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Alo81
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(11-23-2013, 09:07 PM)
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I was watching GB's livestream of the Xbox one yesterday and it seemed like for the most part, load times were really long.

It took a really long time to boot, and a bunch of games had load times that rivaled Crash Bandicoot the Wrath of Cortex for the PS2.

Is it because of the low RPM HDD? Since it's not user replaceable, is this something that people are just going to be stuck with for the lifetime of their XBO assuming dev's don't find a way to load in more quickly?

I'm just curious if anyone knows the cause because it seems to be a general issue with the system.
Last edited by Alo81; 11-23-2013 at 09:15 PM.
MoeB
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(11-23-2013, 09:08 PM)
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dzelly
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(11-23-2013, 09:09 PM)
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I dont know, but they do. I try extra hard to not die in Dead Rising 3 so I don't have to wait a minute plus to get back into the game. It's crazy.
Flandy
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(11-23-2013, 09:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by MoeB

RED RAM

I was expecting the first reply to be DDR3.
Katana_Strikes
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(11-23-2013, 09:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by dzelly

I dont know, but they do. I try extra hard to not die in Dead Rising 3 so I don't have to wait a minute plus to get back into the game. It's crazy.

Sounds as bad as Too Human.
MonkeyKnuckle
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(11-23-2013, 09:10 PM)
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I think it depends on the game. FIFA 14 has practically no loading whatsoever, starting a game is pretty much instant.
MThanded
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(11-23-2013, 09:11 PM)
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I'd like to know this too.
claviertekky
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(11-23-2013, 09:11 PM)
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Slow HD.

Game data management. I wonder if they are images or single files.

I think there are like 5 partitions going on in that hard drive setup with data transfers in between for loading and caching.
Valkyr Junkie
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(11-23-2013, 09:11 PM)
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Lifetime of their 360?
Sleeplessnights
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(11-23-2013, 09:12 PM)
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Budget HDD?
eshwaaz
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(11-23-2013, 09:12 PM)
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Yeah, it's pretty bad. Ryse and Dead Rising 3 both have surprisingly long load times. I really hope things improve in future titles.
Xone9
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(11-23-2013, 09:13 PM)
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from me saying "Xbox On" it goes from off to home screen in like 10 secs..
thats pretty cool
stfuppercut
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(11-23-2013, 09:13 PM)
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They have some kind of special ram that runs really hot
rokkerkory
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(11-23-2013, 09:13 PM)
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It's probably the games
OmahaG8
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(11-23-2013, 09:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by Valkyr Junkie

Lifetime of their 360?

I laughed because I still do this verbally, but he/she typed it.
maquiladora
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(11-23-2013, 09:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by Xone9

from me saying "Xbox On" it goes from off to home screen in like 10 secs..
thats pretty cool

Isn't that just coming out of standby though? OP is talking about game loading.
Lebron
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(11-23-2013, 09:14 PM)
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No idea. Ryse and DR3 disc-based takes some time. Digital Forza 5 isn't nearly as bad.
JoeTheBlow
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(11-23-2013, 09:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by dzelly

I dont know, but they do. I try extra hard to not die in Dead Rising 3 so I don't have to wait a minute plus to get back into the game. It's crazy.

Wait, wat?!
Its a fucking hard drive! Just restarting the level takes that long?
ChosenPredator
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(11-23-2013, 09:14 PM)
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yeah I guess I can see this with Ryse but the smaller games like Crimson Dragon/KI load pretty fast but it can always be improved.
claviertekky
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(11-23-2013, 09:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by Xone9

from me saying "Xbox On" it goes from off to home screen in like 10 secs..
thats pretty cool

I'm just guessing here.

Maybe the solid state memory stores the main OS (8 GB MMC NAND), much like the 360 did with 16 MB.
Last edited by claviertekky; 11-23-2013 at 09:16 PM.
MThanded
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(11-23-2013, 09:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by Xone9

from me saying "Xbox On" it goes from off to home screen in like 10 secs..
thats pretty cool

What does that have to do with loading games?

Originally Posted by ChosenPredator

yeah I guess I can see this with Ryse but the smaller games like Crimson Dragon/KI load pretty fast but it can always be improved.

Gerstmann said KI load times were very bad. The Polygon stream had crimson dragon and it was loading pretty slow too.
SeanNaess
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(11-23-2013, 09:15 PM)
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Still early days yet. I'm sure things will be optimized over time, it's obvious they wanted to get the OS out the door pretty quick. Hopefully they don't take too long to update it!
Tablo
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(11-23-2013, 09:15 PM)
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:/ Dat 5400rpm spindle drive. Wish they could've included a hybrid 7200rpm drive by default, probably not for noise reasons though, which is a damn shame.
Satchel
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(11-23-2013, 09:15 PM)
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Id say it's the games. Not optimised well enough.

DR3 takes aaaaaaaaaaaaages.
Valkyr Junkie
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(11-23-2013, 09:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by Xone9

from me saying "Xbox On" it goes from off to home screen in like 10 secs..
thats pretty cool

It's not "off" if Kinect can wake it up.
Protomanx13
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(11-23-2013, 09:16 PM)
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From a programmer perspective, it depends on the structure of the game. If the first level requires a large chunk of the code library and it needed to be install, then it will take a long time to load

I assume this play while install is a last minute addon after sony announced the instant play feature so many games that is already in development is not optimized for it
Alo81
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(11-23-2013, 09:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by Valkyr Junkie

Lifetime of their 360?

Aha my bad. I just equate 360 with Xbox now because that's what I always called my 360. Fixed it in the OP.
shungokusatsu
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(11-23-2013, 09:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by Lebron

No idea. Ryse and DR3 disc-based takes some time. Digital Forza 5 isn't nearly as bad.

The loading in Ryse between levels and/or restarting a level is over a minute. Incredibly annoying.
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(11-23-2013, 09:17 PM)
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Sad to hear. The 360 trained me to turn the system on or select an app and go do other things while it loads. I was hoping thngs woupd be better with the XB1 because the PS4 is no joke when it comes to speed. Switching between apps/games is instant, boot up is quick and it just blows my mind every time I do it.
a Master Ninja
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(11-23-2013, 09:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by rokkerkory

It's probably the games

I hope so. Launch and near-launch 360 games were pretty bad too. Burnout Revenge in particular was painful.
st1llx
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(11-23-2013, 09:18 PM)
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next gen baby
Ryuuga
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(11-23-2013, 09:19 PM)
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The zoo tycoon loading times during the Polygon livestream marathon still confuses me.
Jeramii
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(11-23-2013, 09:20 PM)
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What is horrible is if you quit to the menu (yes, the menu) in Dead Rising, you still have to wait a solid minute.
MThanded
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(11-23-2013, 09:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by Jeramii

What is horrible is if you quit to the menu (yes, the menu) in Dead Rising, you still have to wait a solid minute.

Well that's dumb.
shungokusatsu
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(11-23-2013, 09:23 PM)
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Originally Posted by a Master Ninja

I hope so. Launch and near-launch 360 games were pretty bad too. Burnout Revenge in particular was painful.

I don't think so, some of the apps have the same damn problem. Hard to say if it's due to server overload from all the new players, or if it's an actual issue. Upload studio was sporadic for me all day yesterday, sometimes it opens in 15 seconds and sometimes it's 2 minutes.
AuthenticM
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(11-23-2013, 09:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by Alo81

It took a really long time to boot, and a bunch of games had load times that rivaled Crash Bandicoot the Wrath of Cortex for the PS2.

Holy shit. This is bad.
Ryuuga
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(11-23-2013, 09:25 PM)
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Zoo Tycoon - 25 Seconds
Alchemy
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(11-23-2013, 09:27 PM)
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It takes a while to fill 5GB of RAM, and I'm guessing that despite mandatory installs, the Xbone doesn't do the same thing that the PS4 does to speed up load times and read from both the disc and HDD at the same time.
AgentP
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(11-23-2013, 09:28 PM)
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Long installs, big patches and long load times. GG MS.
dragonbane
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(11-23-2013, 09:28 PM)
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Ryse really surprised me. Player I watched died inside a house (small area) and just reloading the checkpoint took about 30-60 seconds. Loading savefiles in CryEngine games on PC is almost instant if the level is already loaded, so I'm not sure what is going on with Ryse considering the PC like architecture of the bone.
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Cels
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(11-23-2013, 09:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by dzelly

I dont know, but they do. I try extra hard to not die in Dead Rising 3 so I don't have to wait a minute plus to get back into the game. It's crazy.

wait a second. if you die in DR3 the game takes over one minute to load before you get to play again?
shungokusatsu
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(11-23-2013, 09:30 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cels

wait a second. if you die in DR3 the game takes over one minute to load before you get to play again?

Yes, as does Ryse, including for checkpoint restarts.
mrklaw
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(11-23-2013, 09:31 PM)
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It doesn't make sense. From watching the various streams, it seems PS4 is much faster both for installing games from disc and general loading times.

Yet both have a similar amount of memory and similar HDDs
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(11-23-2013, 09:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by shungokusatsu

Yes, as does Ryse, including for checkpoint restarts.

Holy shit.
cookie-monster
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(11-23-2013, 09:33 PM)
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Totally defeats the object of suspend/resume. gg.
JoeTheBlow
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(11-23-2013, 09:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by Foxix

Holy shit.

Have any reviews mentioned this travesty?
What the fuck.
GrimlÝck
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(11-23-2013, 09:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by dzelly

I dont know, but they do. I try extra hard to not die in Dead Rising 3 so I don't have to wait a minute plus to get back into the game. It's crazy.

That's part of the design. It adds to the tension.
pixlexic
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(11-23-2013, 09:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cels

wait a second. if you die in DR3 the game takes over one minute to load before you get to play again?

This actually can easily be proven or not by someone recording it in a video.

I don't have time right to do it myself though.
Ryuuga
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(11-23-2013, 09:44 PM)
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Originally Posted by pixlexic

This actually can easily be proven or not by someone recording it in a video.

I don't have time right to do it myself though.

I was trying to find some Let's Play videos where we might see some checkpoint restarts, but haven't been able to find anything. If anyone had the ability to record restarts in DR3 that'd be useful. The only thing I remember is the long load checkpoint restarts during the Polygon livestream, but that was during a psycho fight, I assume it'd be the same for the game otherwise.
pixlexic
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(11-23-2013, 09:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ryuuga

I was trying to find some Let's Play videos where we might see some checkpoint restarts, but haven't been able to find anything. If anyone had the ability to record restarts in DR3 that'd be useful. The only thing I remember is the long load checkpoint restarts during the Polygon livestream, but that was during a psycho fight, I assume it'd be the same for the game otherwise.

I would say the initial load for both is long.. but I haven't seen any long load times while in game. But I am not sure I have ever died in either game lol.

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