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Clomipramine
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(12-03-2013, 02:21 PM)
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WTF, i can't even remember a console OS that didn't allow to freely manage stored data.
Black Mantis
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(12-03-2013, 02:21 PM)
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Definitely some bizarre omissions, especially coming of the back of the 360 OS. I'm not too bothered though, as Microsoft have shown with the 360, that they're always looking into ways to improve things. Just glad it works smoothly for me overall.
Thrakier
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(12-03-2013, 02:21 PM)

Originally Posted by Green Slime

Ehhh... That might be stretching too far...

No, it really is not. MS TV feature is not usable in most countries and even in the US it seems like it's not much needed. PS3 was the No.1 Netflix-console if I remember right.

The biggest differentiator however is, if you want to use your XB1 as a multimedia streaming center, you have to buy XB Gold. AFTER you bought a 500€ multimedia device with gaming capabilities. How is that a great thing? If PS4 just does, what the user expecets (outputting different video and audio formats via streaming or disc) without any additional costs - then it's superior. That's all there is to it.
Interfectum
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(12-03-2013, 02:22 PM)
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"Comments are currently disabled."

lol
jwk94
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(12-03-2013, 02:23 PM)
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Originally Posted by Thrakier

No, it really is not. MS TV feature is not usable in most countries and even in the US it seems like it's not much needed. PS3 was the No.1 Netflix-console if I remember right.

The biggest differentiator however is, if you want to use your XB1 as a multimedia streaming center, you have to buy XB Gold. AFTER you bought a 500€ multimedia device with gaming capabilities. How is that a great thing? If PS4 just does, what the user expecets (outputting different video and audio formats via streaming or disc) without any additional costs - then it's superior. That's all there is to it.

Wait, streaming your own media from your computer is behind gold?
Brad Grenz
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(12-03-2013, 02:23 PM)
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I guess all those reviews that claimed the Xbox One interface is the future neglected to specify it is a distopian future where nothing works and madness reigns.
fantomena
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(12-03-2013, 02:24 PM)
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What!? I can't manager my saves and storage data. That's just sad. Very sad.
AHA-Lambda
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(12-03-2013, 02:24 PM)
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Respawn’s shooter, still the most impressive next-gen title, arrives in March largely unchallenged by Sony. It’s also multiplayer-only, and it will be preceded by a beta period. In the glory days of 2007, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare’s beta tempted the hardcore over to Xbox Live, establishing an audience that lasted the lifespan of the console. It’s possible, just, that Titanfall could do the same for Xbox One. But Microsoft has a great many problems to fix first. If it cannot get its house in order, it will attract guests, but not residents, to its new console.

Has this been confirmed? First I'm hearing about it.
whitehawk
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(12-03-2013, 02:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by JoeTheBlow

This is one thing i HATE about the Vita.
And love that they haven't gone this way for PS4, even the store is part of the OS, everything so slick.

Can't comment on Xbone, never used one, but god do i hate Metro.

Yup. Things like Friends, party and messages shouldn't be separate apps.
dejan
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(12-03-2013, 02:25 PM)
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See, that's where I disagree with Edge. I don't think it's baffling at all ... the incompetence part, I mean.
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kpaadet
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(12-03-2013, 02:26 PM)
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8/10
A Serious Man
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(12-03-2013, 02:26 PM)
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I will honestly be shocked if they haven't patched in a way to manage your storage space by March or so. That's a glaring oversight and one they have no reason not to fix.
Thrakier
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(12-03-2013, 02:29 PM)

Originally Posted by jwk94

Wait, streaming your own media from your computer is behind gold?

I guess not, but who does that? 90% just want access to Netflix, Lovefilm, YouTube and some other apps. Add BD/DVD to that and we are done with media playback. How is the XB1 superior in that way?
REV 09
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(12-03-2013, 02:29 PM)
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Yep the ui sucks. Luckily this stuff can be fixed over time. The Xbone games and Kinect are the only redeeming factors.
Iacobellis
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(12-03-2013, 02:31 PM)
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This just makes it even harder to swallow that $60 fee. You know what Dashboard worked the best? Blades.
wildfire
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(12-03-2013, 02:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by gofreak


A full breakdown of complaints are at the link.

I have to say, these new consoles have seriously highlighted the pointlessness of the early rush to review new hardware. I feel like there's been the reviews on one side, and then a huge amount of very pertinent stuff that's seemingly only been highlighted afterwards.

Actually I would say this just justifies their demands for getting free consoles early instead of being manipulated into controlled press releases a week or less before launch.
Angelus Errare
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(12-03-2013, 02:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by Maidenpool?

That's an odd thing to leave out. Besides general incompetence, can anyone think of a reason why they would do this?

MS' reason? So gamers don't accidentally overwrite their cloud saves with stuff they don't want.
Festwill
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(12-03-2013, 02:32 PM)
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Two questions,
1) what's the knock on the PS4 UI? Haven't messed with it much, but it seems sleek and responsive enough,
2) read a few comments along the lines of "EDGE is angry, it's the xbone's turn," did I miss an episode? what's happened?
Riky
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(12-03-2013, 02:32 PM)
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I'm struggling to see what the massive resource reservation (3gb of ram etc) are actually giving me that's useful at this point?

MS should be freeing up those resources as soon as possible to devs.
driver116
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(12-03-2013, 02:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by whitehawk

Yup. Things like Friends, party and messages shouldn't be separate apps.

Sony, please take note.
Varth
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(12-03-2013, 02:33 PM)
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It's not like the PS4 UI is much better right now. Actually I hate it with a passion. Hope a new fw update is coming FAST.
Green Slime
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(12-03-2013, 02:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by Thrakier

I guess not, but who does that? 90% just want access to Netflix, Lovefilm, YouTube and some other apps. Add BD/DVD to that and we are done with media playback. How is the XB1 superior in that way?

Because it does all that, plus streaming from PC, PLUS using Smart Glass and/or Kinect for ease of use.
Iacobellis
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(12-03-2013, 02:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by Varth

It's not like the PS4 UI is much better right now. Actually I hate it with a passion. Hope a new fw update is coming FAST.

What's wrong with it?
EventHorizon
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(12-03-2013, 02:35 PM)
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The reason Microsoft threw out the old perfectly good UI is that they wanted a single interface for all their devices. Unfortunately they are firmly in the "Jack of all trades and master of none" territory. Each interface should be designed to be optimal with it the way it is used. Consoles should be designed to work best with controllers, tablets and phones with touch, and computers with keyboard and mouse.

I find it ironic that the reason given of making everything an app is to speed the ability to do updates. My prediction is that due to the desire of having a unified interface across all devices, Microsoft will take even longer to update their UI. They'll have to make sure that any change will work and be consistent every where it is used. To be fair given their mandate, if they didn't do this it would have taken even longer to make changes. However, all they have done is change the requirement that a change be compatable with the rest of the consoles OS to the requirement that a change be compatable with that feature across all OSs.
RaikuHebi
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(12-03-2013, 02:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by Varth

It's not like the PS4 UI is much better right now. Actually I hate it with a passion. Hope a new fw update is coming FAST.

You're crazy.

I am an avid fan of the XMB but the PS4's UI is on another level. So smooth and snappy. Looks and sounds beautiful as well. (though I personally prefer UI sounds off).
Wallach
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(12-03-2013, 02:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by Angelus Errare

You can delete games and apps, you can't delete game saves.

This is hilarious to me. This is next gen stuff.
Nightengale
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(12-03-2013, 02:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by Green Slime

Because it does all that, plus streaming from PC, PLUS using Smart Glass and/or Kinect for ease of use.

What?
Banjo-Kazooie
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(12-03-2013, 02:36 PM)
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The achievement app is a huge step back for me. I LOVED the easiness of seeing achievements in real time as they happened. I would refresh xbox.com to see the achievement I just earned, now I have to load up SmartGlass to see it off my Xbox. On the Xbox itself, whereas before it was as easy as pressing the guide button during the achievement pop, now I have to load up a whole seperate app and filter through locked and earned achievements, click on a large image, and then finally find out what I did to earn it.

I love the challenges aspect and the media app achievements, but everything else is so backwards.
driver116
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(12-03-2013, 02:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by Green Slime

Because it does all that, plus streaming from PC, PLUS using Smart Glass and/or Kinect for ease of use.

If ease of use means go to PC, open Windows media player and click 'play on xbox one'
then yeah.

Both systems are in need of DLNA
Angelus Errare
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(12-03-2013, 02:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by Festwill

Two questions,
1) what's the knock on the PS4 UI? Haven't messed with it much, but it seems sleek and responsive enough,
2) read a few comments along the lines of "EDGE is angry, it's the xbone's turn," did I miss an episode? what's happened?

Download three items at once and let me know how responsive it is. Then try to pause any of those downloads.
Festwill
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(12-03-2013, 02:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by Angelus Errare

Download three items at once and let me know how responsive it is. Then try to pause any of those downloads.

Yeah ok, didnt know about that. Weird that they dont let you pause downloads.
Thrakier
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(12-03-2013, 02:41 PM)

Originally Posted by Green Slime

Because it does all that, plus streaming from PC, PLUS using Smart Glass and/or Kinect for ease of use.

It does all that when you pay for it. Streaming from PC already worked on PS3. There is a camera with voice input and a playstation app as well.
jcracken
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(12-03-2013, 02:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sneds

Their staff have opinions. They're supposed to have opinions. They're paid to write about their opinions.


But does that apply to Polygon as well?
Sojgat
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(12-03-2013, 02:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by Iacobellis

This just makes it even harder to swallow that $60 fee. You know what Dashboard worked the best? Blades.

True. Which is why I used the guide menu 90% of the time on 360.

Edge is spot on here, Xbox One UI is absolute garbage. The user has to patch together a basic semblance of the previous functionality through the use of apps like Skype. Nothing works as it should, and even if it did it would still be a step backwards.
curb
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(12-03-2013, 02:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by R_thanatos

I don't understand why edge need to talk about titanfall in an article dedicated to console interfaces.

Probably because I think Microsoft has driven it into the media's head that Titanfall is the key player in this console "war" and that even though it's on PC and 360, those versions aren't the ones that matter.
jcracken
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(12-03-2013, 02:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by Nightengale

What?


It has PlayTo support.
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(12-03-2013, 02:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by Green Slime

Because it does all that, plus streaming from PC, PLUS using Smart Glass and/or Kinect for ease of use.

For a yearly fee. A lot of the media features of the One are behind the Gold paywall. And Thrakier is assuming that most people who buy a console for it's media features use those rather than DLNA.
I do think Sony needs to add DLNA to the ps4 asap though but for the average user ps4 might be a better media box.

And i'd argue that Kinect isn't actually an advantage if you're not the only user of the tv it's connected to.
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Sneds
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(12-03-2013, 02:44 PM)
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Originally Posted by jcracken

But does that apply to Polygon as well?

Of course.
jcracken
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(12-03-2013, 02:44 PM)
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Originally Posted by Iacobellis

This just makes it even harder to swallow that $60 fee. You know what Dashboard worked the best? Blades.


I don't know if I lived in a different universe than anyone else, but blades were just completely awful. I don't see how anybody could praise them.
Xone9
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(12-03-2013, 02:46 PM)
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love my xbox one for voice and gaming..

the interface as far as starting a party and seeing which friends are online is a joke.. its so broke... the 360 works 100x better
TonkuySlon
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(12-03-2013, 02:46 PM)
I got no big problem with the XOne UI...my only concern is easier to get to achievements and storage management...the rest I've got no issues.
TonkuySlon
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(12-03-2013, 02:47 PM)

Originally Posted by Sojgat

True. Which is why I used the guide menu 90% of the time on 360.

Edge is spot on here, Xbox One UI is absolute garbage. The user has to patch together a basic semblance of the previous functionality through the use of apps like Skype. Nothing works as it should, and even if it did it would still be a step backwards.

You are entitled to your opinion...
jcracken
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(12-03-2013, 02:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by Thrakier

It does all that when you pay for it. Streaming from PC already worked on PS3. There is a camera with voice input and a playstation app as well.


PS4 doesn't have streaming from PC is what he was trying to reference. The voice input is pretty rudimentary and quickly put together to combat the Kinect commands AFAIK.
AlphaTwo00
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(12-03-2013, 02:48 PM)
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Question for the xbox one owners, has anyone figured out how to see beyond the first 3 games in the Xbox one section of the achievement list? I must be missing something.
10101
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(12-03-2013, 02:48 PM)
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Wow that's a pretty scathing summary of it. I have to say I got a win 8.1 PC the other week and the metro interface / apps are a fucking nightmare. The first thing I did was make it as much like win 7 as I could (the actual underlying OS is pretty good though IMO) it's a pain to use with a mouse and I would Imagine its ten times worse with a controller.

Hope they sort it out before I get one (they have time though lol)!
slothmoney
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(12-03-2013, 02:48 PM)
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I'm surprised the article doesn't mention the lack of natural language processing (like Siri or Google now). The fact that you need to tell
Kinect to "Play Forza Motorsport 5" rather than just "Play Forza" in 2013 is almost laughable and a massive oversight in intuitive design.

Originally Posted by Thrakier

No, it really is not. MS TV feature is not usable in most countries...

Most counties? Try every country other than the US. It's one of the biggest omissions in all the reviews I've read. The one is only "one experience" in the US - and even then if you use cable. Since it also lacks satellite support)
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Apdiddy
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(12-03-2013, 02:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by Goldmund

The last paragraph is really weird.

Yeah, it's not 2007 anymore and there's no way of knowing how Titanfall will do. Sure, it looks amazing and looks like COD with mechs, but until the beta starts, it's pretty much hype.
Varth
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(12-03-2013, 02:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by Iacobellis

What's wrong with it?

It's FAR less rational and intuitive than the old XMB to me. Also, too much stuff is crammed in settings menu, counterintuitive stuff like my real name on the lower home screen when I'm supposed to appear with my PSN handle, not being able to tell if I'm online or not at times come to mind.

Many of those spring from the online infrastructure working poorly, and a lot of this is gonna recede with time. But really, I was more than a little bit underwhelmed by PS4 itself, both FW features and UI-wise. I mean, I still remember what PS3 was at its birth, so no big deal. But I'm surprised it's not only on par, but a couple of steps behind PS3 in many ways right now.
driver116
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(12-03-2013, 02:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by jcracken

PS4 doesn't have streaming from PC is what he was trying to reference. The voice input is pretty rudimentary and quickly put together to combat the Kinect commands AFAIK.

It worked flawlessly for me - on par with the One. Just needs more commands.
Coulomb_Barrier
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(12-03-2013, 02:50 PM)
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Why the fuck weren't all this covered in the console hardware reviews?

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