He was supposed to fix it and failed......or why go to a shipping sink if you aren't dumb?Originally Posted by Forsaken82
You do realize that ship was sinking well before He jumped aboard right?
Who the fuck is this guy kidding?
The dude was part of a bankruptcy. He has no room to speak about any company's way of doing things, especially a company that's the most profitable videogame hardware company in the entire world.
Nintendo games play best on Nintendo consoles, period.
Now that he's a nobody (I dare say the dude is a never-was), he wants to regain fame by hopping on bandwagons and talking shit for clicks. Maybe some kind of vindication for his failed publisher. Dude's off his rocker.
Nintendo is going nowhere, folks, get over it.
The dude was part of a bankruptcy. He has no room to speak about any company's way of doing things, especially a company that's the most profitable videogame hardware company in the entire world.
Nintendo games play best on Nintendo consoles, period.
Now that he's a nobody (I dare say the dude is a never-was), he wants to regain fame by hopping on bandwagons and talking shit for clicks. Maybe some kind of vindication for his failed publisher. Dude's off his rocker.
Nintendo is going nowhere, folks, get over it.
Last edited by Al Gore's Thermostat; 12-02-2013 at 02:10 AM.
The Wii/WiiU are shamefully weak. I would like to play Nintendo games on a powerful console, Nintendo or otherwise.
The Wii did just fine with third parties (business wise if not quality wise, but the latter is up for debate) despite having a considerably larger gap in power to its counterparts than the Wii U does to the Xbox One and PS4. That said, the power gap absolutely does not help the Wii U as it also has to struggle with an expensive, confusing gimmick and terrible branding/marketing. There are a billion reasons why the Wii U is a miserable failure but I would put power parity way down low on the list.Originally Posted by Wishmaster92
He would be right.
Here's hoping Nintendo specs their next machine accordingly, just look at all the problems a much lower spec console can bring ie: Barely any third party support.
Lol. The hardware choices Nintendo made on the 3DS is one of the main reasons why the handheld was failing at first.A lot of the HW design choices are allowing the 3DS to ensure success. Nintendo's been flexible enough to drop key features(3D), give multiple SKUs to tailor to the individual, and been aggressive on price. I mean, it originally debuted at $250 for the OG model in 2011, and in just two years, we have a basic model in the 2DS selling for $99 in a flash sale at Walmart, and the upgrade XL model for $150.
I wish Nintendo was that nimble on the Wii U. It would mean there be'd more Wii U's in people homes, and ultimately more games for me to purchase.
Fucking lol at the port begging."it is a crime that we do not play those games on the systems that we have."
Nintendo is best when they make inexpensive hardware selling at a great price. They get in trouble when they try to charge a premium on it. I think that's ultimately the lesson Nintendo takes away from the Wii U, and the failure of the 3DS at the beginning of its life cycle.Originally Posted by dungtongue
Nintendo is bad as a hardware manufacturer. Not irrelevant.
nintendo has owned the dedicated handheld sector for such a long time, but they ignored what made the last 20+ years a success with the 3ds and made something expensive with expensive software, a short battery life, and a warning to scare parents from buying it for small children on every box. i imagine their next handheld will go back to the basics. they can't afford to risk it all for some market that doesn't want their games and never has.Originally Posted by thiagosimoes
What? So, people are buying 3DS because there's nothing better on the market? And even if that's the case, the other companies are the ones to blame?
3DS is doing fine because Nintendo has always ruled the portable market, and if there's a company that can read what the public wants, this would be Nintendo. They have good marketing, they deliver great content. There's absolutely no reason to say that it's doing well "in spite of Nintendo".
You know he delayed every release that would have given the company enough short-term revenue to possibly stay solvent right?You guys know Rubin took over THQ when it was already well into its death spiral right?
As far as his comments go, is any company relevant in terms of hardware? The XB1 and PS4 are basically just PC parts mashed together, it's not like either console is doing anything interesting with the hardware except for arguably Kinect.
Crash Bandicoot and Jax & Daxter..... Yeah, he knows about irrelevance.Of course they don't but that won't stop the knee-jerk reactions. He was the co-founder and co-president of Naughty Dog and this is some of what he did.
But yeah, let's ignore all of that. You guys can continue the witty reactions.
Nintendo and Sony would be horrible.It's not going to happen but I certainly won't mind a joint force of Nintendo + either Valve/Sony.
Nintendo and Valve would be interesting, but it would never lead to actual hardware, and I doubt Nintendo much cares for PC development.
Yeah, and they were able to be flexible enough to fix that issue. Say what you will, but the XL and even the 2DS serve their niche markets. The original OG is now the red headed step child instead of your only kid that you have to love.Originally Posted by Giant Panda
Lol. The hardware choices Nintendo made on the 3DS is one of the main reasons why the handheld was failing at first.
Originally Posted by Al Gore's Thermostat
Who the fuck is this asshole kidding?
The dude was part of a bankruptcy. He has no room to speak about any company's way of doing things, especially a company that's the most profitable videogame hardware company in the entire world.
Nintendo games play best on Nintendo consoles, period.
Now that he's a nobody (I dare say the dude is a never-was), he wants to regain fame by hopping on bandwagons and talking shit for clicks. Maybe some kind of vindication for his failed publisher. Dude's off his rocker.
Nintendo is going nowhere, folks, get over it.
Disclaimer: I disagree with a lot Rubin has been saying for some time now, including this.
There was a thread a few days ago that does very well to disprove this viewpoint.Hardware sales it wasn't sure, but it had very little quality non-Nintendo software
Rubin was trying to save THQ after the previous regime killed it. He did the best he could with that sinking ship.
3rd parties are done with Nintendo home consoles, and rightly so after what happened with Zombi U (and other games).
Last edited by Guevara; 12-02-2013 at 02:13 AM.
Not really sure how that rebuts his point.From a third party standpoint they always were. Nintendo makes Nintendo hardware, not these guys.
Also, there are degrees of third-party support. The decline in third-parties' support in Nintendo has been so slow, I think many of us have forgotten how much worse it is today than it even was with the GCN.
Nintendo isn't really a technology company, they're not positioned to do that well in that area against Sony and Microsoft, who are technology companies.
And whilst I do quite like the idea of Nintendo just focusing on games and being a 3rd party for Sony & MS, there are several things that make me think it should never happen:
1) Nintendo does sometimes have ideas that they can only achieve via having their own platform. The Wii was the worst console I've ever owned, but it had massive impact and did what it was supposed to do extremely well.
2) Giving such a large amount of control over the games industry to three console manufacturers is already bad enough. Bringing that down to TWO would be even worse, especially given how similar the PS4 and Xbox One turned out, those two companies could push the industry in ways we didn't want.
And whilst I do quite like the idea of Nintendo just focusing on games and being a 3rd party for Sony & MS, there are several things that make me think it should never happen:
1) Nintendo does sometimes have ideas that they can only achieve via having their own platform. The Wii was the worst console I've ever owned, but it had massive impact and did what it was supposed to do extremely well.
2) Giving such a large amount of control over the games industry to three console manufacturers is already bad enough. Bringing that down to TWO would be even worse, especially given how similar the PS4 and Xbox One turned out, those two companies could push the industry in ways we didn't want.
Honestly, Nintendo should just their own Steam machine. =P Get a cut of the revenue share of games sold though SteamOS on their boxes, and still make great Nintendo games on their console. I'm not sure Valve will go for that though, they want as much of license fees as possible.It's not going to happen but I certainly won't mind a joint force of Nintendo + either Valve/Sony.
Much more needs to be done to reverse Wii U's fortunes at this point. That said, it doesn't change the fact that he's just another person arguing that people who want to play Nintendo games shouldn't have to own Nintendo systems to do it.
Well creating hardware that repels third-parties from ever making games on your systems also loses Nintendo one of their "primary sources of income" as well.Originally Posted by ExigentContact
People tend to forget that Nintendo makes a sizeable portion of their profits from third party royalties and licenses. Sure, cutting out the hardware aspect of their business would cut costs down on the front end, but they would also be losing one of their primary income sources as well. Following that, they would likely contract and focus on churning out the games people typically detest or criticize Nintendo for annually and cutting out even the small amount of risks they already take with their software most of the time.
I don't think Nintendo has produced good hardware in a while, but I don't think that automatically means they need to close up shop in that area at all. They need to reform themselves, because they're still very competent (at times some of the best in the industry) when it comes to software. I don't want to see them downsize software wise any more than they already have.
Hi ReggieOriginally Posted by Al Gore's Thermostat
Who the fuck is this guy kidding?
The dude was part of a bankruptcy. He has no room to speak about any company's way of doing things, especially a company that's the most profitable videogame hardware company in the entire world.
Nintendo games play best on Nintendo consoles, period.
Now that he's a nobody (I dare say the dude is a never-was), he wants to regain fame by hopping on bandwagons and talking shit for clicks. Maybe some kind of vindication for his failed publisher. Dude's off his rocker.
Nintendo is going nowhere, folks, get over it.
That best selling console was the only hit among their last four consoles. Third parties are now ignoring them, and their market share is nowhere near close to what it used to beOriginally Posted by SolidSnakex
Based on one platform? They created the best selling console of the last generation while they misread the current generation. That doesn't make them irrelevant.
I have to agree that their consoles are irrelevant. Most gamers don't care about Nintendo consoles.
What value is found in the hardware offerings of Sony and MS?However, that isn't to say that he doesn't believe there is a lot of value at Nintendo, it's just found in the software.
There's nothing interesting going on at the hardware level of any of these systems.
I personally think that Nintendo's success with consoles with eventually falter. The Wii-U just isn't compelling enough for the future of games, even if they get some stellar exclusives. It was on the long journey to becoming irrelevant when the next generation consoles were announced and it's specification was decided upon at the price point, but over the next two years given it's barren upcoming release schedule, it'll fade away into non-production.
Nintendo's success in the handheld market is still going well, but when tablets and smart phones take over the space entirely then they'll be wise just to get their IP to as many places as possible.
Nintendo's success in the handheld market is still going well, but when tablets and smart phones take over the space entirely then they'll be wise just to get their IP to as many places as possible.
I think he has a point .... if everybody just care about the software nintendo does, why insisting in remaining in the console hardware business where they are clearly struggling ? and not only in terms of sales, but also in creating a modern infrastructure around it (multiplayer etc)
leaving aside the portable console business, which is a different story, wouldn't nintendo make more money by being a software company, rather than a hardware one?
Obviously there would be pros and cons, but it is not something completely insane.
leaving aside the portable console business, which is a different story, wouldn't nintendo make more money by being a software company, rather than a hardware one?
Obviously there would be pros and cons, but it is not something completely insane.
No that was price and lack of software (hence why it did well during it's first Christmas), also proper backwards compatibility meant it wasn't directly competing with it's predecessor unlike the Vita (I still don't understand why Sony chose to do that).Originally Posted by Giant Panda
Lol. The hardware choices Nintendo made on the 3DS is one of the main reasons why the handheld was failing at first.
Nintendo might still have another chance if they can get another console out the door by 2015.
Its the Wii U that is irrelevant.
Its the Wii U that is irrelevant.
New™ Gameboy™©nintendo has owned the dedicated handheld sector for such a long time, but they ignored what made the last 20+ years a success with the 3ds and made something expensive with expensive software, a short battery life, and a warning to scare parents from buying it for small children on every box. i imagine their next handheld will go back to the basics. they can't afford to risk it all for some market that doesn't want their games and never has.
He may have a point aboout the WiiU, but yeah. That blatant port begging. :lolOriginally Posted by Kageshinzo
Fucking lol at the port begging.
He is right. People don't buy Nintendo hardware for the hardware. They buy the hardware for the software.
He's right. Nintendo are basically done in the console space. No amount of Mario is going to make the Wii U suddenly relevant.
Better they just admit they're beat and stick to handhelds for as long as dedicated handheld gaming devices continue to make money for them... however long that may be.
Better they just admit they're beat and stick to handhelds for as long as dedicated handheld gaming devices continue to make money for them... however long that may be.
Except that they were the clear winner last generation?
I recently went to my friends house to check out his wii. I was generally impressed. It was larger than I expected though.
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He's the Naughty Dog co-founder who was given a life preserver and thrown into the maelstrom that was THQ's death throws.
OMG LOL THQ telling Nintendo anything is high-larious.
OMG LOL THQ telling Nintendo anything is high-larious.
PS4/Xbone price drop will be irrelevant, they'll still be out of most people's reach. Games and marketing will be what move them.Originally Posted by RukusProvider
NPD nov and dec will tell the tale of the WiiU. It has only this holiday season to make an impact and start a buzz. Next year, XB1 and PS4 won't have supply constraints and will likely have a price drop.
They'll either start posting respectable sales figures in Nov, Dec and onwards or the console is utterly dead regardless of how many Mario or Zelda games they pump out.
On the other hand, if Nintendo can get the Wii U down $199 somehow, they'll have hit mass market pricing and could do quite well for themselves with Smash, Mario Kart & Donkey Kong on the shelves. A price drop is much more meaningful on their end because of how close they are to mass market pricing.
Sure there is from an economical standpoint. He's representing the demand/supply curve perfectly. He and many others might be willing to shell out $50-60 for a Nintendo game, because they're great, but they're not ready to pay the $300 entry fee for the hardware.He is port begging, theres no merit in port begging.
I think that's a pretty sensible and widespread viewpoint. Just because port-begging is a banned topic on GAF (due to derailing thread conversation) doesn't mean it it's invalid as a bit of business analysis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTi5EaocGaY
Being a hardware maker earns Nintendo money, not great games. Although it could be said that Nintendo is forced to keep folding some of that money into their games if they want the money to keep on flowing.
Originally Posted by timetokill
"What Nintendo does best" is making software for their hardware. These "treasured" games that he talks about would not exist without Nintendo hardware. And considering that Nintendo is consistently innovating on the hardware level, the true crime would be losing their influence on it.
It's very simple, Rubin. Want to play Nintendo software? Buy Nintendo hardware. Just as it's always been.
Being a hardware maker earns Nintendo money, not great games. Although it could be said that Nintendo is forced to keep folding some of that money into their games if they want the money to keep on flowing.
True, but it's better to have that stream of cash around just in case rather than just kill it dead in a drastic attempt to chase quick money. Nintendo has the reserves to ride out this generation with just a bloody nose, especially with the 3DS doing relatively well against new, indirect, competition, but they do need to undergo a full rebirth in their approach to hardware if they want to keep that money coming in.Well creating hardware that repels third-parties from ever making games on your systems also loses Nintendo one of their "primary sources of income" as well.
Again, like I said. I'd rather them change their strategies with hardware than go down a road that has proven very treacherous for other companies in the past.
So hes port begging? Ok, i would love to play Sony games on the systems i own....how dare they release tearway on vita?it should be on the system i own the 3ds..
Saying Nintendo is irrelevant as a hardware manufacturer with the way WiiU is doing after the Wii is like saying Sony was irrelevant with the PS3 in the first year after the PS2. Yes I am aware that the WiiU is doing worse then the PS3 was at this point but both saw dramatic (and similar) downward swings in marketshare on the home console front. WiiU will probably not see nearly the resurgence that the PS3 did but the 3DS could hit upwards of 75 million sold worldwide when it is all said and done. Like it or not, Nintendo still has a large presence in the hardware market, which will be shown this upcoming NPD when the 3DS/2DS outsells the launch of next-generation home consoles.
On another note, a console market without Nintendo would be boring as hell. The Xbox One and PS4 might as well be the same damn consoles with different wrapping paper. There is a place for Nintendo consoles in the video game world and hopefully there will continue to be one. That goes the same for both Microsoft and Sony. The more competition the merrier.
On another note, a console market without Nintendo would be boring as hell. The Xbox One and PS4 might as well be the same damn consoles with different wrapping paper. There is a place for Nintendo consoles in the video game world and hopefully there will continue to be one. That goes the same for both Microsoft and Sony. The more competition the merrier.
Nintendo currently is irrelevent in the console hardware space. Wii U is never going to sell well.
If Iwata is still CEO of Nintendo come next gen, it might be more than just the console space that Nintendo is irrelevent in.
If Iwata is still CEO of Nintendo come next gen, it might be more than just the console space that Nintendo is irrelevent in.
Even if it's the exception, it still proves him wrong. Even if it is the exception, it still happened. Those 100 million people don't disappear because of it. Hardly irrelevant. Especially since that consoles cycle has ended merely a year ago. It's not something that happened 25 years ago.They struggled with home consoles since the N64. The Wii is the exception, not the rule.
Nintendo watched the DS take off and decided the GameCube remote could probably have a console of its own so they made the Wii. Which was essentially a Cube anyway.
Any coincidence Nintendo's very public "3 pillar strategy" became 2 pretty damn quickly once the DS took off?
Well i hope not. I love Nintendo and their exclusive games, i just hope they were a little bit more competitive spec-wise compared to the other consoles.Originally Posted by Al Gore's Thermostat
Who the fuck is this guy kidding?
The dude was part of a bankruptcy. He has no room to speak about any company's way of doing things, especially a company that's the most profitable videogame hardware company in the entire world.
Nintendo games play best on Nintendo consoles, period.
Now that he's a nobody (I dare say the dude is a never-was), he wants to regain fame by hopping on bandwagons and talking shit for clicks. Maybe some kind of vindication for his failed publisher. Dude's off his rocker.
Nintendo is going nowhere, folks, get over it.
I think people are pointing out Rubin's role at THQ because it helps show the flaws of just being an AAA 3rd party publisher. They got boxed in from the other large AAA publishers such as EA, Activision, Take Two, etc. and got caught in the rat race that is AAA publishing.Not really sure how that rebuts his point.
Also, there are degrees of third-party support. The decline in third-parties' support in Nintendo has been so slow, I think many of us have forgotten how much worse it is today than it even was with the GCN.
Ironically, it was their push to make the dumb as uDraw tablet because they felt THQ needed to diversify because they weren't making enough on simply software that helped drive their bankruptcy.
Rubin is asking Nintendo to shrink as a company, and Nintendo or any other company won't intentionally do that.
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