Whats wrong with humour in FPS games?
BC2 was my favourite last-gen MP game. Spent over 400 in it.
It was just enough over the top to be fun, but still close to reality.
Planting tank mines in the river and then watching a jeep fly over you was fun fun fun.
BF3 was disappointment, I think I have less than 50 hours in it.
DICE please make BC3.
Wow. It's "we literally focus-tested on twelve year-olds" all over again.
Edit: I should add that going super-serious would be okay if DICE had any skill at writing that kind of game, but it seems that they don't.
Edit: I should add that going super-serious would be okay if DICE had any skill at writing that kind of game, but it seems that they don't.
Last edited by Mman235; 11-22-2013 at 02:49 PM.
Humor in shooters is great! But it should stay with franchises that actually do it well like TimeSplitters. Hardcore BF fans who started playing 1942 on the PC stayed away from BFBC games for the most part. Nothing "dudebro" about it... people just don't appreciate when someone shits in their cereal. BFBC is to the franchise the same as taking something like Mario and making a dark, visceral beat-em-up out of it. It just doesn't fit IMPO.Originally Posted by Poetic.Injustice
Dudebros want a visceral, cold experience. No place for humor anymore.
Edit: although the Mario beat-em-up actually sounds cool lol
Didn't play Bad Company 1 but I did play Bad Company 2 and it had the right mix of seriousness and humor. It was genuinely funny at moments. I haven't had that much fun with a military shooter since then. So many are ultimately depressing story wise. I still remember being extremely disappointed by Battlefield 3's destruction system after having played Bad Company 2 for so long. The series doesn't need to be made ultra serious. Why even having different IPs at that point if they're all going to be the same damn thing.
Last edited by Effect; 11-22-2013 at 02:52 PM.
I disagree. Rush took the large "battlefield" and gameplay, chaos, and larger strategies from earlier BF games and threw it out the window. It literally put the game into a full time chokehold mode that negatively impacted the larger gameplay.Originally Posted by endlessflood
I've played every BF game apart from BF2142, and my favourite MP is actually BFBC2. Rush mode in that game delivered a level of intensity coupled with a requirement for teamwork which hasn't been matched by any other game in my opinion. BF3 was a big step backwards in my opinion. I really miss BFBC2 as it was at its height - I still jump on from time to time, but full Rush matches are a thing of the past in my region :(
Here is the thing though, I wouldnt have minded them ditching the humor if the SP gameplay in the series became better and better as they did it. It didnt.
The SP is still pretty dull and now the only saving grace (which was the humor) that kept me playing through is gone. Didnt even bother going past the first hour of BF3. Whenever I get BF4 I doubt I will be boot up the campaign.
The SP is still pretty dull and now the only saving grace (which was the humor) that kept me playing through is gone. Didnt even bother going past the first hour of BF3. Whenever I get BF4 I doubt I will be boot up the campaign.
Could not agree with this more. Well put.Originally Posted by Wthermans
I disagree. Rush took the large "battlefield" and gameplay, chaos, and larger strategies from earlier BF games and threw it out the window. It literally put the game into a full time chokehold mode that negatively impacted the larger gameplay.
I'm going to guess because at the time, BC1 sold well enough that a sequel was justified.Originally Posted by MormaPope
You're misinterpreting context. If Bad Company 1 appealed to a small audience, why was Bad Company 2 greenlit? Why was the Vietnam expansion greenlit if the audience for Bad Company 2 was small?
Too niche = Personality.
DICE, you know that no one plays your game for single player, right?
Better to have a niche fanbase of your single player rather than no fans of your single player.
MP guys will still be there, if I recall, BC2 did well for its MP community.
Better yet, I know some guys who never touch MP games in their lives and bought BC1 for its singleplayer... and loved it! they bought the second one just for that, although they were a bit disappointed with that one.
Still refused to try MP, no matter how hard I try to convince em.
Better to have a niche fanbase of your single player rather than no fans of your single player.
MP guys will still be there, if I recall, BC2 did well for its MP community.
Better yet, I know some guys who never touch MP games in their lives and bought BC1 for its singleplayer... and loved it! they bought the second one just for that, although they were a bit disappointed with that one.
Still refused to try MP, no matter how hard I try to convince em.
Fuck off, DICE. Bad Company was special because of its humor and personality.
Well BF 3's being the single worst campaign I have ever played regardless of genre.Originally Posted by jediyoshi
In the context of what? Literally any other genre's campaigns?
With all that effort being thrown at it and it can't even top titles at the bottom of the FPS barrel in anything other than graphics.
And so they proceed to make some of the worst shooter campaigns of all time?
When you make something for everybody, you make it for nobody.
When you make something for everybody, you make it for nobody.
DICE stop listening to the masses
Uh, I'm pretty sure Bad Company 2 sold more than 10 million copies?!
No humor allowed in FPS's? That is one of the elements I loved about Bullet Storm. It didn't take it self serious. Gamers only want gritty, grisly, hardcore action that is serious 100% of the times? No variety or remotely comical personalities allowed.
The oddest thing about this claim is that BC2's humour was only within the singleplayer anyway. The meat and gravy multiplayer of both arms of BF is devoid of the comic anyway.
I doubt the masses cared. It was probably diehard BF fans that pissed and moaned.
Personally I'd take Bad Company over what we have now any day of the week, and twice on Sundays.
Personally I'd take Bad Company over what we have now any day of the week, and twice on Sundays.
I'm curious. I NEVER play shooter campaigns from COD or BF games. Does anyone else just skip them? I personally would prefer they take SP out of both franchises, invest the time and money into MP and launch with double the maps, weapons, vehicles etc.
He's absolutely right. And they lost me, part of the niche customer base, because of it.
I loved BF1942 and BF1943.
I really liked BF: Bad Company 1.
I laughed at BF3 and went back to Team Fortress 2.
BF4? I haven't really thought about it all. I downloaded the beta, got complaints from the game that it couldn't find the web browser plugin, and then I didn't bother with it at all.
I loved BF1942 and BF1943.
I really liked BF: Bad Company 1.
I laughed at BF3 and went back to Team Fortress 2.
BF4? I haven't really thought about it all. I downloaded the beta, got complaints from the game that it couldn't find the web browser plugin, and then I didn't bother with it at all.
Last edited by CecilRousso; 11-22-2013 at 03:00 PM.
The masses are idiots confirmed. Even worse are companies like DICE listening to them.
They really do not understand what their fans like about their games, do they? :-/
Rush needs teamwork to function properly. If you play it with a group of mic'd up friends it delivers an experience that I enjoyed more than any other mode I've played in a BF game. I prefer conquest if I'm playing on my own because only a very basic level of teamwork is required (and so your enjoyment isn't as dependent on the randoms you're playing with)... but with friends it's all about the co-ordinated strategy of Rush, and BFBC2 had fantastic Rush maps.Originally Posted by Wthermans
I disagree. Rush took the large "battlefield" and gameplay, chaos, and larger strategies from earlier BF games and threw it out the window. It literally put the game into a full time chokehold mode that negatively impacted the larger gameplay.
Man, fuck those people. BF's multiplayer can stay the same for all I care, but have some god damn fun with the campaign. It's all so soulless and homogenised. Ugh.
Catering to the Mainstream needs to GTFO of our hobby.
If they're that mindless they'll buy it anyway as long as it has guns.
If they're that mindless they'll buy it anyway as long as it has guns.
DICE are idiots. Give me back Bad Company, I don't care about your serious ass BF3 and 4.
No calling it "Bad Company" made it niche. If Bad Company 2 had been called Battlefield 3 it would have sold much better
I guess all those copies of Borderlands that were sold were a fluke eh DICE?
How about you stop making excuses for your shitty single player campaigns of recent years and fucking fix BF4? My PS4 turns up with a copy of it next week. I expect it to work.
How about you stop making excuses for your shitty single player campaigns of recent years and fucking fix BF4? My PS4 turns up with a copy of it next week. I expect it to work.
I think they're refering specifically to the singe player. The multiplayer is probably what shifted the majority of those 12 million sales (I think that's safe to assume), but they're suggesting the SP (where the humour was situated) was only appreciated by a niche audience.12 million copies of BF:BC2 according to wikipedia, sourcing EA's own reports (which I can only find reference to 9 million sales in). Real fucking niche. :/
So their response was to make BF3 and 4's SP as generic as possible to appeal to more in a general sense but not really satisfying anyone craving something more unique.
This is like Overstrike all over again.
The sales were lower because it was funny. Not because it wasn't established yet. Battlefield 2: Modern Combat sold billions on original Xbox with all it's seriousness.
BFBC2's awesomeness made it too niche
The worst thing is that they try to be so fucking serious and melodramatic That it's totally ridiculous. The scene with those guys drowning in the beginning of BF4 was so dumb.Man, fuck those people. BF's multiplayer can stay the same for all I care, but have some god damn fun with the campaign. It's all so soulless and homogenised. Ugh.
Bad company games had some awesome single player moments. it's a shame DICE feels this way
If they wanted a more "hard-boiled" angle, they should have just played Stranglehold.
That has nothing to do with these comments from supposedly BF fans or randoms who were specifically talking about SP. I'm pretty sure the Bad Company spinoff was made for a console audience but eventually placated to the PC fans with Bad Company 2.Originally Posted by Wthermans
Bad Company had forgettable single player and some of the smallest BF Multiplayer in the franchises history. It pissed off gamers who we're wanting BF3 and the scale of early BF games. The fact they wasted time on console exclusives just pissed off PC gamers who were their primary fan base up to that point.
Not surprising that DICE just doesn't get it.
And this is why we have the soulless BF 3 and 4 campaigns.When we did the original Bad Company and the sequel, we got a lot of criticism. Why would I play this? It's not a serious shooter, I don't care about this. I want a serious shooter with a more hard-boiled angle.
You get those hints of the humour in there. I mean, total eclipe of the heart is inspired. But jesus christ, enough of the seriousness.The worst thing is that they try to be so fucking serious and melodramatic That it's totally ridiculous. The scene with those guys drowning in the beginning of BF4 was so dumb.
Bad Company 2 = best battlefield
I think the game structure, mechanics and visuals are what sold Borderlands. You could have made that game completely devoid of humor and upped the violence etc and it still would have sold amazingly well.Originally Posted by Corleth the Fey
I guess all those copies of Borderlands that were sold were a fluke eh DICE?
I always found that you had to actually rush in BFBC2. If you hung back and tried shoot from a far to try and get kills you would never advance. There are some maps that make that painfully obvious when the entire tree line for example could be destroyed leaving you with no cover because you didn't push fast enough and in big enough numbers. That seemingly everything could be destroyed made that mode far more interesting. Can't get pass that build because snipers are in it, etc? Just bring the damn thing down and watch as they try to jump out in time. I still remember being amazed at how a map looked after a match compared to how it started.Originally Posted by endlessflood
Rush needs teamwork to function properly. If you play it with a group of mic'd up friends it delivers an experience that I enjoyed more than any other mode I've played in a BF game. I prefer conquest if I'm playing on my own because only a very basic level of teamwork is required (and so your enjoyment isn't as dependent on the randoms you're playing with)... but with friends it's all about the co-ordinated strategy of Rush, and BFBC2 had fantastic Rush maps.
Oh fuck off DICE. BC's humor was awesome and you should feel bad for thinking otherwise.
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