How is Dust sexualized?Originally Posted by Funchameleon
There's a vast ocean of difference between Ratchet or Sonic or Bugs Bunny and Chiseled Wolf-Man in Hawaiian shirt. Sorry to Noogy, super talented guy (not that a lot of furry artists aren't), but his art just manages to verge into full on sexualized animal territory as a cursory Google Image Search will illuminate. That said, I don't care that much; it didn't stop me loving Dust, but it was very nearly in spite of the character art.
Originally Posted by Boss Doggie
How is Dust sexualized?
That's more or less a good case of what I was alluding to in my OP. The sexual part of the furry fandom influencing someone into thinking that there is something there of a sexual nature, while there isn't. Or at the very least isn't meant as anything more than comedic as was the case with the dancing scene on the Sly Cooper game for example.full on sexualized animal territory as a cursory Google Image Search will illuminate.
People name Dust and Solatorobo as sexualised but what it comes down to, I think at least, is that those are cases where the anthropomorphic creatures are more human by design vs something like Khajiit or the (original SNES) Starfox crew, which are more animal by design. The first being something that people now believe is supposed to be sexually attractive or pandering to a certain target audience which in consequence means it becomes disturbing to them, where the latter would be more neutral and as you can see throughout this thread, is generally more liked.
I thought "furry" related only to porn.
In real life, people in full costumes of any kind, animal or not, kind of creep me out. I don't have anything against furries themselves or how they choose to express themselves, it's just not for me. It doesn't bother me at all in games, though. I really need to get around to playing Dust...
Whatever Dust is, that is repulsive. Sonic or Star Fox are different and okay.
It is hard to explain, just like "legit anime" and "western nerds trying to make manga" anime. I can't describe to you what makes it so, but it's like a whole different world, clear as day to me. The DeviantArt argument is just a different way of describing this rift, but there are some legit artists on there so it doesn't really work either. To me there are certain styles that are just devoid of any appealing qualities whatsoever. They feel like abject shit, and at times it is hard to tell if that is because they are, or because those styles were so often associated with abject shit.
It is hard to explain, just like "legit anime" and "western nerds trying to make manga" anime. I can't describe to you what makes it so, but it's like a whole different world, clear as day to me. The DeviantArt argument is just a different way of describing this rift, but there are some legit artists on there so it doesn't really work either. To me there are certain styles that are just devoid of any appealing qualities whatsoever. They feel like abject shit, and at times it is hard to tell if that is because they are, or because those styles were so often associated with abject shit.
Wut....Donkey Kong's design is bad? How dare you!Originally Posted by Winterfang
If the design is good (Klonoa, Sonic, Blinx, Rachet) It guarantees a look from me either by box art or gameplay videos.
If the design is bad (Crash, Jack, Sly cooper, Donkey Kong, star fox, Rayman) then I'll dismiss it unless the game is amazing (new Spyro games)
That's more with artstyle being bad and not the art being fetishized.
Nope. Porn is actually a really small part of it (No more than any other fandom)I thought "furry" related only to porn.
But sadly, the media always focus on that side because it's more sensationalist and entertaining.
I'm a moderator on the UK's biggest furry forum, and we've had the media contact us specifically asking for people who are into the sexual side. It's pretty bad. It's all they care about.
uh...... no
I'll give you Crash, as for the others...Originally Posted by Winterfang
If the design is good (Klonoa, Sonic, Blinx, Rachet) It guarantees a look from me either by box art or gameplay videos.
If the design is bad (Crash, Jack, Sly cooper, Donkey Kong, star fox, Rayman) then I'll dismiss it unless the game is amazing (new Spyro games)
There is no difference, you dislike bad art.Whatever Dust is, that is repulsive. Sonic or Star Fox are different and okay.
It is hard to explain, just like "legit anime" and "western nerds trying to make manga" anime. I can't describe to you what makes it so, but it's like a whole different world, clear as day to me. The DeviantArt argument is just a different way of describing this rift, but there are some legit artists on there so it doesn't really work either. To me there are certain styles that are just devoid of any appealing qualities whatsoever. They feel like abject shit, and at times it is hard to tell if that is because they are, or because those styles were so often associated with abject shit.
I suppose that is a difference, but that difference has nothing to do with it being anthropomorphic, you just dislike bad art.
And while I enjoy the game, the character art in dust is downright awful, i know saying " I can do better than that" now is rather null and void, because its increasingly becoming more of my profession to do so. I attempted to rectify, at least in my head what i found wrong with the designs.
Last edited by Village; 12-01-2013 at 05:09 PM.
This! I think things like Furries are given a bad rap, and I'm by no way a furry, but well, whatever floats your boat. As long as it's not hurting anybody or malicious and heinous in any way, feel free to express yourself. I think Furries are an easy target because they are considered outside of the social norm, not among the status quo of what is considered "acceptable", but in all truth, everybody has some sort of sexual fantasies. We all act like we don't, but we do, even STRANGE ones that, if we tell others, they might look at us funny. We know that, so we pretend we are what the popular consensus deems "normal" and join in with laughing at those who are brave enough to stand up and proclaim their secret fantasies. It's like a constant war with ourselves, the whole bit about everybody having two sides, the side they show for the public and their TRUE side. The thing is, people can say, "Yeah, this IS my true side! I let it all out. I have no secrets and this is who I am!", but in the end of the day, only YOU truly know if that is a fact.What's wrong with "sexual deviants"?
That's my real question. The OP is like, "I'm not sayin all furries are sexual deviants..." - so what is wrong with sexual deviants? Why should "sexual deviant" be an insult of some kind?
Sexual deviant isn't synonymous with "sex offender", or "rapist", or "dangerous individual" or whatever.
I think people who find something to be of an erotic nature are only proclaiming so because they choose to view it as erotic. Art is truly in the eyes of the beholder.
I don't see anything sexual about Dust, in any of the character design. If anything, it's quite conservative and is a nod to something you'd see in, say, a Saturday morning cartoon series.
Sure, you can Google up Noogy's past work. Some may find art of risque anthropomorphic characters if that's what they're hunting for, or they can find a budding artist working on creative design and anatomy using animal characters as a muse. We grew up in a golden era where many animated films of our time had anthropomorphic animals as characters, and those in turn became inspiration for the next generation of artists and creative content designers.
Those of you on a witch hunt to find the weird sexual side of the furry fandom will find it, but I think you're missing something more important if you won't play a game because of this -- a choice you can make for yourself to view something as art instead of implied deviance presented by one of the most unreliable information sources on the planet.
I don't see anything sexual about Dust, in any of the character design. If anything, it's quite conservative and is a nod to something you'd see in, say, a Saturday morning cartoon series.
Sure, you can Google up Noogy's past work. Some may find art of risque anthropomorphic characters if that's what they're hunting for, or they can find a budding artist working on creative design and anatomy using animal characters as a muse. We grew up in a golden era where many animated films of our time had anthropomorphic animals as characters, and those in turn became inspiration for the next generation of artists and creative content designers.
Those of you on a witch hunt to find the weird sexual side of the furry fandom will find it, but I think you're missing something more important if you won't play a game because of this -- a choice you can make for yourself to view something as art instead of implied deviance presented by one of the most unreliable information sources on the planet.
The internet really ruined anthro cartoon characters. Because no one had an issue with them until AOL took off. That's when I really noticed all the furry hate. And the definition of furry has been twisted to include all anthro characters when that isn't the case. I've played Dust. That isn't furry.
Oh right. Thanks for the intel!Nope. Porn is actually a really small part of it (No more than any other fandom)
But sadly, the media always focus on that side because it's more sensationalist and entertaining.
I'm a moderator on the UK's biggest furry forum, and we've had the media contact us specifically asking for people who are into the sexual side. It's pretty bad. It's all they care about.
I think furry porn is cute. It's pretty tame compared to some of the weird stuff out there.Originally Posted by MagnaderAlpha
This! I think things like Furries are given a bad rap, and I'm by no way a furry, but well, whatever floats your boat. As long as it's not hurting anybody or malicious and heinous in any way, feel free to express yourself. I think Furries are an easy target because they are considered outside of the social norm, not among the status quo of what is considered "acceptable", but in all truth, everybody has some sort of sexual fantasies. We all act like we don't, but we do, even STRANGE ones that, if we tell others, they might look at us funny. We know that, so we pretend we are what the popular consensus deems "normal" and join in with laughing at those who are brave enough to stand up and proclaim their secret fantasies. It's like a constant war with ourselves, the whole bit about everybody having two sides, the side they show for the public and their TRUE side. The thing is, people can say, "Yeah, this IS my true side! I let it all out. I have no secrets and this is who I am!", but in the end of the day, only YOU truly know if that is a fact.
This thread makes me want to check out Blacksad.
Say what you want about weird porn but it's still safer than autoerotic asphyxiation.
I always thought Mario was a furry, always dressing up as a tanooki a penguin, a koopa, a flying squirrel, even a frog and a racoon a giant honey bee and now freaking fuzzy cat. And then there's his massive foot fetish what with jumping around all over the place in a giant boot with his nose stuffed inside of it.
The localization is top notch and they don't censor stuff, so you can go either. With that said, the books always come out in French first.Originally Posted by Glass Rebel
I'm just checking whether I can get the French versions or if I should go with the German or the English ones.
He pretty much is.I always thought Mario was a furry, always dressing up as a tanooki a penguin, a koopa, a flying squirrel, even a frog and a racoon a giant honey bee and now freaking fuzzy cat. And then there's his massive foot fetish what with jumping around all over the place in a giant boot with his nose stuffed inside of it.
It makes me more interested. The animal characters were the reason I played Dust (even if the art style of the character portraits was pretty terrible). I would have been interested in the game either way since I love metroidvanias but if it had human characters it would have gone into my massive list of games "I want to play but probably never will". The animal characters pushed it to the top and I got it the first time it was discounted on Steam. Ditto for Solatorobo, that was the main reason I wanted to play it. I wish a lot more games used them, especially action/adventure and RPGs.
Last edited by Nowhere Man; 12-03-2013 at 06:15 AM.
I like werewolves and ninja turtles, I just don't need to see them getting it on.
Are Bangaa anthropomorphic?
I'm not an expert.
Yeah, I found a comic book store nearby that's selling them. Since I kinda want to brush up my French, I thought I could start with this.Originally Posted by Boss Doggie
The localization is top notch and they don't censor stuff, so you can go either. With that said, the books always come out in French first.
Bangaas are pretty much lizardmen. So yeah.
And neat! Mind you, despite being sequels, they follow an achromatic time, so they're not necessarily happen next to each other. Only thing that remained consistent is that Weekly, Blacksad's sidekick, gets introduced in 2.
And neat! Mind you, despite being sequels, they follow an achromatic time, so they're not necessarily happen next to each other. Only thing that remained consistent is that Weekly, Blacksad's sidekick, gets introduced in 2.
Well, since you're here, may as well get comfortable:
Sonic I don't mind, Dust makes me feel a bit uncomfortable, and that Solatorobo is a bit much. It just gives me this awkward sickening kind of feeling, not cause of the porn, just because it looks human but looks off.
Like no offence to Farrow, but his avatar creeps me the fuck out. Again, not in the pornographic way, I can deal with the discomfort just fine at thread level, but some games push me into zone of discomfort.
I love animal crossing, but they don't really look 'human' at all.
Like no offence to Farrow, but his avatar creeps me the fuck out. Again, not in the pornographic way, I can deal with the discomfort just fine at thread level, but some games push me into zone of discomfort.
I love animal crossing, but they don't really look 'human' at all.
Also Japan seems to be big on putting them in RPGs back in early to mid 90's. Nowadays is just gijinka shit.
I think that furry or anthropomorphic designs are interesting. The whole hatred of them seems mean. And completely silly. Even when it comes to the fetish there's nothing wrong with it. Of all of the sexuality for people to hate and be mean towards, furry doesn't make much sense to me. And most furries aren't even into the sexualization aspect, anyway.
Character design would be limited and not as varied and diverse if all characters looked exactly like humans. And animals give people inspiration all of the time. Leonardo da Vinci came up with ideas for planes from birds. And have continued to inspire religions and sciences for thousands of years. People have created spirit animals and animals are a very important part of animism and shamanism. And people are continuing to draw inspiration from technology from animals.
I'm not truly either a fan of furry characters or not a fan. I'm a fan in so much as I like adding variety to character design. But I generally view them about the same as human characters.
I tend to like cute character designs, not humans or furries. There is plenty of furry art and characters I like. And there is plenty of furry art and characters I don't like. I like Klonoa and the cast of the Klonoa games, for instance. While many of the Sonic franchise characters and character designs, I'm not so fond of.
Final Fantasy IX used a lot of furry and other anthropomorphic characters. And I thought the game was better and more interesting for it.
Character design would be limited and not as varied and diverse if all characters looked exactly like humans. And animals give people inspiration all of the time. Leonardo da Vinci came up with ideas for planes from birds. And have continued to inspire religions and sciences for thousands of years. People have created spirit animals and animals are a very important part of animism and shamanism. And people are continuing to draw inspiration from technology from animals.
I'm not truly either a fan of furry characters or not a fan. I'm a fan in so much as I like adding variety to character design. But I generally view them about the same as human characters.
I tend to like cute character designs, not humans or furries. There is plenty of furry art and characters I like. And there is plenty of furry art and characters I don't like. I like Klonoa and the cast of the Klonoa games, for instance. While many of the Sonic franchise characters and character designs, I'm not so fond of.
Final Fantasy IX used a lot of furry and other anthropomorphic characters. And I thought the game was better and more interesting for it.
Most of them are a minority now. Remember back then in BoF where you have random furry NPCs because why the fuck not? It's a fantasy game and damn it, we're not humans only!
Are characters like Felicia or Katt, Yellow Iris (all of them Capcom characters, hmm...) or the main characters from Thundercats 2011 show considered furry? Because I see a lot of people here talking about being creeped out by the more human faces, but never mention those, mostly Sine Mora or Solatorobo, (I feel like those still don't look human-like enough, though). Those designs have generally human faces with stripes, pointy ears, and cat-like eyes, and unfortunately (IMO) it's the least common. I'm more weirded out by the human bodies with animal heads that are the norm.
EDIT: *Avatarquotes himself for having a dude with a bird head.*
For those who don't know it's actually a character from a very old comic strip, that's still being published today in Latin America, I loved reading it during my childhood, it had some very funny jokes.
EDIT: *Avatarquotes himself for having a dude with a bird head.*
For those who don't know it's actually a character from a very old comic strip, that's still being published today in Latin America, I loved reading it during my childhood, it had some very funny jokes.
Last edited by Wonko_C; 12-03-2013 at 03:01 PM.
Nope got no problem here.
I bought Dust on steam and thoroughly enjoyed it and look forward to whatever Noogy does next.
The way I see it haters on the internet see "furies" as an easy target, but as far as I'm concerned if consenting adults get off by dressing up as rabbits who's it harming?
I bought Dust on steam and thoroughly enjoyed it and look forward to whatever Noogy does next.
The way I see it haters on the internet see "furies" as an easy target, but as far as I'm concerned if consenting adults get off by dressing up as rabbits who's it harming?
No. But it influences how much I like the game.
For platforming, fighting or action games, it really doesn't bother me.
For RPGs, it's OK if there's a lore explaining the origin of those or it's a fantasy setup. But for some emotionally attaching scenes, if the main character or the target of the scene is an animal-derivative, I find it hard to connect with him/her. It kinda ruins the experience when that happens.
For platforming, fighting or action games, it really doesn't bother me.
For RPGs, it's OK if there's a lore explaining the origin of those or it's a fantasy setup. But for some emotionally attaching scenes, if the main character or the target of the scene is an animal-derivative, I find it hard to connect with him/her. It kinda ruins the experience when that happens.
It's just relative to this period of time and it's a shame too I've always appreciated Anthropomorphic character for the positive reasons cited by the OP. I do think the overwhelming long history of non perv-ish anthropomorphic characters will eventually pulverize and marginalize the juvenile "Furry" category.
I mean looking at the success of Avatar the reality is that the Na'vi are huge hairless cat people that even had their roll in the hay and I think that movie did ok at the box office. I'm in the process of developing a graphic novel and possibly a game around anthropomorphic characters and I live in fear daily of having my work associated with the "Furry" movement. The only thing that keeps me from abandoning it for the time being, besides just wanting to have done a story like this since I was 12, is that the art is more realistic and mostly not Manga influenced and I'm hoping as a result that it stands on it's own.
I mean looking at the success of Avatar the reality is that the Na'vi are huge hairless cat people that even had their roll in the hay and I think that movie did ok at the box office. I'm in the process of developing a graphic novel and possibly a game around anthropomorphic characters and I live in fear daily of having my work associated with the "Furry" movement. The only thing that keeps me from abandoning it for the time being, besides just wanting to have done a story like this since I was 12, is that the art is more realistic and mostly not Manga influenced and I'm hoping as a result that it stands on it's own.
I'll be damned if I let the "furry" stuff ruin my ability to look forward to games like this.
I wonder if the inability to connect with nonhumanoids is why Mass Effect got so human-focused.No. But it influences how much I like the game.
For platforming, fighting or action games, it really doesn't bother me.
For RPGs, it's OK if there's a lore explaining the origin of those or it's a fantasy setup. But for some emotionally attaching scenes, if the main character or the target of the scene is an animal-derivative, I find it hard to connect with him/her. It kinda ruins the experience when that happens.
tbqh I never got that "can't relate" bullshit. I character's problems is always "relatable" through good writing.
It's pretty simple, actually. Some people just can't relate to or empathize with something that doesn't look like them. This is a biological survival trait.Originally Posted by Boss Doggie
tbqh I never got that "can't relate" bullshit. I character's problems is always "relatable" through good writing.
Ah let me rephrase.
I guess the proper term is understanding and empathizing. For instance I can feel for Mrs. Brisby's struggle as well as understand her plights, even though she's a mouse and part of her struggle is that she's a mother. I feel like the need to be relatable feels like an easy way out on making the audience empathize with a character rather than relying on the writing or how the narrative makes the character go for it.
I guess the proper term is understanding and empathizing. For instance I can feel for Mrs. Brisby's struggle as well as understand her plights, even though she's a mouse and part of her struggle is that she's a mother. I feel like the need to be relatable feels like an easy way out on making the audience empathize with a character rather than relying on the writing or how the narrative makes the character go for it.
Ah yes. Like how in Mass Effect 3, the writing assumed that because the human kid got killed, the player would automatically empathize with that character over say, the Turians getting their entire planet destroyed.Originally Posted by Boss Doggie
Ah let me rephrase.
I guess the proper term is understanding and empathizing. For instance I can feel for Mrs. Brisby's struggle as well as understand her plights, even though she's a mouse and part of her struggle is that she's a mother. I feel like the need to be relatable feels like an easy way out on making the audience empathize with a character rather than relying on the writing or how the narrative makes the character go for it.
Oh yeah, ME2 and 3 added more human NPCs and replaced a bunch of aliens.
Lame.
Lame.
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