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Originally Posted by ZeroX03

But guys, the netcode in Killer Instinct is so good.

Originally Posted by T.O.P

... this thing work flawlessly, it's like playing offline, no hyperbole here

Hehe, he already had the answer if true

Lmao, wtf

I'm wondering how common this is. Hate mail isn't rare for fighting games; if this happens a lot, there are probably some weird conversations where both parties got different results.

Is there a way to test this using a bad Internet connection?

I've been playing with friends and it works well enough. I don't think this is the norm at all.

This stuff is insane. It basically kills the point of playing in multiplayer.

Originally Posted by thrillho

I've been playing with friends and it works well enough. I don't think this is the norm at all.

But... How do you know?
:p

Originally Posted by Sinfamy

WHAT? You get placed against the A.I. sometimes? How are people not lighting their torches right now?

I'm sure all of the competitive and professional fighting game players will have a huge problem with this, but a lot of people who invested into the console and game probably won't want to hear about it and will either say it's not much of a big deal, or deny it happens often enough to be a problem. The point is, the fact that it even happens at all is a problem in and of itself.

With the easy availability of video recording built into the console, I want to see people do some testing on this. It should be very quick and easy to see if this is an occasional fluke, or something bigger.

Originally Posted by hawk2025

But... How do you know?
:p

I thought this would be signified by a player quitting during a match, when in reality they simply desync'd and won their version of the match first.

I'd agree it looks more like a desync than actual AI taking over, but at the very least this is uuuuuh....interesting if it's a common occurrence at least.

Originally Posted by Unison

Have other games done this or is this a new low?

Pretty sure Brawl replaced disconnected users with AI, but this seems like its keeping track of inputs despite the game desyncing.

Also what happened to the top screen at the end? Is that how the match really ended on his end?

New thread title guys, lol...

"Killer De-Sync"

Hmm, this is very odd. I can only speak for myself, but I can 100% with confidence say that about 95% of my online matches I played so far, I can either hear someone breathing, or talking to someone, or noise in the background, or talking to me the entire time while fighting.

Whether this weird sync thing has happened to me the other 5% where I cannot hear anything is anyones guess. Based on my experience, im not bothered by this whatsoever, I know the vast majority of the time I am playing the match is legit.

Holy shit.

Originally Posted by hawk2025

But... How do you know?
:p

Haha

We talk to each other and we're experimenting with set ups that wouldn't make a lot of sense if this were how it actually worked. Jumping from the netcode is good to it's the worst thing ever over what seems to be like an exceptionally poor connection between two players is harsh!

Originally Posted by EtherMagic

Hmm, this is very odd. I can only speak for myself, but I can 100% with confidence say that about 95% of my online matches I played so far, I can either hear someone breathing, or talking to someone, or noise in the background, or talking to me the entire time while fighting.

Whether this weird sync thing has happened to me the other 5% where I cannot hear anything is anyones guess. Based on my experience, im not bothered by this whatsoever, I know the vast majority of the time I am playing the match is legit.

As you can see, the match does resync throughout the video though, so it's still possible you heard those sounds while a resync issue occurred. Not saying that is what happened, but just saying it's definitely possible.

C-C-C-Connection Breaker!!!!!

This is fascinating.

This is.. really weird. It'll be interesting to see how common this actually is.

I'm not sure why we're assuming that it pits you against the A.I. instead of dropping inputs.

Not saying that's acceptable, but I find it really difficult to believe that the game would switch to A.I. upon desync. That would require conscientious effort by the development team on a flaw that they knew would be easily exposed.

Power of the cloud for real.

Originally Posted by GuardianE

I'm not sure why we're assuming that it pits you against the A.I. instead of dropping inputs.

Gettin real tired of people not watching videos in OPs. What else could possibly be controlling the opponent? None other than Artificial Intelligence.

I'm looking forward to seeing how common this issue is. Yuck.

Originally Posted by Tan

Pretty sure Brawl replaced disconnected users with AI, but this seems like its keeping track of inputs despite the game desyncing.

Also what happened to the top screen at the end? Is that how the match really ended on his end?

Yes, he thought the other dude rage quitted, but the game did that for him exactly when the other dude won on his end. This is hilarious.

Originally Posted by GuardianE

I'm not sure why we're assuming that it pits you against the A.I. instead of dropping inputs.

Not saying that's acceptable, but I find it really difficult to believe that the game would switch to A.I. upon desync. That would require conscientious effort by the development team on a flaw that they knew would be easily exposed.

It's definitely not AI, because AI would at least block sometimes.

Originally Posted by Resilient

Gettin real tired of people not watching videos in OPs. What else could possibly be controlling the opponent? None other than Artificial Intelligence.

... not sure if serious.

Originally Posted by sonicmj1

It's definitely not AI, because AI would at least block sometimes.

Yeah, I mean, I guess I just don't want misinformation to spread, because if casual players start believing that A.I. takes over, they're believe that this was the development team intentionally trying to sweep something under the rug.

It doesn't pit you against AI, not sure where you got that. But it is fucking strange and my brain can barely comprehend what's happening with the desych stuff.

It does seem to happen with the local replays too. I've atleast seen it going through survival, sometimes I get a fight that plays out differently and messes up but still seems to keep the inputs. So a combo gets missed/blocked and it puts it out of wack, as my character then does random moves from full screen that I didn't do and it diverges from there. Online replays haven't done this for me yet, but it's super weird.

That's pretty damning

Originally Posted by sonicmj1

It's definitely not AI, because AI would at least block sometimes.

Maybe it's a fightatar?

Originally Posted by sofiabudapest

Hehe, he already had the answer if true

point is, how common is this?


i just watched some matches i had with perfectlegend online, 1:1 on the twitch archive to what i can see on my uploaded video in Skydrive


Same when i train with buddies online, we can go for hours talking about strategies, combos, counter breaker and stuff, but never saw something like that


Let's not blow this out of proportion too soon

I don't get this though. Is this definitely legit?

If you are in voice comms during a match (which you are) ppl would know if there was a different result. I play friends and we never both win, if you know what I mean.

Something is definitely weird about this. It doesn't add up.

Originally Posted by Papercuts

It doesn't pit you against AI, not sure where you got that. But it is fucking strange and my brain can barely comprehend what's happening with the desych stuff.

I got it from the OP, which apparently no one bothered to read. Which is good in this case, since it appears to have misinformation.

Originally Posted by GuardianE

I got it from the OP, which apparently no one bothered to read. Which is good in this case, since it seems to have misinformation.

Sorry, I was referring to why the OP said that, not you.

Originally Posted by Resilient

Gettin real tired of people not watching videos in OPs. What else could possibly be controlling the opponent? None other than Artificial Intelligence.

The game seems to be recognizing player input, it's just that what's happening on screen isn't the same for both players.

At one point, on the bottom video, a character lands a combo starter and proceeds to complete the combo. On the other player's screen, that character misses the combo starter and then hits the air for a while. lol

This is even worse than what's suggested in the OP. It basically defeats the point of playing the game.

Originally Posted by Papercuts

Sorry, I was referring to why the OP said that, not you.

Nope. My bad! I assumed that you were talking about me, but it was just coincidence.

It's clearly not A.I., but I wanted to bring it up since it wasn't really challenged yet.

Originally Posted by Dr.Acula

Power of the cloud for real.

Drivatars are taking over every xbox one game.

Originally Posted by Resilient

Gettin real tired of people not watching videos in OPs. What else could possibly be controlling the opponent? None other than Artificial Intelligence.

You know what I'm "getting real tired of"? People making smartass posts and talking down to people when they themselves don't even properly comprehend what's actually going on.

What the flying fuck?

That just can't be real. Who thinks that's a good idea? I'm speechless...

Well this is interesting...

At least instead of an article theres an actual video to be used as a visual reference for everyone.

Yeah, that doesn't look like AI. It looks like a de-sync. Instead of dropping the connection or attempting to realign, the game just pushes forward out of sync for both players. OP might wanna modify his assessment so people don't come into the thread and get bad/conflicting information.

I remember sometimes the whole 'different match outcomes' happened in SF2 HDR, or at least the early days of it. There were a few cases where it was a win on my end and a win on the other player's end. It got pretty awful when I played in an online tourney for it once, and me, my opponent and the judge were all seeing different results.

Originally Posted by T.O.P

point is, how common is this?


i just watched some matches i had with perfectlegend online, 1:1 on the twitch archive to what i can see on my uploaded video in Skydrive


Same when i train with buddies online, we can go for hours talking about strategies, combos, counter breaker and stuff, but never saw something like that


Let's not blow this out of proportion too soon

I don't have any personal experience with KI, so I'm just making conjecture. It's probably pretty uncommon, because it seems like whenever it happens, the match will inevitably fail to end for one of the two parties. People would be bitching about rampant ragequits if this were super widespread.

Still, any time a match fails to end, this is a possible culprit.

No way...Double Helix please get the hell in here and say something. Right now I'm thanking myself for not buying the system for KI like I wanted to.

Kill-vatars confirmed. That cloud profiling will play the game as you better than yourself!

Originally Posted by EtherMagic

Hmm, this is very odd. I can only speak for myself, but I can 100% with confidence say that about 95% of my online matches I played so far, I can either hear someone breathing, or talking to someone, or noise in the background, or talking to me the entire time while fighting.

Whether this weird sync thing has happened to me the other 5% where I cannot hear anything is anyones guess. Based on my experience, im not bothered by this whatsoever, I know the vast majority of the time I am playing the match is legit.

From what I get from this video your 95% could have been exactly what happened in the op.

Originally Posted by pa22word

You know what I'm "getting real tired of"? People making smartass posts and talking down to people when they themselves don't even properly comprehend what's actually going on.

oh snap

Originally Posted by Copenap

From what I get from this video your 95% could have been exactly what happened in the op.

Except on his end the match had a hang up when DSP 'won' on his side. People would keep getting unfinished matches if it was common.

Originally Posted by abstract alien

No way...Double Helix please get the hell in here and say something. Right now I'm thanking myself for not buying the system for KI like I wanted to.

It's 2AM on the west coast. They're probably all sleeping.