I could be mixing them up with other matches. So much Starcraft this weekend it's making my head spin. Doesn't help there are two Heroes playing in two different tournaments.Originally Posted by SamuraiX-
Wow. Really surprised to hear. Gonna have to go watch the replays.
I don't think they're nearly that bad, the matchup is still quite good. I'm really against that sort of change to turrets just as i think the change to spores was dumb as well. Personally i think they over nerfed mines (they shouldn't have been touched) and now they just simply don't do enough damage to mutas.Originally Posted by SamuraiX-
Blizzard either needs to drop the fucking Muta regen or give Missile Turrents the same +30 vs Biological that Spores get. Mutas balls are equally as stupid as Colossi balls in PvP. And I fucking HATE PvP.
If they want to make mech viable it shouldn't be done by nerfing widow mines (which should be a part of a mech army anyway). They should have just buffed tanks properly and just been done with it. Wait and see what issues that causes in each matchup and deal with it then.
Ground vs air is fine. Were wraiths really the response to mutas in BW? I mean of all the units i would want them to bring back wraiths would be way down the list.They need to give terran a viable air unit against them. They need to bring back wraiths.
Edit: HOLY CRAP! Bomber just dropped a huge Bomb on Scarlett. Like just rolled her with pure bio. I feel for Scarlett though playing Dream for a long time. But GO BOMBER!
loooooooooooolYeah, her mutas really were overpowering. The missile turret just doesn't do anywhere near enough damage for a structure that's supposed to exclusively attack air.
Terran just need to build more fucking turrets.
No, the ground vs air counter was having 11 mutas per control group (1 overlord to stack them) and the medic marine being cost efficient enough to play 2 base vs 5.Originally Posted by AdventureRacing
Ground vs air is fine. Were wraiths really the response to mutas in BW? I mean of all the units i would want them to bring back wraiths would be way down the list.
Don't even give her a single game this time!
At least Scarlett's having a good time.
Scarlett!
GGWP to Scarlett. Have to cheer for MVP. Stupid herO winning the Winners match.
GGWP, he played very well. Should have stuck to bio but it was good seeing Mech.
Edit: LOL Dreamhack is happening in less than 2 hours. Missing most of the lower bracket.
With the Muta vs Mine talk, the only difference now is you need 1 more (or 2, can't remember the exact mine nerf) to instantly kill a muta ball. 2 mines kill exactly 2 Muta's like before. 3 mines kill exactly 3 Muta's like before. You need 5-6 now if you want them dead instantly.
WOOOOOOOO
Scarlett!
Three Zergs now in the quarterfinals. Most likely one more coming from Group D.Originally Posted by AdventureRacing
Fuck yessssssssssssssssssssssssss. Scarlett!
I hope all the incoming ZvZs are worth it for you guys. ;_;
C'mon Squirtle + Hydra! Wouldn't mind Grubby making it either but Hack needs to piss off. If he ends up making it to the quarterfinals over Bomber and Dream, tables will be flipped.
Scarlett, abuser of mutas and destroyer of SamuraiX-'s dreams.
Don't worry man. We will see more of Dream in Proleague along with Maru and all the good Terrans that aren't Bomber, Taeja and Innovation. We have Taeja and Innovation in a few hours in DH. Bomber will also be in the HOT6 cup thankfully.Originally Posted by SamuraiX-
Three Zergs now in the quarterfinals. Most likely one more coming from Group D.
I hope all the incoming ZvZs are worth it for you guys. ;_;
C'mon Squirtle + Hydra! Wouldn't mind Grubby making it either but Hack needs to piss off. If he ends up making it to the quarterfinals over Bomber and Dream, tables will be flipped.
Doesn't bother me i enjoy ZvZ's. I would have loved bomber and dream to be there but i'm a fan of Scarlett and i like seeing foreigners do well.Originally Posted by SamuraiX-
Three Zergs now in the quarterfinals. Most likely one more coming from Group D.
I hope all the incoming ZvZs are worth it for you guys. ;_;
i c wut u did tharOriginally Posted by Crimsonlink
Don't worry man. We will see more of Dream in Proleague along with Maru and all the good Terrans that aren't Bomber, Taeja and Innovation. We have Taeja and Innovation in a few hours in DH. Bomber will also be in the HOT6 cup thankfully.
And yeah, I can't wait to see more of Dream in Proleague. He only ever attends IEM tournaments and hasn't done that well in the GSL until very recently.
How long have you been living without a soul?Ditto a fan of Scarlett, and as I've said a couple of times, the sounds of Roach on Roach violence soothe me.
*scree*
LOL IMO ZvZ is just one step up on PvP aka 2nd weakest matchup.Originally Posted by SamuraiX-
i c wut u did thar
And yeah, I can't wait to see more of Dream in Proleague. He only ever attends IEM tournaments and hasn't done that well in the GSL until very recently.
How long have been able to live without a soul?
1. TvZ King of all match ups.
2. PvZ A good matchup when its allin from toss.
3. TvT Best Mirror by a country mile.
4. TvP (going Bio all the time just made this MU much less exciting for me and allins just leave a bad taste in my mouth)
5. ZvZ (Muta or Roach, Pick your poison)
6. PvP (Allins or colossus wars with some Tempests sprinkled in,
Anyways time to sleep and hope I wake up for Naniwa vs JYP. Maybe Grubby will move out of this group.
Agree with this a lot. That's one of the things they messed up on with SC2 which just baffles me. The sound effects in SC1 are just fantastic, listening to that and the music alone is so damn entertaining.The sfx and particles are just so good, it baffles my mind how they could nail that aspect and just flub Colossi deathballs so badly. Here's a million DPS, and you get desktop laser pointer effects.
*scree*
1. TvP
2. TvZ
3. PvP
4. TvT
5. PvZ
6. ZvZ
How can PvP be so high for you? Its still Rock Papers and Scissors aka Stargate vs Robo vs Twilight. The only time its good imo is when someone does a weird rush with cannons or tons of units.Lategame is have more colossus or tempests.Originally Posted by unknownstranger
My order of match ups:
1. TvP
2. TvZ
3. PvP
4. TvT
5. PvZ
6. ZvZ
TvT is only one of 3 combinations every single time and the only time mid-late game changes is if someone tech switches to Battlecruisers. PvP late game combines the techs and creating the perfect army composition which I enjoy more.Originally Posted by Crimsonlink
How can PvP be so high for you? Its still Rock Papers and Scissors aka Stargate vs Robo vs Twilight. The only time its good imo is when someone does a weird rush with cannons or tons of units.Lategame is have more colossus or tempests.
I see your point but TvT is more action packed which makes the better matchup.Originally Posted by unknownstranger
TvT is only one of 3 combinations every single time and the only time mid-late game changes is if someone tech switches to Battlecruisers. PvP late game combines the techs and creating the perfect army composition which I enjoy more.

Sadly gonna miss every single match except the final... Hopefully it'll be Mvp vs EffOrt. Really hoping for a Mvp vs DRG semifinal match. :O
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