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anexanhume
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(11-12-2013, 07:04 PM)
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Defrag if old.

Stock drive is 500GB.



https://twitter.com/cjcool804/status/400315951520165888

323GB free + 84GB games + 100MB other = 408GB.

Applications is only the three games. Nothing else installed/deletable. https://twitter.com/cjcool804/status/400316029995581440

As others have pointed out, 500GB is a marketing number. The OS sees GB (and MB, KB) in chunks of 1024 compared to a straight 1000 multiplier. e.g. 1GB = 1024MB, not 1000MB as marketing reports.

Thus, 500GB /(1.024^3) = 465 "real" GB.

1.024 is the ratio factor which is cubed because it's used three times: Bytes in KB (1024 vs 1000), KB in MB (1024 vs 1000), and MB in GB (1024 vs 1000).

That means 465 - 408GB leaves 57GB reserved on the drive. Not all of that may necessarily be occupied. There is likely a swap partition, the OS, reserved space for game clip sharing, etc.
Last edited by anexanhume; 11-12-2013 at 07:42 PM.
belvedere
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(11-12-2013, 07:05 PM)
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Shocking.
Radec
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(11-12-2013, 07:05 PM)
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Playroom + OS?

Also,

a 500GB harddrive is only 465GB in real world.
Wario64
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(11-12-2013, 07:06 PM)
Uhm, what applications are delete-able if any?

"CJ ‏@cjcool804 32m
@anexanhume three games are installed"
metalmachine
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(11-12-2013, 07:06 PM)
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Not unexpected. I'm sure XBone is similiar
Darkologia
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(11-12-2013, 07:06 PM)
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yeah am going with physical discs next-gen too
FullMetaltech
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(11-12-2013, 07:06 PM)
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Wonder whats the list of games on it. Are they demos or full retail games installed?
graywolf323
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(11-12-2013, 07:06 PM)
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not surprising

my 512GB SSD that I use for my OS drive on my PC only has 434GB free
xemumanic
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(11-12-2013, 07:06 PM)
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Dang, I forgot all about this detail. Not just formatting, but apps/OS/etc taking up space.
keit4
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(11-12-2013, 07:06 PM)
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60GB for the OS is a lot.

EDIT: oh, some apps are pre-installed. Ok then. Still a lot though.

EDIT 2: fixed my maths.
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Dark_AnNiaLatOr
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(11-12-2013, 07:07 PM)
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Damn, that's a heavy hit.
Reluctant-Hero
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(11-12-2013, 07:07 PM)
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Yep, definitely installing a 1TB drive ASAP.
shinobi602
(11-12-2013, 07:07 PM)
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DBT85
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Well 500GB should format out to be about 465GB, so that's about 55GB walled off for the OS to do whatever it's doing.
CambriaRising
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(11-12-2013, 07:07 PM)
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That sounds about right if those are a game and playroom.

Edit: Yeah, thought so.
Kyon
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(11-12-2013, 07:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by shinobi602

Face Palm mess
dallow_bg
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(11-12-2013, 07:08 PM)
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Great.
Last edited by dallow_bg; 11-12-2013 at 07:11 PM.
Imtey
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(11-12-2013, 07:08 PM)

Originally Posted by Wario64

Uhm, what applications are delete-able if any?

"CJ ‏@cjcool804 32m
@anexanhume three games are installed"



Bad OP.

Uh yeah, thats quite a huge mistake on OP's part if thats true lol
EDIT: wait nvm, misread i think.
Shadow Hog
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(11-12-2013, 07:08 PM)
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I was hoping to upgrade the PS4 HDD to a 1TB-or-so one and use the PS4's HDD to replace my PS3's 80GB one, personally.

I do intend to buy games physically, but PS+ games add up quickly, and I never liked the fridge-organizing with Nintendo; wouldn't care for it here, either.
Withnail
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(11-12-2013, 07:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by Darkologia

yeah am going with physical discs next-gen too

Won't make any difference with mandatory full installs.
anexanhume
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(11-12-2013, 07:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by Wario64

Uhm, what applications are delete-able if any?

"CJ ‏@cjcool804 32m
@anexanhume three games are installed"



Bad OP.


Those are accounted for in the total. See this tweet: https://twitter.com/cjcool804/status/400316029995581440
fsckdev
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(11-12-2013, 07:08 PM)
Got my 1TB SSHD ready for friday.
shinobi602
(11-12-2013, 07:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by Kyon

Face Palm mess

Actually looks like OP is right. 323GB free space+84GB games
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(11-12-2013, 07:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by Wario64

Uhm, what applications are delete-able if any?

"CJ ‏@cjcool804 32m
@anexanhume three games are installed"



Bad OP.

Yup, applications in this case also means games. Sony should have separated them, though.

edit: Maybe?
Dynoro
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(11-12-2013, 07:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by DBT85

Well 500GB should format out to be about 465GB, so that's about 55GB walled off for the OS to do whatever it's doing.

I can see some of that 55GB being reserved space for the 15minute video capture too
ReturnOfTheRAT
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(11-12-2013, 07:08 PM)
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SMH
Wynnebeck
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(11-12-2013, 07:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by Kyon

Face Palm mess

oop
Bundy
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(11-12-2013, 07:09 PM)
Yep, makes sense
TGO
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(11-12-2013, 07:09 PM)
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With the lack any media support ( I still think this is stupid ) I doubt space is gonna be a problem with or without an upgrade this year.
Andronicus
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(11-12-2013, 07:09 PM)
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In other useless news....hard drives never have the exact number labled usable...
Mister D
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(11-12-2013, 07:09 PM)
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Go, go 1.5TB hard drive on day one. Yeah it's only a 5400rpm model but it was cheap and my laptop is right beside me so I guess I can look at some tits or something while the next map loads in BF4. With thieving ass Comcast "testing" out a 300GB bandwidth cap in my area, I doubt I'll be downloading a bunch of games each month unless I add them to my download queue and space them out each month.
Stitch
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(11-12-2013, 07:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by Darkologia

yeah am going with physical discs next-gen too

but you have to install the games...
IAmRandom31
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(11-12-2013, 07:10 PM)
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Expected. It is why I laughed when that kid who got the X1 said there was 500GB of available space. Nah.

It will be similar, if not worse, on the X1 with all the built in apps and the 3 OS's and everything else going on.
mullet2000
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(11-12-2013, 07:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by anexanhume

Those are accounted for in the total. See this tweet: https://twitter.com/cjcool804/status/400316029995581440

So 494/500 GB are actually free? Interesting.

Edit: nop
mangochutney
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(11-12-2013, 07:10 PM)

Originally Posted by Dynoro

I can see some of that 55GB being reserved space for the 15minute video capture too

Sounds a bit large, but probable.

If it is then it might mean that it records at native res in a high quality (hopefully!).

The OS won't be 57GB that much is for certain.
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Originally Posted by Kyon

Face Palm mess

Originally Posted by Imtey

Uh yeah, thats quite a huge mistake on OP's part if thats true lol
EDIT: wait nvm, misread i think.

Originally Posted by Wario64

Uhm, what applications are delete-able if any?

"CJ ‏@cjcool804 32m
@anexanhume three games are installed"

Read the image.

It lists drive size and free space.
Andrefpvs
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(11-12-2013, 07:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by Withnail

Won't make any difference with mandatory full installs.

Well, installing from the disc should be faster than downloading, at least.

But yeah, it won't make a difference in terms of saving HDD space.
DBT85
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(11-12-2013, 07:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by mullet2000

So 494/500 GB are actually free? Interesting.

No.
Acheteedo
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(11-12-2013, 07:11 PM)
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I guess they need to keep a cache space the size of a full blu-ray disk? Didn't I read somewhere about game caching?
Kyon
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(11-12-2013, 07:11 PM)
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I C.
mullet2000
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(11-12-2013, 07:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by DBT85

No.

Yeah I read again and I see how it actually is now.
Iced_Eagle
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(11-12-2013, 07:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by Darkologia

yeah am going with physical discs next-gen too

On both systems you still need to have hard drive space for the games. Both systems install while you play. You can of course delete the game data and it will just reinstall when you put in the disc next.

Also, this isn't too surprising.

Don't forget that marketers also define 1GB as 1000MB. In reality, 1GB = 1024MB (technically that's known as GiB and MiB). Thus, a 500 "GB" hard drive actually has a maximum capacity 465.6 GB, which is what the OS will show.

Thus, the OS is not 100 GB like someone mentioned below. The OS + system apps is 57.6 GB.
Alcoholikaust
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(11-12-2013, 07:11 PM)
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more than enough for my launch games REQUIRED installs. (roughly 240 gig)
JetSetRadio
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(11-12-2013, 07:11 PM)
I'll have to replace it anyway. Same portable size hdd as PS3? 2 TB would be enough.

And can I still copy my videofiles to the PS4 in my bedroom? No mediaserver sucks.
NIN90
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(11-12-2013, 07:11 PM)
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I know it's kind of a silly thing to complain about but how can memory manufacturers and Sony in this case get away with this? Especially in EU? They are clearly misleading the consumer.
binarymelon
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(11-12-2013, 07:11 PM)

Originally Posted by anexanhume

Those are accounted for in the total. See this tweet: https://twitter.com/cjcool804/status/400316029995581440

So does Madden have an optional install?
DBT85
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(11-12-2013, 07:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by Acheteedo

I guess they need to keep a cache space the size of a full blu-ray disk? Didn't I read somewhere about game caching?

Games are cached to the portion not walled off for the OS. They are installed, they are just using the term caching to make people understand that you don;t have to wait an hour before you can play.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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(11-12-2013, 07:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by JetSetRadio

I'll have to replace it anyway. Same portable size hdd as PS3?

And can I still copy my videofiles to the PS4 in my bedroom? No mediaserver sucks.

2.5" 9.5mm laptop hard drive.
Cow Goes Moo
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(11-12-2013, 07:12 PM)
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The power and space of high definition blueray
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(11-12-2013, 07:12 PM)
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I forsee this being like a 9 page thread consisting of people not realizing that the advertised size isn't the true size of the HDD.

Originally Posted by mullet2000

So 494/500 GB are actually free? Interesting.

The HDD only has around 465GB of total storage before any data is written to it.

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