NeoGAF

I'm totally for respeccing, but not "on-the-fly" during quests, missions or whatever structure the game in question employs. My main gripe with not being able to respec is that I've yet to play a game where it's immediately obvious what talent/skill you'd prefer both now and in the long run. To make informed decision one usually needs to play around with the systems or read up outside of the game.

I dont mind respecs like D2 in a late patch. You get 1 per difficulty. No more.

I dont like D3 style. There's no sense of build with free respecs

PoE is kinda extreme but they provide full respecs on rare occasions where theres a significant change on the tree.

Originally Posted by Bedlam

The human mind is weak and I don't want to constantly fight the urge.

I find this hilarious for some reason. XD

Sooner or later , you all will be able to re-spec to your heart content by purchasing the re-spec DLC . Glorious

Originally Posted by Bedlam

I'll bring this up again because no one gave me an answer: what about adding a difficulty that doesn't allow re-spec-ing? That'd be alright with me if I only have to make that decision once and don't have to think about it for the rest of the game.

What answer do you expect, why would anyone object to that? It's not like people are complaining about ARPGs having hardcore modes or XCOM having iron man. The more choice the better.

Though rather than being a separate difficulty, it could be a checbox when starting the game.

Originally Posted by Wolf Akela

I dont mind respecs like D2 in a late patch. You get 1 per difficulty. No more.

I dont like D3 style. There's no sense of build with free respecs

PoE is kinda extreme but they provide full respecs on rare occasions where theres a significant change on the tree.

You can get more respecs in D2 but it requires boss drops. Totally forgot they added those to D2. Kinda wish PoE had a similar system to D2.

Respeccing needs to be a thing in games where your spec actually matters. It's bullshit having to abandon a character or a save if you specced yourself wrong and cannot continue in a sensible fashion.

Originally Posted by Stimpack

Should pencils have erasers? Yay or nay?

You can just buy the eraser add-on, duh.

Yeah, not allowing for respecs is an outdated game design that stopped being cool around the time when you could afford more than 2 games a year.

And anyone who says respecs are shit because they like the 'challenge', I guess resisting the urge to respec in a game that allows it is a bit too much of a challenge for you, huh?

Originally Posted by Vodh

Yeah, not allowing for respecs is an outdated game design that stopped being cool around the time when you could afford more than 2 games a year.

Bad game design is what's happening today, turning games into mere content tourism.

Originally Posted by Vodh

And anyone who says respecs are shit because they like the 'challenge', I guess resisting the urge to respec in a game that allows it is a bit too much of a challenge for you, huh?

Yep. I'm not playing games to fight psychological battles.

Originally Posted by Bedlam

Bad game design is what's happening today, turning games into mere content tourism.

If spending 500+ hours on a game is content tourism then yeah, ok, sure.

Originally Posted by Bedlam

Yep. I'm not playing games to fight psychological battles.

Well, sucks for you then. On the other hand, myself and a lot of others are not playing games for a boring grind, and that's what having to reroll every time you want to change a spec ultimately is.

IMO, depending on a game, a lot of the time there should be some cost or restrictions associated with respeccing, but not allowing it at all is an easy way to cross the game off my list. In fact, that + terrible combat is what turned me off PoE.

When playing Dark Souls, I take the easy route and simply don't spec. SL5 for life.

You should have unlimited respecs that need to be earned somehow, and you'd realistically access maybe 2 times in a 40 hour game. In games with different classes, you should probably be locked to the class, though.

A lot of RPGs force you to make decisions before you know anything about the game and stick to them. Its kind of unfair when you have no way out of that.

Originally Posted by Vodh

IMO, depending on a game, a lot of the time there should be some cost or restrictions associated with respeccing, but not allowing it at all is an easy way to cross the game off my list. In fact, that + terrible combat is what turned me off PoE.

PoE allows respeccing. You get respec points for quests, and can also turn orbs of regret into respec points. It WILL be expensive and time consuming to completely respec your character back to 0 points invested. But its not true to say there's no respeccing (you also get an opportunity to respec usually whenever there's a big patch that affects skills and balance, but of course that happens irregularly - probably 3 or 4 times since I started playing, so its not something you can count on).

Sure Dragons crown benefits from it imo, I for one don't mind completely replaying a game just to try a new build though.

No respeccing at all, in my opinion. The ability to respec removes replay value.

And for those of you who agonize over your spec decisions: get over it? It's a video game. Stop being such min-maxing perfectionists. It's not the game's fault that you've made the decision to treat it like a surgery.

Originally Posted by spirity

PoE allows respeccing. You get respec points for quests, and can also turn orbs of regret into respec points. It WILL be expensive and time consuming to completely respec your character back to 0 points invested. But its not true to say there's no respeccing (you also get an opportunity to respec usually whenever there's a big patch that affects skills and balance, but of course that happens irregularly - probably 3 or 4 times since I started playing, so its not something you can count on).

Yeah, I know. And as far as punishment for respeccing goes, in PoE it's too big for my liking.

Originally Posted by Vodh

Yeah, I know. And as far as punishment for respeccing goes, in PoE it's too big for my liking.

Ah, fair enough then.

Originally Posted by Alvarez

No respeccing at all, in my opinion. The ability to respec removes replay value.

And for those of you who agonize over your spec decisions: get over it? It's a video game. Stop being such min-maxing perfectionists. It's not the game's fault that you've made the decision to treat it like a surgery.

I'll counterpoint and say that it's not the player's fault that RPG designers keep including multitudes of build choices that aren't properly balanced with each other, then fail to sufficiently reward or punish those choices until tens of hours later.