
Sandfox
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(09-28-2013, 10:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by akachan ningen

How silly. All those tests won't determine the applicant's ability to make a fun game. They should be trying to recruit competent indie developers. No wonder Nintendo is going to down the drain.

That's not how game development works.
Zoramon089
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(09-28-2013, 10:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by Raysoul

I think it would be harder to be hired as part of the Mario Club.

I hear they recruit ex-fighter pilots. The only people with the reflexes required
Louis Cyphre
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(09-28-2013, 10:18 PM)
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I imagine you could just use the handbook from 1983 and be good to go.



They probably still have this sitting in the boardroom.
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Roboleon
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(09-28-2013, 10:22 PM)
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Or you could just post "yeah, Nintendo should do this and whatnot" on GAF.
Echoenigma
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(09-28-2013, 10:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by alan666

why is the WiiU under-performing,
why are there very few games,
why is the OS so slow,
why is there not a proper account system with games tied to it & also the 3DS,

it seems a case of too many cooks.

Lol

Threads off to a great start
alan666
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(09-28-2013, 10:27 PM)

Originally Posted by Echoenigma

Lol

Threads off to a great start

hang on, Nintendo apparently have the best software & hardware engineers & they can be picky of who they have working for them, i think my questions are valid.
Hedja
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(09-28-2013, 10:29 PM)
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That is pretty damn crazy. Insane almost. Kind of heartbreaking but I realised a long time ago that Nintendo isn't as great a company to work for as you'd think; especially in the programming department. It looks soul draining and they clearly aim to hire particular types of people rather than trying to diversify and open their minds a bit.
razoftblend
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(09-28-2013, 10:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by alan666

why is the WiiU under-performing,
why are there very few games,
why is the OS so slow,
why is there not a proper account system with games tied to it & also the 3DS,

it seems a case of too many cooks.

notsureifserious.gif

Originally Posted by Cosmozone

Actually nice, that the president is personally greeting the applicants. But it could be common in Japan.

I don't know how similar it is, but in the anime Genshiken from a few years back, Madarame and Sasahara start kooking for a job in the second season. They explain that they get interviewed by lower departments and all the way up to the president of the company. Basically, the president will greet them if they pass the other interviews. It sounds like a Japan thing.
Zornica
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(09-28-2013, 10:44 PM)
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Originally Posted by Hedja

That is pretty damn crazy. Insane almost. Kind of heartbreaking but I realised a long time ago that Nintendo isn't as great a company to work for as you'd think; especially in the programming department. It looks soul draining and they clearly aim to hire particular types of people rather than trying to diversify and open their minds a bit.

And you base that assumption on what exactly?
nintendo is still one of the most prestigious companies to work for in japan. there was even a survey a few years back. Ofc it's hard to get in, that's kinda the point
Reversed
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(09-28-2013, 10:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by ComputerMKII

How to get fired from Nintendo

Just what I expected. :)

I guess she knew about the Love Hotel story.
Dascu
(09-28-2013, 10:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by alan666

why is the WiiU under-performing,
why are there very few games,
why is the OS so slow,
why is there not a proper account system with games tied to it & also the 3DS,

it seems a case of too many cooks.

You're not making any sense.

First of all, how are any of the issues you mentioned a result of "too many cooks? Second, how does this rigorous selection process lead to such a situation? And third, how do you explain the vast successes Nintendo has had in the past? This isn't a new application procedure.

I can't believe people are trying to spin this into a reason for whatever failings Nintendo might have. What did people expect, you walk in the office and tell Iwata your grand ideas for the next blockbuster? Boom, you're hired? As any top company, you want to hire top men with top skills and qualifications. This screening procedure is a good way to select those people that aren't simply "idea-men". You need hard-working, dedicated, versatile and thorough developers.
Last edited by Dascu; 09-28-2013 at 10:52 PM.
NEO0MJ
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(09-28-2013, 11:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by Zornica

And you base that assumption on what exactly?
nintendo is still one of the most prestigious companies to work for in japan. there was even a survey a few years back. Ofc it's hard to get in, that's kinda the point

I think he means that in general the work is pretty tough and the the rules rigid, unlike say...Valve?
Nia
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(09-28-2013, 11:04 PM)
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Man, this is something. I think I would crash and burn during the web test.
mugurumakensei
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(09-28-2013, 11:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by Applecot

It feels like a recruitment process out of the 1970s, not the 21st century.

What? Other than the ten one page essays, the rest is actually pretty standard.
BlazingRain
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(09-28-2013, 11:12 PM)
This isn't all that different from other high-profile software engineering jobs.
DrWong
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(09-28-2013, 11:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by NEO0MJ

I think he means that in general the work is pretty tough and the the rules rigid, unlike say...Valve?

Yep! Agree. Just need to look at the number of games produced by each company in the same time frame to see the difference.
mugurumakensei
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(09-28-2013, 11:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by DrWong

Yep! Agree. Just need to look at the number of games produced by each company in the same time frame to see the difference.

I don't know who this is insulting.
Primal_Writer_Rite
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(09-28-2013, 11:24 PM)
They need some entry level business jobs.
B-Dubs
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(09-28-2013, 11:27 PM)
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Originally Posted by ComputerMKII

How to get fired from Nintendo

I'm going to go with the first post in that thread as to why she was fired.
Oblivion
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(09-28-2013, 11:35 PM)

Originally Posted by Hedja

That is pretty damn crazy. Insane almost. Kind of heartbreaking but I realised a long time ago that Nintendo isn't as great a company to work for as you'd think; especially in the programming department. It looks soul draining and they clearly aim to hire particular types of people rather than trying to diversify and open their minds a bit.

I remember reading a story that said the NCL offices are pretty drab and many rooms lack windows. Thought that was kinda disappointing hearing that. Having a nice working environment is an important thing imo. I used to work at Sorny Santa Monica and their studio was pretty fucking rad.
kyoya
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(09-28-2013, 11:47 PM)
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Look up the name Jessica Zenner, a former Nintendo of America contract recruiter - read how she blogged about her co-worker/s and how it got her fired.

What isn't being reported is how (before her firing) she offered one hopeful Nintendo applicant a job interview, then never called them back, which pretty much crushed that applicant's soul, because he would never hear from Nintendo again no matter how many times he applied for a job there. That applicant suspects his applicant file was tainted, because Ms. Zenner would state in an interview that she still remains friends with some people at Nintendo of America.

It's pretty sad how heartless recruiters can be.

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