Ice Cold man… Ice bloodedOriginally Posted by ViewtifulJC
Former THQ President would know about irrelevance
The Wii U is basically irrelevant, so he's not exactly wrong
I hope he finds a job soon. He's been saying stupid things ever since the E3.
i guess you could call them irrelevant if you look at it from certain aspects. i should watch the episode to see what he means by that. people are saying the dedicated portable console business is going to die out eventually with some good evidence, so i guess on that front they are irrelevant, plus Wii U isnt selling well. their hardware is relevant though in that their consoles support games that people will pay for (not so much Wii U right now, maybe later though), this is money that people might otherwise use for other consoles. so if you look at it that way theyre relevant. many ways to look at it i guess
Home consoles, maybe. But handhelds? Hell no.
Good to know what the biggest apologist of MS's DRM policies thinks about a pure gaming platform such as the WiiU.
Well they still make many of my favorite games. And the Wii U is a lot of fun.
Irrelevant as far as the third party software business is concerned, hardly the console business as a whole.
Of course they don't but that won't stop the knee-jerk reactions. He was the co-founder and co-president of Naughty Dog and this is some of what he did.You guys know Rubin took over THQ when it was already well into its death spiral right?
Obviously not.
But yeah, let's ignore all of that. You guys can continue the witty reactions.
I'm sure he said something more than simply that.Originally Posted by BlackJace
Merits? He's essentially port begging lol.
I'm going to watch the video now. I thought this was referring to statements he made in last week's show, which we discussed to great length here. Turns out, this is a "different" show, so I'll catch up before commenting more.
They struggled with home consoles since the N64. The Wii is the exception, not the rule.Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Nintendo stumbled with the Wii U for sure but they aren't going anywhere anytime soon.
Nintendo watched the DS take off and decided the GameCube remote could probably have a console of its own so they made the Wii. Which was essentially a Cube anyway.
Any coincidence Nintendo's very public "3 pillar strategy" became 2 pretty damn quickly once the DS took off?
Attacking the dude ad hominem might make for a nice "OH SHIT" post and get you quotes for being witty, but doesn't really address the points he's making.
As a Nintendo fan, it's pretty painful to see how irrelevant they are in the console space right now.
As a Nintendo fan, it's pretty painful to see how irrelevant they are in the console space right now.
How is the 3DS turnaround not directly linked to what Nintendo has done? Price drop, securing the correct brands for the platform and finally pushing out major first party releases. Those are all thanks to Nintendo.3DS is not the best example. It's doing relatively well in spite of Nintendo, not because of them.
It should matter since those past successes are why they have a boat load of money which will lead to them continuing to developer hardware. Like I said, the Wii U was a major misstep for them, but it's not something that they can't fix the next time around.Originally Posted by Sword Of Doom
At this point it does doesn't it? It doesn't matter what they achieved in the past
He made Jak 3 and X Racing? Ugh. Opinion worth even less now.Of course they don't but that won't stop the knee-jerk reactions. He was the co-founder and co-president of Naughty Dog and this is some of what he did.
But yeah, let's ignore all of that. You guys can continue the witty reactions.
I don't want to say no, but…
Success generally rides on third-party support - but third-party want more than Nintendo is willing to give, especially in hardware. Mario, Zelda, etc are always something to look forward to, but their impact is dwindling little by little in the wake of thunderous, cinematic RPGs, FPS, driving games and so fourth. Children will remember those games - and less the Nintendo franchises we knew and loved.
Mentioned it before, but hardware power is long-term. The Wii's motion controls attracted the large crowd ultimately as a novelty, hence its burn-out midway/late into the generation.
Success generally rides on third-party support - but third-party want more than Nintendo is willing to give, especially in hardware. Mario, Zelda, etc are always something to look forward to, but their impact is dwindling little by little in the wake of thunderous, cinematic RPGs, FPS, driving games and so fourth. Children will remember those games - and less the Nintendo franchises we knew and loved.
Mentioned it before, but hardware power is long-term. The Wii's motion controls attracted the large crowd ultimately as a novelty, hence its burn-out midway/late into the generation.
Why is this even a thread.
He has said some variation of this on literally every single Gametrailers appearance he's ever made. The guy's a broken record. "When I'm at restaurants I see moms distracting their kids with f2p trashware phone games that they're never going to put any money into. Nintendo should drop everything and do that."
He has said some variation of this on literally every single Gametrailers appearance he's ever made. The guy's a broken record. "When I'm at restaurants I see moms distracting their kids with f2p trashware phone games that they're never going to put any money into. Nintendo should drop everything and do that."
People tend to forget that Nintendo makes a sizeable portion of their profits from third party royalties and licenses. Sure, cutting out the hardware aspect of their business would cut costs down on the front end, but they would also be losing one of their primary income sources as well. Following that, they would likely contract and focus on churning out the games people typically detest or criticize Nintendo for annually and cutting out even the small amount of risks they already take with their software most of the time.Originally Posted by TheUnknownForce
This is effectively an article about the Bonus Rounds he has been a part of as of late.
He wants to play Nintendo software but refuses to buy Nintendo hardware to do it. Well, good luck on that one unless you use emulators. His argument is pretty much "Nintendo should go third party because then they'll have their good games on better systems," which might sound like a good idea, until you realize that there would be many things Nintendo would not be capable of doing on other platforms that they do on their own. If you think Nintendo would go much more forward with their franchises and IPs *after* losing hardware development, you are sorely mistaken. They'd likely focus on their main IPs even more, and we don't want yearly NSMB games, do we?
I don't think Nintendo has produced good hardware in a while, but I don't think that automatically means they need to close up shop in that area at all. They need to reform themselves, because they're still very competent (at times some of the best in the industry) when it comes to software. I don't want to see them downsize software wise any more than they already have.
NPD nov and dec will tell the tale of the WiiU. It has only this holiday season to make an impact and start a buzz. Next year, XB1 and PS4 won't have supply constraints and will likely have a price drop.
They'll either start posting respectable sales figures in Nov, Dec and onwards or the console is utterly dead regardless of how many Mario or Zelda games they pump out.
They'll either start posting respectable sales figures in Nov, Dec and onwards or the console is utterly dead regardless of how many Mario or Zelda games they pump out.
From a third party standpoint they always were. Nintendo makes Nintendo hardware, not these guys.Attacking the dude ad hominem might make for a nice "OH SHIT" post and get you quotes for being witty, but doesn't really address the points he's making.
As a Nintendo fan, it's pretty painful to see how irrelevant they are in the console space right now.
I do agree with his assessment for now--the Wii U is tanking. But it comes off as port begging.
Want to play Nintendo games? Buy Nintendo systems. It's really that simple. Same with Sony and MS 1st party games.
I can't see Nintendo's output being a huge without the console revenue. Sega's output dramatically lessened when they left the console space. I wouldn't want that to happen to Nintendo.
Want to play Nintendo games? Buy Nintendo systems. It's really that simple. Same with Sony and MS 1st party games.
I can't see Nintendo's output being a huge without the console revenue. Sega's output dramatically lessened when they left the console space. I wouldn't want that to happen to Nintendo.
He would be right.
Here's hoping Nintendo specs their next machine accordingly, just look at all the problems a much lower spec console can bring ie: Barely any third party support.
Here's hoping Nintendo specs their next machine accordingly, just look at all the problems a much lower spec console can bring ie: Barely any third party support.
Hang on, this 'news' is old and from last week's Bonus Round, which we already had a thread about.
What? So, people are buying 3DS because there's nothing better on the market? And even if that's the case, the other companies are the ones to blame?3DS is not the best example. It's doing relatively well in spite of Nintendo, not because of them.
3DS is doing fine because Nintendo has always ruled the portable market, and if there's a company that can read what the public wants, this would be Nintendo. They have good marketing, they deliver great content. There's absolutely no reason to say that it's doing well "in spite of Nintendo".
jason rubin sorta went off his rocker as of ten years ago. he might be right with regards to the wii u being irrelevant as a current-gen console, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
A lot of the HW design choices are allowing the 3DS to ensure success. Nintendo's been flexible enough to drop key features(3D), give multiple SKUs to tailor to the individual, and been aggressive on price. I mean, it originally debuted at $250 for the OG model in 2011, and in just two years, we have a basic model in the 2DS selling for $99 in a flash sale at Walmart, and the upgrade XL model for $150.3DS is not the best example. It's doing relatively well in spite of Nintendo, not because of them.
I wish Nintendo was that nimble on the Wii U. It would mean there be'd more Wii U's in people homes, and ultimately more games for me to purchase.
c'mon Rubin its the year of luigi for christs sake.
Nintendo really isn't particularly relevant to third-party studios making home console games right now, since everything coming out on their home console is finding new and inventive ways to totally bomb. That's a fair statement. A title being present on Wii U or not isn't going to do much to drastically alter its fate.
That said, they've still got pretty much a lock on dedicated gaming handheld hardware, and the Wii (which lacked a lot with resepect to third parties, but was pretty damned relevant when it came to family and kid home console gaming) was recent enough I don't think it's fair to completely rule out Nintendo definitively.
I wouldn't be shocked if Nintendo went the hybrid route with their next piece of hardware, but I don't think they're terminally irrelevant in the home space if they chose to pander to the hardcore with their next system.
That said, they've still got pretty much a lock on dedicated gaming handheld hardware, and the Wii (which lacked a lot with resepect to third parties, but was pretty damned relevant when it came to family and kid home console gaming) was recent enough I don't think it's fair to completely rule out Nintendo definitively.
I wouldn't be shocked if Nintendo went the hybrid route with their next piece of hardware, but I don't think they're terminally irrelevant in the home space if they chose to pander to the hardcore with their next system.
Want to play their games? Buy their hardware. All he is doing is a form of port begging. Something that gets you banned from this very forum. It's not to be taken seriously.
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Nintendo, for all their missteps, might be the only hardware manufacturer that actually innovated in the console space. Basically they designed the modern controller for a start (d pad analogs, rumble, shoulder and face button layout, touch, motion, 3d).
As far as hardware, the first proper portable system, and up till Cube they had cutting edge tech along the way too.
Hard to believe anyone in the industry can make such boneheaded statements
As far as hardware, the first proper portable system, and up till Cube they had cutting edge tech along the way too.
Hard to believe anyone in the industry can make such boneheaded statements
they're relevant to me. I like their games and their consoles, as long as they keep producing them I'm game
also, relevance is relatively important when it comes to profit
also, relevance is relatively important when it comes to profit
I find it odd when people act like they deserve to have the games that aren't on their platform of choice, or like Nintendo is depriving gamers of software that should be available to everyone. If the pull of Nintendo software was that strong Wii U sales would be different.
I've must have heard 'Co-founder of Naughty Dog' so many times on Bonus Round its made me believe there's more than one Rubin.Originally Posted by Christhor
What are you even talking about? It's been known from the very start that Naughty Dog was founded by Andy Gavin and Jason Rubin. Just those two.
Nintendo is bad as a hardware manufacturer. Not irrelevant.
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