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antitrop · 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by Heavy

Are the "WHAT" and similar replies on the first page sarcastic? What he said makes a lot of sense. The masses are turned off by non-realistic tones in these games. I'm saddened by it but it's reality.

As a combat veteran of the US Marine Corps, these modern BF/MoH/CoD games are about as realistic and serious as Halo.
I suppose it's just "perceived realism" that's important, not actual authenticity.

People want realism? That was Full Spectrum Warrior, ArmA etc. People don't want that. People want seriousness? That was Spec Ops: The Line, they didn't want that either.

They want power-fantasies.

I reject the notion that you can't make a "realistic/serious military shooter" with a good dose of appropriately placed humor that will be palatable to the wide-audience.

In fact, humor and cynicism is about the only way to keep your sanity in real-life warfare, but whatever. They're making these games for fantasy hungry teenagers that like to watch shit blow up cool, not people that read history books and watch documentaries.

Duxxy3 · (11-22-2013, 10:25 PM)

I haven't bought a battlefield since bad company 2.

I guess I am a niche market.

SmoothRunningGun · (11-22-2013, 10:30 PM)

Originally Posted by Saty

http://www.oxm.co.uk/66753/battlefie...eal-says-dice/

No. It made it special.

Neuromancer · (11-22-2013, 10:32 PM)

Originally Posted by Duxxy3

I haven't bought a battlefield since bad company 2.

I guess I am a niche market.

Yep me too. And even BC2's campaign was a step backwards, both in the humor department and the level/enemy encounter design department.

Oh well if EA/DICE don't want me to buy their games, I'll gladly oblige them.

eliochip · (11-22-2013, 10:41 PM)

Great. Now I wanna go back and play Bad Company 2 again

Metal Gear?! · (11-22-2013, 10:55 PM)

Originally Posted by antitrop

As a combat veteran of the US Marine Corps, these modern BF/MoH/CoD games are about as realistic and serious as Halo.
I suppose it's just "perceived realism" that's important, not actual authenticity.

People want realism? That was Full Spectrum Warrior, ArmA etc. People don't want that. People want seriousness? That was Spec Ops: The Line, they didn't want that either.

They want power-fantasies.

I reject the notion that you can't make a "realistic/serious military shooter" with a good dose of appropriately placed humor that will be palatable to the wide-audience.

In fact, humor and cynicism is about the only way to keep your sanity in real-life warfare, but whatever. They're making these games for fantasy hungry teenagers that like to watch shit blow up cool, not people that read history books and watch documentaries.

Yeah, I think it's pretty clear that it's what 11-15 year old kids think is "realistic" and cool. "Reelism" if you will. The most they can ever know about the real life military is what their older sibling who serves chooses to share with them.

So if they don't think overt humor is "cool" or "realistic" then they aren't going to jump on board.

As for cynicism though, let's face it, there's nothing more cynical than the serious modern military manshooter. Modern Warfare 2 and Battlefield 3 are way more cynical than Bad Company 1 could ever be.

purnoman3000 · (11-22-2013, 11:02 PM)

Who in the fuck said this?

"Why would I play this? It's not a serious shooter, I don't care about this. I want a serious shooter with a more hard-boiled angle."

Besides, the multiplayer which was the best part didn't even have the humour part so that excuse is BS.

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Tzeentch · (11-22-2013, 11:04 PM)

Well, considering what DICE thinks passes for acceptable characterization and plotting in BF3 and BF4 singleplayer (that is, aggressively attacks your intelligence at every turn) it's not surprising that they agree that Bad Company was niche. After all, neither Bad Company was in-your-face stupid like Battlefield was.

antitrop · 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by Tzeentch

Well, considering what DICE thinks passes for acceptable characterization and plotting in BF3 and BF4 singleplayer

Battlefield 4's single player campaign is fairly offensive at some points, with regards to the characters and their behavior.

If DICE cares so much about supposed realism, they could at least spend the money to hire some fucking military consultants. Although, I suppose Medal of Honor: Warfighter showed how much good that does (none).

It's pretty damn sad that Walt Williams (lead writer) and the small team on Spec Ops: The Line were able to trump DICE and their monstrous budget, when it comes to characterization. Not just trump, but utterly fucking shame and embarrass, even.

NullPointer · (11-22-2013, 11:25 PM)

Originally Posted by antitrop

If DICE cares so much about supposed realism, they could at least spend the money to hire some fucking military consultants. Although, I suppose Medal of Honor: Warfighter showed how much good that does (none).

"Authenticity" seems to extend only to weaponry and gear.

antitrop · 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by NullPointer

"Authenticity" seems to extend only to weaponry and gear.

Black Ops II seemed pretty well-received to me. They had all sorts of crazy fucking future-tech shit in that game and people ate it up.

I really don't know what DICE is on about here. You can make pretty much anything appeal to the mass-market if you do it correctly, I think it's patently absurd that they think any element humor will automatically turn a large audience off.

Bouniter · (11-22-2013, 11:28 PM)

Originally Posted by antitrop

As a combat veteran of the US Marine Corps, these modern BF/MoH/CoD games are about as realistic and serious as Halo.
I suppose it's just "perceived realism" that's important, not actual authenticity.

People want realism? That was Full Spectrum Warrior, ArmA etc. People don't want that. People want seriousness? That was Spec Ops: The Line, they didn't want that either.

They want power-fantasies.

I reject the notion that you can't make a "realistic/serious military shooter" with a good dose of appropriately placed humor that will be palatable to the wide-audience.

In fact, humor and cynicism is about the only way to keep your sanity in real-life warfare, but whatever. They're making these games for fantasy hungry teenagers that like to watch shit blow up cool, not people that read history books and watch documentaries.

Well said could not agree more.

Phil0sophy · (11-22-2013, 11:31 PM)

Who needs humour in life when you can have Michael Bay explosive set pieces.

Humour is an outdated concept, I much prefer watching a dog realistically take down a helicopter...serious business.

meanspartan · (11-22-2013, 11:34 PM)

Originally Posted by ShogunX

Have to agree. BF3 and BF4 actually feel like a downgrade when compared to BC. Not only that but BC had some amazing maps that led to some really crazy shit happening, none of this forced ''only in Battlefield'' nonsense we get today but instead multiple moments of madness per match.

They are a downgrade IMO. Even though BC2 had less player count (32 instead of 64 in the later games, though console both had 24), everything just felt.....better.

The buildings on the maps were far simpler and mostly smaller, but that meant the destructibility was far less scripted (or at least felt that way).

And outside of the destruction, I liked the multiplayer better for reasons I can't really put into words. Like it had some sort of X-Factor that I'm not even sure what it was, but the shooting just felt...better.

I dunno, long live BC2! I still hope some day we get a BC3, for both the campaign AND for the unique feel of the BC multiplayer.

Milennia · (11-22-2013, 11:34 PM)

Its upsetting that they perceive the market that game attracted as niche... It was an amazing game and everyone who i came in contact with that gave it at least a try (there were many) said the same.

Fairly rare for a military shooter campaign, haven't enjoyed one since.

Rebel Leader · (11-22-2013, 11:35 PM)

Originally Posted by NullPointer

There was a Bad Company 3?

And holy hell I couldn't disagree more about BC1 - it was the best campaign Dice has made yet.

THAR'S GOLD IN THEM HILLS!

Artorias · (11-22-2013, 11:37 PM)

I still remember that god awful commercial that said something like "I don't want to be in GOOD company."

Phil0sophy · (11-22-2013, 11:45 PM)

Originally Posted by antitrop

Battlefield 4's single player campaign is fairly offensive at some points, with regards to the characters and their behavior.

If DICE cares so much about supposed realism, they could at least spend the money to hire some fucking military consultants. Although, I suppose Medal of Honor: Warfighter showed how much good that does (none).

It's pretty damn sad that Walt Williams (lead writer) and the small team on Spec Ops: The Line were able to trump DICE and their monstrous budget, when it comes to characterization. Not just trump, but utterly fucking shame and embarrass, even.

I literally played through both Ghosts and BF4 campaigns and by the time the credits rolled on both I had actually forgot I was even playing, I literally went into autopilot mode, who was I fighting again? No idea, one had a dog and the other had a boat, infact both had a level with a boat that looked almost identical.

And Ghosts had a tank level that looked just the same as the one from BF3, only with subpar graphics.

I cannot remember the last time I played a game about war that had a fantastic gripping story with appropriate humour (its like these developers think nobody shares a joke when they are in a war ffs)

I don't know who is giving them feedback on what people want but I don't see anybody saying how great Ghosts or BF4's campaigns were as a matter of fact its almost the complete opposite.

Shaanyboi · (11-23-2013, 12:10 AM)

I want to punch a wall.

Fucking idiots...

Razgriz-Specter · (11-23-2013, 12:19 AM)

Originally Posted by Phil0sophy

Who needs humour in life when you can have Michael Bay explosive set pieces.

Humour is an outdated concept, I much prefer watching a dog realistically take down a helicopter...serious business.

Hey now at least COD still has the fun factor and they go so ridiculously over the top that it stays enjoyable.
BF campaigns really have nothing going for them other than graphics.

Nokterian · (11-23-2013, 12:32 AM)

Time to reinstall BFBC2 guys..having a blast (more then BF4) and man 8 gig's for such a game.

Phil0sophy · (11-23-2013, 11:17 AM)

Originally Posted by Razgriz-Specter

Hey now at least COD still has the fun factor and they go so ridiculously over the top that it stays enjoyable.
BF campaigns really have nothing going for them other than graphics.

I do agree to a certain degree, but both try to implement this semi serious underlying story which is ridiculous when all the other stuff is happening.

I agree though Battlefield should just drop campaign and focus on multiplayer.

Sojgat · (11-23-2013, 11:33 AM)

Well, looking on the bright side, this means I never need to play another Battlefield campaign.

BrainZEROX · (11-23-2013, 12:00 PM)

I enjoyed Bad Company's solo campaign, it was not a corridor shooter, had some very funny situations (racing tanks with a golf cart, flying a bling gold plated attack chopper...) and the dialogues in the crew where a unique addition. I rate it higher than most COD solo campaigns, COD4 is better though but in a different way.

A shame they can't replicate it. Dice should concentrate on multiplayer aspects while another studio could deal with the solo campaign. The best BF package to me would be a combination of a Bad Company solo campaign and a BF2/3/4-like multiplayer component.

bangladesh · (11-28-2013, 04:25 AM)

BFBC2 is the only multiplayer FPS i enjoy

its been over 3 years since i got it and i love it to death

haggard, sweetwater, marlowe and redford are the best

Tzeentch · (11-28-2013, 06:47 AM)

Originally Posted by NullPointer

"Authenticity" seems to extend only to weaponry and gear.

BF had "Marines" wearing Navy uniforms. I pretty much gave up that they had an actual military advisor at that point.

I mean hell, they could get people to comment on that stuff for free. It's not hard.

shem935 · (11-28-2013, 06:51 AM)

God damn bad company 1 was so good.

Razgriz-Specter · (11-28-2013, 07:19 AM)

Originally Posted by Tzeentch

BF had "Marines" wearing Navy uniforms. I pretty much gave up that they had an actual military advisor at that point.

I mean hell, they could get people to comment on that stuff for free. It's not hard.

Huh? What Marines were wearing Navy uniforms?
I do know the marines in BF4 are wearing Army uniforms though.

On the subject what the hell were the uniforms in Bad Company 1 supposed to be?
Gear was about right but that camo was really weird.

Parakeetman · (11-28-2013, 07:26 AM)

Originally Posted by antitrop

As a combat veteran of the US Marine Corps, these modern BF/MoH/CoD games are about as realistic and serious as Halo.
I suppose it's just "perceived realism" that's important, not actual authenticity.

People want realism? That was Full Spectrum Warrior, ArmA etc. People don't want that. People want seriousness? That was Spec Ops: The Line, they didn't want that either.

They want power-fantasies.

I reject the notion that you can't make a "realistic/serious military shooter" with a good dose of appropriately placed humor that will be palatable to the wide-audience.

In fact, humor and cynicism is about the only way to keep your sanity in real-life warfare, but whatever. They're making these games for fantasy hungry teenagers that like to watch shit blow up cool, not people that read history books and watch documentaries.

As a close friend of mine said and hes right about what people want. "Its saving the world every 15 minutes"...

grosvenor_92 · (11-28-2013, 03:14 PM)

So if we all bought BC 2 for a $1 thanks to the origin poll would they reconsider ?