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I'm kinda surprised MS decided to just copy/pasta the interface design for achievements from Windows 8(.1) whole stock...

It's terrible to navigate on PC, I can only imagine it's amplified when using a controller for navigation

Why did they take everything that worked well on the 360 and say "Fuck it, lets start again"? Its almost as if they handed the OS off to the idiots who worked on Win 8.

Knowing MS, the current OS will be completely overhauled and forgotten within the first 18 months. I'm going to guess less dependency on both apps and Kinect, with a streamlined, controller-only option being made available as well.

And a return of Miis.

Originally Posted by Kysen

Why did they take everything that worked well on the 360 and say "Fuck it, lets start again"? Its almost as if they handed the OS off to the idiots who worked on Win 8.

MS under Ballmer saw that Windows 8 Kool-Aid, and drank deep. It will take them a few years to get away from it. 8.1 is a decent start.

Missed game invitations aren’t stored, but lost forever.

That's one I noticed too, but most puzzling was the real reliance on voice control to navigate the OS quickly. Xbox take screenshot vs. Snapping game dvr is kinda odd.

Aye, both consoles have terrible UI that needs a lot of polish and improvements.
Although at least PS4 has some kind of idea of what it wants to do and look like while finding rhyme or reason in X1 interface is not as easy.

Acheivements

By the time you’ve discovered what you unlocked, you’ve stopped caring. That’s assuming you even knew it happened in the first place, as the app is online-only and offline play silently adds your tally to a register you have to go online to view.

Wow looks like the old reason for choose the Xbox for Live has come to pass.

They fucked up real good.

I think they have a point. I don't feel as connected on the X1 compared to the 360, no friend pop ups and the simplicity on the 360 of pressing the guide button and getting a menu with your friends etc is gone.

It might just take some getting used to but at the moment I think it is inferior.

The achievement app is such a step back.

Haha wow...Edge seems pretty harsh.

Ouch. Edge seems a bit angry as of late.

I agree. If you don't care about the TV integration it's a step back in too many respects.

You can’t view or manage storage, a spectacularly poor decision given that the 500GB hard drive will be approaching capacity by March.

You must be able to delete things from the HD though right?

I can color-code the titles to MY color, so the Xbone wins.

Xbone's turn on the Edgey-go-round this week?

Some of that does sound quite horrible though, I must say.

Originally Posted by Doc Evils

Acheivements


Wow looks like the old reason for choose the Xbox for Live has come to pass.

They fucked up real good.

Several Windows 8 apps have the same limited offline functionality. Kindle is almost useless in offline mode, for example. Better to use the desktop version.

It is kind of shitty to see, and use, the backwards steps but all these issues will be addressed and fixed. I have no doubts.

The overall sense is of a design handed over to the team behind the similarly unloved Windows 8 interface

This would explain alot.

Edge aren't biased against the XBoxOne at all... [/sarcasm]

Originally Posted by Y2Kev

That's one I noticed too, but most puzzling was the real reliance on voice control to navigate the OS quickly. Xbox take screenshot vs. Snapping game dvr is kinda odd.

Voice control will always be faster until they add a "share" button on the controller. There other option is a key combo - not sure how well that can work.

Sounds like some valid complaints that I haven't heard anyone raise yet. Surprising that they managed to slow down achievements that much, in particular.

Mindful of its prior issues updating the functionality of Xbox 360, Microsoft has elected to make almost every system function an app.

This is one thing i HATE about the Vita.
And love that they haven't gone this way for PS4, even the store is part of the OS, everything so slick.

Can't comment on Xbone, never used one, but god do i hate Metro.

Originally Posted by Frumix

Aye, both consoles have terrible UI that needs a lot of polish and improvements.
Although at least PS4 has some kind of idea of what it wants to do and look like while finding rhyme or reason in X1 interface is not as easy.

I haven't had an issue with the PS4 UI. It's very simple.

Welp. That doesn't give me much confidence.

Halo 5 will determine if I'll buy an XB1, if that shits the bed, then...yeah.

#PS4son

I've been using it for 10 days now and I honestly don't have that many complaints. Party chat should work like it does on 360, and sure, the OS does have some small bugs and stutters here and there, but so does the PS4 UI when I attempt to view my friends list while playing a game, etc.

It seems like a solid effort for launch, that will surely be improved with updates in the coming months.

The only thing I like about the Xbox One interface is being able to go back to the dash while playing a game. Other than that, I hate it. It is poorly designed, a pain to use, and slower than I was expecting considering it's taking up 3 GB RAM, 2 CPU Cores and 2 Compute Units. Seriously Microsoft, what are you doing?

Originally Posted by clockpunk

Edge aren't biased against the XBoxOne at all... [/sarcasm]

Their staff have opinions. They're supposed to have opinions. They're paid to write about their opinions.

I haven't had the chance to use one myself, but I didn't like what I saw on the Giant Bomb launch stream. They seem to have taken a real step back in many areas.

Originally Posted by TacticalFox88

Welp. That doesn't give me much confidence.

Halo 5 will determine if I'll buy an XB1, if that shits the bed, then...yeah.

#PS4son

highly doubt halo 5 will be bad. Its been a long time since a super high profile launch like that has been bad. Not great def but somehow all these AAAA games turn out decent atleast .. guess too much is riding on them and the teams behind them are talented enough to not mess up :)

Originally Posted by mocoworm

It is kind of shitty to see, and use, the backwards steps but all these issues will be addressed and fixed. I have no doubts.

stay positive.

you might have to wait till 2015 .. for "Treshold"


http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/2/51...ows-phone-xbox

They reinvented the wheel because they needed to push Win8. Kinda like Sony went through a ton of problems to put a bluray drive into the PS3.

Originally Posted by TacticalFox88

Welp. That doesn't give me much confidence.

Halo 5 will determine if I'll buy an XB1, if that shits the bed, then...yeah.

#PS4son

Originally Posted by Ishan

highly doubt halo 5 will be bad. Its been a long time since a super high profile launch like that has been bad. Not great def but somehow all these AAAA games turn out decent atleast .. guess too much is riding on them and the teams behind them are talented enough to not mess up :)

Don't forget where the real Halo is...

Wow. Don't hold back, Edge. Tell us how you truly feel.

Yuck, why would they regress on viewing achievements you've gotten, that was one of the better features the 360 OS had, but I guess you can apparently say that about a good amount of the features in the XB1 OS.

I hate that UI, just as I hate Win 8 UI.

Yup, interface seems to be a complete mess from what I gathered from day-one livestreams.
Simple stuff takes ten times more actions than they did before on the 360.

Maybe if you're one of the few chosen countries that actually supports the voicecommands, then this can be worked around. But then again, the voice stuff seemed equally as janky.

Originally Posted by Frumix

Aye, both consoles have terrible UI that needs a lot of polish and improvements.

Although at least PS4 has some kind of idea of what it wants to do and look like while finding rhyme or reason in X1 interface is not as easy.

I find something new to like about the minimalist PS4 UI every day. It has a learning curve, but it's hardly steep, and after a few weeks with it, I can do almost everything I want to do in seconds.

I even find their data management system efficient in its simplicity. It shows the last few apps used on one screen and the rest are in your library. And when you delete downloadable games, they stay in your library with a download button.

There's certainly room for improvement, but the foundation is solid IMO.

Originally Posted by BruiserBear

I've been using it for 10 days now and I honestly don't have that many complaints. Party chat should work like it does on 360, and sure, the OS does have some small bugs and stutters here and there, but so does the PS4 UI when I attempt to view my friends list while playing a game, etc.

It seems like a solid effort for launch, that will surely be improved with updates in the coming months.

+1

My only complaint is switching to the achievements app, apart from that I find it easy to find stuff and move around.

Originally Posted by Sho_Nuff82

Knowing MS, the current OS will be completely overhauled and forgotten within the first 18 months.

The problem is this isn't anymore the MS that launched and ran Xbox 360. So we don't really know them. Let's see what they'll be able to do and how quickly.

Edit: however yep, my experience with the console hasn't been so awful as they paint it. I'm ok with the app system, but I agree they absolutely have to add more and more features, expecially the ones we lost from Xbox 360.

Originally Posted by Sneds

You must be able to delete things from the HD though right?

Pretty sure there's no data management, the Xbox decides what/when it deletes data based on how long you haven't accessed it.

Originally Posted by Doc Evils

Acheivements


Wow looks like the old reason for choose the Xbox for Live has come to pass.

They fucked up real good.

I don't think you can see your trophies offline on the PS4 either. Weird thing for Sony and MS to do.

The Xbox One UI always baffled me.

For me, the 360 dashboard got worse after every update since the one that changed from the blades. The current sort of windows 8ish tiles interface is a pain IMHO and, from that I've seen of the Xbone's dash, it seems to follow a similar style.

This is the first gen I feel completely 'meh' about, with the whole Xbox 180, day one patch needed to actually play games, DLC and micotransactions getting bigger, game prices going up etc etc. I'm sure more compelling games will help sway me but at the moment seriously, fuck next gen.

Descriptions of Forza 5 online system, Xbone party systems, Achievements and more on Giant Bomb was baffling. X360 had so much better systems, and every single one was thrown away.

Originally Posted by Nicktendo86

For me, the 360 dashboard got worse after every update since the one that changed from the blades. The current sort of windows 8ish tiles interface is a pain IMHO and, from that I've seen of the Xbone's dash, it seems to follow a similar style.

This is the first gen I feel completely 'meh' about, with the whole Xbox 180, day one patch needed to actually play games, DLC and micotransactions getting bigger, game prices going up etc etc. I'm sure more compelling games will help sway me but at the moment seriously, fuck next gen.

The current 360 dash is the best one they've made. The blades were good until more content was added.

Originally Posted by SpinTheBluCircle

I find something new to like about the minimalist PS4 UI every day. It has a learning curve

I don't even think it does. It takes 5 minutes to figure out where everything is located in the PS4 UI.

Kinda sums up my feelings with the OS UI as well. Which is weird because honestly I expected it to shit on PS4's UI (I have some major issues with some usability aspects of PS4's UI). But I up preferring PS4's OS and UI overall. I was expecting XBO's UI to be an evolution of 360s but much faster/snappier. So many things in the UI make no sense. With that stated I hope/assume that MS is listening to the feedback and will soon rectify some of these mistakes.

Originally Posted by SJRB

Pretty sure there's no data management, the Xbox decides what/when it deletes data based on how long you haven't accessed it.

That can't be right surely?! How does that work with game saves? They just store everything in the cloud?

Just finished it, good lord, how could they fuck up the system everyone else was jealous of?

It all worked, they just had to copy it over, what the fuck?
Designed by committee and suits.

Originally Posted by Frumix

Aye, both consoles have terrible UI that needs a lot of polish and improvements.
Although at least PS4 has some kind of idea of what it wants to do and look like while finding rhyme or reason in X1 interface is not as easy.

What is wrong with PS4 UI?