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Originally Posted by Morfeo

Lol, so true :)

Let's ignore past trends, Wii was a success, again, do not look at past trends and how Wii U plots on that graph. Do not look behind the curtain.

So what can Nintendo do then to achieve a decent rate of sales?

Well here is a list i narrowed down.

- Price Drop to 250 or 200
- Make deals with 3rd parties to get exclusive titles like Bayonetta 2
- Name change
- Advertising the crap out of it.
- Keep a steady line up of games coming

yet i don't even know if this can increase the sales or not. It can sure be a start that's for sure.

Originally Posted by Goodlife

3rd parties hate to compete with Nintendo 1st parties.

That has more to do with the mentality of Nintendo customers than quality of software.

Let's pretend CD Projekt was going to release Witcher 3 on Wii U. If they did it themselves they would fail badly. In order to find success with Nintendo's fanbase they would have to...

1. Let Nintendo publish the game. If Nintendo does the publishing Nintendo fans are more likely to buy it.
2. Include unlockable Nintendo themed outfits or just make Link a playable character. The latter especially would guarantee success because heaven forbid Nintendo fans play as a non Nintendo character.

Kamiya should have stuck with his original idea of Nintendo characters instead of generic super heroes. Had he done so Nintendo fans would've ate Wonderful 101 up. Huge mistake. Nintendo fans have to be Mario or Link, they don't want Wonder Red or some other no name.

Originally Posted by ShinUltramanJ

That has more to do with the mentality of Nintendo customers than quality of software.

Let's pretend CD Projekt was going to release Witcher 3 on Wii U. If they did it themselves they would fail badly. In order to find success with Nintendo's fanbase they would have to...

1. Let Nintendo publish the game. If Nintendo does the publishing Nintendo fans are more likely to buy it.
2. Include unlockable Nintendo themed outfits or just make Link a playable character. The latter especially would guarantee success because heaven forbid Nintendo fans play as a non Nintendo character.

Kamiya should have stuck with his original idea of Nintendo characters instead of generic super heroes. Had he done so Nintendo fans would've ate Wonderful 101 up. Huge mistake. Nintendo fans have to be Mario or Link, they don't want Wonder Red or some other no name.

Now this is some serious stereotyping.

As someone who watches all of this discussion going towards "duuuurrr dem Nintendo fellas sure are closeminded drones" I'm getting more annoyed by this mindset. It's like everything is Nintendo's fault or their "fanbase". How about the fact third parties treat Nintendo consoles as the redheaded stepchild and consumers actually being knowledgable about this fact? I know that on messageboards we love to stereotype certain groups, but seeing all these low third party sales it tells me that consumers buying third party titles for Nintendo consoles are done with their efforts. I can't blame them. There is always something wrong with them.

There is only one constant; Nintendo

Originally Posted by Fatalmephisto

So what can Nintendo do then to achieve a decent rate of sales?

Well here is a list i narrowed down.

- Price Drop to 250 or 200
- Make deals with 3rd parties to get exclusive titles like Bayonetta 2
- Name change
- Advertising the crap out of it.
- Keep a steady line up of games coming

yet i don't even know if this can increase the sales or not. It can sure be a start that's for sure.

Do you think some weird Japanese IP like Bayonetta will save the WiiU or a future Nintendo homecoming sole? Stop thinking like Iwata with his completely Japan centric point of view.

Nintendo needs an improved relationship with western developers. Getting portsnof all multiplattform titles should be standard + marketing deals.

Originally Posted by PdotMichael

Nintendo needs an improved relationship with western developers. Getting portsnof all multiplattform titles should be standard + marketing deals.

This is an uphill battle as long as Nintendo is pursuing its blue ocean or third way strategy. Ymmv already said as much on the previous page, but the large third party publishers compete on graphics and size of the game. They lose their competitive edge on Nintendo's underpowered console. Instead they will have to rely on the power of their IP, but those only hold sway over people that are bound to have one of the other two consoles in the first place, which means they won't buy the weaker version. Publishing on the Wii U means no competitive edge while trying to sell to the wrong demographic. No amount of moneyhatting is going to work.

If Nintendo keeps sticking to underpowered consoles, they need to carve out their own niche in those genres, so that the right demographic buys their console as the first console. Only then will third parties return.

Originally Posted by Sadist

Now this is some serious stereotyping.

As someone who watches all of this discussion going towards "duuuurrr dem Nintendo fellas sure are closeminded drones" I'm getting more annoyed by this mindset. It's like everything is Nintendo's fault or their "fanbase". How about the fact third parties treat Nintendo consoles as the redheaded stepchild and consumers actually being knowledgable about this fact? I know that on messageboards we love to stereotype certain groups, but seeing all these low third party sales it tells me that consumers buying third party titles for Nintendo consoles are done with their efforts. I can't blame them. There is always something wrong with them.

There is only one constant; Nintendo

Stereotyping? Not from what I've seen over the years.

This is the fanbase that would refuse to buy a Soul Calibur 2 HD port on Wii U unless Link was playable. No Link no buy, because one Zelda character is more important than anything the game has to offer.

Third parties understand this. It's why Tekken Tag 2 released with Nintendo character costumes and a special mode with mushroom powerups.
It's why Dynasty Warriors included Zelda outfits. EA included Super Punchout in a version of Fight Night. Metal Gear Solid remake had a Mario and Yoshi Easter egg. Need for Speed Rivals had warp pipes. I believe even Rayman had a mario outfit.

Nintendo fans are more likely to show interest if you include familiar Nintendo themed stuff in your game.

Originally Posted by PdotMichael

Do you think some weird Japanese IP like Bayonetta will save the WiiU or a future Nintendo homecoming sole? Stop thinking like Iwata with his completely Japan centric point of view.

Nintendo needs an improved relationship with western developers. Getting portsnof all multiplattform titles should be standard + marketing deals.

I never said Bayonetta would save the Wii U. What i meant was, is Nintendo needs to make deals like they did with Platinum games. Perhaps on my part i should of worded that better. My bad but still it's not hard to see what I'm getting at.

Ports of games no one will buy. Okay sure why not.

Originally Posted by Sadist

Now this is some serious stereotyping.

As someone who watches all of this discussion going towards "duuuurrr dem Nintendo fellas sure are closeminded drones" I'm getting more annoyed by this mindset. It's like everything is Nintendo's fault or their "fanbase".

well it's their console of course it's nintendos fault

and if third party publishers really are like high school cliques and hold grudges instead of you know, a business, then ask yourself WHY they would hold that grudge

hint: it's nintendos fault

Originally Posted by Fatalmephisto

I never said Bayonetta would save the Wii U. What i meant was, is Nintendo needs to make deals like they did with Platinum games. Perhaps on my part i should of worded that better. My bad but still it's not hard to see what I'm getting at.

Ports of games no one will buy. Okay sure why not.

Well, at the moment the WiiU is the thing that no one is buying.

But i don't even get your logic. I think there isn't a single exclusive game on the WiiU that sold well and even the most Wii third party games weren't very successful.

Originally Posted by PdotMichael

Well, at the moment the WiiU is the thing that no one is buying.

But i don't even get your logic. I think there isn't a single exclusive game on the WiiU that sold well and even the most Wii third party games weren't very successful.

If Nintendo can get there hands on some good core IP's from the 3rd party devs to get released for the Wii U. That might be a somewhat saving grace to the Wii U and don't get me wrong i highly doubt it but its worth a shot. I mean what else can do they? to keep the system from completely failing.

Perhaps keeping some core games they make deals with might very well spark some interest in the core audience to get to buy the system. Price drop first i think needs to happen.

Originally Posted by Log4Girlz

Let's ignore past trends, Wii was a success, again, do not look at past trends and how Wii U plots on that graph. Do not look behind the curtain.

You're missing contextual information here and you have way too less data points to conclude anything. Anyway, the Nes was actually a Wii like situation back in those years. So the Wii wasn't such an anomaly at all. I'd say it's actually something that Nintendo is good in creating.

@PdotMichael

I know what i said in my last post doesn't make much sense but i guess i have so much faith in core gamer's these days to see something that might spark there interest. Yet look at the outcry Bayonetta 2 had when they first reveled that game. Twitter exploded. So now are those people going to buy the Wii U to play it? I would hope so but most of them will just ignore it. So in the end Nintendo is screwed no way you look at it. Do a price drop and hope for the best i guess. I don't even know anymore to be fairly honest with ya.

Originally Posted by ShinUltramanJ

Stereotyping? Not from what I've seen over the years.

This is the fanbase that would refuse to buy a Soul Calibur 2 HD port on Wii U unless Link was playable. No Link no buy, because one Zelda character is more important than anything the game has to offer.

Third parties understand this. It's why Tekken Tag 2 released with Nintendo character costumes and a special mode with mushroom powerups.
It's why Dynasty Warriors included Zelda outfits. EA included Super Punchout in a version of Fight Night. Metal Gear Solid remake had a Mario and Yoshi Easter egg. Need for Speed Rivals had warp pipes. I believe even Rayman had a mario outfit.

Nintendo fans are more likely to show interest if you include familiar Nintendo themed stuff in your game.

You mean those outspoken few on messageboards? That entire fanbase.

And SC II is the only one that was considered a sales succes. Terrible argument.

Originally Posted by Enosh

well it's their console of course it's nintendos fault

and if third party publishers really are like high school cliques and hold grudges instead of you know, a business, then ask yourself WHY they would hold that grudge

hint: it's nintendos fault

Who is talking about grudges? I'm talking about getting getting quality software as someone who owns a Wii U. Nintendo is to be partially blamed, but who is responsible for technical hiccups? Missing DLC? Missing online components? Missing multiplayer functions? The developer/publisher offering the game. And third parties tell me " well you shouldn't buy this." I'll happily agree then.