No one's denying that. I've been a vocal critic in other threads regarding their handling of the Wii-to-Wii U handshake, as well as their current strategies relating to 3DS/Wii U software.Originally Posted by suppadoopa
At least the PS3 still got support after 2011 whereas Nintendo threw the Wii down the gutter.
Does he whine when he can't play Halo on his PS3?
You're not wrong at all. 3D World is one of the few times in the last year that a Wii U game hasn't been met with a *sigh...I guess we need to talk about this one too before we can get back to Bioshock and Grand Theft Auto again" from the enthusiast press.To be completely honest, I think they've already lost of a fuckton of media exposure. The enthusiast press made a pretty conscious decision the last 4-5 years to start placing Nintendo in the corner, while the big boys took center stage in coverage.
Also, I didn't meant to imply that Nintendo should go third-party; I don't think that's a solution per se, but to just dismiss this guy's opinion as "port-begging" is a little disingenuous.
But at the same time, Gametrailers, who consider the Wii U last gen and knock it constantly, still have Wii U and 3DS tabs at the top of their site. They still have dedicated E3 Nintendo segments. They still have round tables and Pachter segments discussing them every week. They don't do that for Sega or Konami or whoever. That all goes away the moment Nintendo go third party.
In terms of the WiiU? Yeah they are irrelevant since the only one putting games out on the thing now is Nintendo. Will be interesting to see how they target their next home console or if they try to shift to something like the Vita TV with a home SKU of the handheld successor to the 3DS/2DS.
The massively successful, game industry changing Wii was only possible because Nintendo was making both the hardware and the software.
I'm not so sure what the other manufacturers bring to the table that is more valid than what the Wii did or even features like Miiverse.
Power? PC will always be king there, so then it comes to the other features. Wii worked, WiiU didn't.
The contributions that nintendo has made to the video game industry from a hardware standpoint are quite a lot. Thumbsticks, shoulder buttons, rumble, wireless controllers, touch screens, motion control, etc. (and no I am not saying nintendo invented any of these). Who know's what they will contribute next....
It's not a stretch to say WiiU is completely irrelevant. It'd be a stretch to say it has any relevance to the market this generation. But to ascribe their failing consoles (that more often then not fail because of and in spite of Nintendo) is a little asinine.
It might not be the next generation or even the one after, but sooner or later Nintendo will find relevance in the home console space again... to piss it away with console generation ending droughts that leave buyers hesitant to buy their next endeavor.
This is completely absurd, gamers have access to Mario, buy the damn console.Originally Posted by Buckethead
What I found more interesting is that both him and Shaemus mourn that Nintendo hasn't asserted themselves on the global stage. Shaemus echoes Jason's comments and says that "they're (Nintendo) every bit a Disney" which I whole-heartedly agree. Yeah you can say that Jason is port-begging sure but he's representing the voice of the gamer (which is bizarre because he usually represents business/corporate interests) by saying it's criminal that gamers don't have access to great IPs like Mario.
It is port begging, let's not try to fool ourselves here.
How come we don't or didn't get threads like this for Sony or Microsoft going third party for the past 10 years?
I have to imagine it's because people have to take out their frustration at not being able to play some of the best games in the industry. So you have to cry and dream of one day being able to play Nintendo games. Good luck with that.
They still have billions in cash, I wouldn't count them out yet.Originally Posted by Buckethead
Nintendo is irrelevant in a handful of senses, first their console lacks the feature-set of other consoles, second most of it's offerings aren't innovative they're chasing other's innovations, and lastly, they've been losing money for years now which makes them irrelevant from a business perspective.
It won't be two separate SKUs, it'll be a handheld that can also play games on your television.Originally Posted by reptilescorpio
The amount of people in this thread who only know Rubin from THQ is hilarious.
In terms of the WiiU? Yeah they are irrelevant since the only one putting games out on the thing now is Nintendo. Will be interesting to see how they target their next home console or if they try to shift to something like the Vita TV with a home SKU of the handheld successor to the 3DS/2DS.
How is some of it not their fault? They've brought this entire ordeal with the Wii U totally upon themselves and the dominoes fell one by one as a result of it.Originally Posted by ShinMaruku
To those pointing to his Naughty Dog thing, that was almost 10 years ago, people generally look for what have you done for me lately. And this is port begging. He has no idea how much money they make right now. Yes the WiiU was a fuck up but some of it is not quite their fault (This time around)
But, I do have access to their games. I bought their system. Just like I have to buy Sony's hardware to play their games and Microsoft's to play theirs.Originally Posted by Buckethead
Yeah you can say that Jason is port-begging sure but he's representing the voice of the gamer (which is bizarre because he usually represents business/corporate interests) by saying it's criminal that gamers don't have access to great IPs like Mario.
It is petty port begging. Pure and simple. If you want to play their games, you have to buy their system. If you don't, you don't. Now, the price of entry may differ from person to person, but this is the law of the land.
Why doesn't he bitch about Killer instinct not being on PS? Or Uncharted not being on Xbox?
It's garbage.
Really hope next time Nintendo either goes things more traditionally and just does a supped up Wii, or alternatively does the same amount of research they did into motion controls for their next 'gimmick', since the tablet while fun in niche ways feels totally slapped together in comparison to the Wii remotes.
And how would Nintendo operate under pressure? What would Zelda be like if Nintendo couldn't control console timing to accommodate the game development... Rubin even said so himself regarding Naughty Dog; being with Sony is their golden ticket. They need to have the two businesses matching up, it's both or nothing.
Nintendo and Sony both cry in each other's arm, realize the world they could've created had they both humbled themselves and worked on an agreement for the original Playstation.
Make it happen Sony, our economical woes are proof that we need to stick together more, maybe it can work for business too.
Come on, gotta admit Sony+Nintendo would make one heck of a combo.
Anyways, before I'd defend Nintendo more out of fondness than anything else, but thinking about how the XB1 is thus far... there's worse consoles that have come out, but many of the decisions right from announcement have been exasperating, and no matter how many get fixed there's still the looming scepter of Microsoft's shareholders wanting to bring the axe down on the whole thing. In an extreme situation with them Nintendo would do well to stick around just to ensure Sony had some more direct competition relative to the alternatives out there like PC and mobile.
This is what I don't understand... If it is just one game people want, then they can probably live without it. If they they a whole library of Nintendo classics, then they can probably justify buying the damn system.They are so irrelevant Sony and MS outright jump at copying whatever they do control wise
This is completely absurd, gamers have access to Mario, buy the damn console.
It is port begging, let's not try to fool ourselves here.
I don't have a WiiU or 3DS, and while I would love to play some games I am currently missing out there, I don't see how it would make any sense for nintendo to port them to a system I own. When I want to play them enough, I'll buy the systems.
Wanting Nintendo to go third party is one of the strangest forms of cognitive dissonance fanboyism I have ever seen.
This is a good point.Originally Posted by LiveFromKyoto
You're not wrong at all. 3D World is one of the few times in the last year that a Wii U game hasn't been met with a *sigh...I guess we need to talk about this one too before we can get back to Bioshock and Grand Theft Auto again" from the enthusiast press.
But at the same time, Gametrailers, who consider the Wii U last gen and knock it constantly, still have Wii U and 3DS tabs at the top of their site. They still have dedicated E3 Nintendo segments. They still have round tables and Pachter segments discussing them every week. They don't do that for Sega or Konami or whoever. That all goes away the moment Nintendo go third party.
But that being said, I think having tabs like those remain almost devoid of coverage during most of the year (or worse, full of the occasional "what the fuck is Nintendo doing?" pieces) does Nintendo little good either.
Imagine Zelda on PS Vita, or Mario 3D on PS4?
Maybe he's angry that Nintendos mascot is making money while the mascot he made has been thrown in the trash by Activision?Of course they don't but that won't stop the knee-jerk reactions. He was the co-founder and co-president of Naughty Dog and this is some of what he did.
But yeah, let's ignore all of that. You guys can continue the witty reactions.
It is 100% their fault.Originally Posted by ShinMaruku
They got a half hearted third party support this round. Which is why I said this time.
Why did they get bad third party support?
They made a console that developers did not want to develop for and they have not instilled any confidence in either consumers or publishers about the longevity of their strategy.
Underpowered
Lacking online features
Branding issues
etc, etc etc
all make not only consumers, but also publishers uneasy about the appeal and viability of the wii.
Nintendo brought it upon themselves.
By that logic, Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo should just drop consoles and release everything on PC, since all the consoles are inferior to PC hardware wise.He is 100% right. The Nintendo hardware is absolute garbage. They make good games. I don't know why Nintendo fans wouldn't want Nintendo to release games on better made hardware?
Imagine Zelda on PS Vita, or Mario 3D on PS4?
When are motherfuckers going to realize that we know what we are getting into when we buy a nintendo console? We buy them for first party games, therefore they aren't irrelevant.
Because...He is 100% right. The Nintendo hardware is absolute garbage. They make good games. I don't know why Nintendo fans wouldn't want Nintendo to release games on better made hardware?
Imagine Zelda on PS Vita, or Mario 3D on PS4?
What drives Nintendo's first party to maintain a varied portfolio of quality software is their need to sell hardware, which then leads to substantial profits on royalties from the sales of third party games and huge profits from the sale of their own in-house IPs. Remove the pressure of having to attract consumers to their platform, and Nintendo's standards would dwindle drastically. You can also say goodbye to any franchise that isn't a multi-million seller and get ready for nothing but yearly iterations of 2D Mario, Pokemon and Mario Kart, with maybe one or two Zelda games per generation, Skyrimmed-up for maximum appeal to the 4K twins' mainstream gamer audience.
Why some people still think that a third party Nintendo would be a good thing after seeing what happened to Sega is beyond me.
well to be fair, I think he's saying not enough people buy Nintendo's home consoles anymore (or something along those lines) to justify the hardware. Much more people would experience these amazing games if they were on other platforms. (He loves tablets btw, think they'll catch consoles because of yearly refresh rates)But, I do have access to their games. I bought their system. Just like I have to buy Sony's hardware to play their games and Microsoft's to play theirs.
It is petty port begging. Pure and simple. If you want to play their games, you have to buy their system. If you don't, you don't. Now, the price of entry may differ from person to person, but this is the law of the land.
Why doesn't he bitch about Killer instinct not being on PS? Or Uncharted not being on Xbox?
It's garbage.
I would say hogwash to that though. Nintendo had N64, GC, Wii, WiiU, and varied success throughout all of them. Sony with PS, PS2, PS3, PS4, also very varied, all successful, but not all made Sony money. And if that logic is applied, should Sony discontinue vita and all it's exclusives since only a few million people worldwide own it?
Meh, I think both SOny and Nintendo should just launch a Nintendo and Sony branded tablet and ship it with a controller...at least, that's what I think sony is doing with Gaikai anyway. No need for any of them to stop making hardware IMO, Ninty does well financially, Sony slowly trying to turn it around, and MS a juggernaut that can afford to keep trying until the hit gold.
I have Nintendo hardware that is 10, 15, 20 years old. And it all works. Whereas I had PS1s and PS2s that stopped working during their generations.He is 100% right. The Nintendo hardware is absolute garbage.
Unless you mean absolute garbage in the sense that it is under-powered, in which case I would say you're a graphics whore who doesn't understand that graphics =/= fun.
Imagine Crash on PS Vita, or Jak & Daxter on PS4? Oh wait, those series are irrelevant.Imagine Zelda on PS Vita, or Mario 3D on PS4?
Not at all the same logic. The console vs PC experience is well documented and each has it's pros and cons. What would be the con of Nintendo releasing it's game on PS4 over Wii U?By that logic, Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo should just drop consoles and release everything on PC, since all the consoles are inferior to PC hardware wise.
Hahahaha haha hahaWhat drives Nintendo's first party to maintain a varied portfolio of quality software
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