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Oh wow, read that post a bit ago but never made the connection that the poster saying that was a game dev.

Anyways, come on guys it is just someone speaking their mind, which is what GAF is for. He isn't anyone who has a crystal ball about the future of Nintendo, same goes for Jason Rubin. Unless he has insider knowledge or deep understanding of Nintendo's business then his post is worth just as much as every other person who posts here. (And he even admitted that he was saying crazy talk)

Originally Posted by Anth0ny

If he's talking about the UK, he's really not wrong.

I was thinking the same thing. I have a Wii, loved the Galaxy games and would play 3D World if I owned a Wii U but, on the whole, I don't think the general UK public do give a shit about Mario now that the Wii buzz is well and truly dead.

Originally Posted by Socreges

You're some kind of sleuth!

What the article is quoting, as is explained in the OP, is what he posted on GAF.

pshhh

reading the OP is for mugs

Its not seeing another another Christmas on store shelves. He is right. It will be only be sold online by holiday 2014.

Originally Posted by Nibel

GAF > Internet > GAF

Yep. Good job with the ad hominems Nintendo GAF!

Also, if things continue as they are for the Wii U I don't see retailers continuing to waste shelf space on it. There won't be a Wii U next Christmas even if Nintendo doesn't just give up.

Originally Posted by Hot Coldman

sounds like an expert in things no-one gives a shit about

This. Little Deviants tanked hard and was garbage. Funny that he's talking about the Wii U failing despite helping making a game that sold awfully on a handheld that's selling just as bad as the Wii U.

Originally Posted by chris121580

Super Mario 3D World is better than any launch game for either console. I bought the PS4 and have spent more time on my Wii U since I bought Mario than on my PS4. There was nothing stupid about their idea to launch the game alongside those consoles. It's been sold out pretty much every store I've gone to. I'll be interested to see the numbers

I'm talking about the UK, to be clear.

Anyway, great games don't automatically sell well, even Mario ones. You need to give it the room to breath and shine and stand out, which you can't do when as you're releasing it all the public can see is "NEW PLAYSTATION OUT NOW". Especially in Britain, which Sony ruled with an iron fist for a good decade.

I think the major problem is install base. I think if the console wasn't selling like crap, releasing opposite the PS4 (or the Xbone) would have been a-OK, but that's not the case.

Originally Posted by SixFourMike

1. Who or what is Little Deviants? Is it a game? A dev?

It's a game for PlayStation Vita with a Metacritic ranking of 57%. Yeah I know, Metacritic is shit... but still...

I care about Mario and I'm really looking forward to play it soon :-)

Originally Posted by Jeramii

I give a shit. Mario 3D World was an absolute delight to play co-op in.

As for Little Deviants, uh..... :\

Gotta say though, up until 3D World arrived, my Wii U had been turned off for about 10 months straight. But Between Mario 3D World and Wind Waker HD, I've been playing my Wii U more the last few weeks than my XB1 or PS4.

You missed some games. Namely the best game of the year not named Dota 2.

Originally Posted by traveler

Well, he may not be wrong, but if this industry really doesn't give a shit about Mario, then the whole console scene can die in a fire by next Christmas for all I care. I'm not sure why people are becoming increasingly spiteful towards Nintendo as their sales performance worsens; there isn't some ratio between sales and quality that validates all the hatred being spewed their direction.

For a lot of gamers it seems they want to be on the winning team more then anything else. quality be damned.

Originally Posted by Angry Grimace

I just find it funny when GAF complains about games journalism being a huge joke and then also complains when someone talks exactly like GAF does. You cannot have it both ways.

our choices aren't only between incompetence and idiocy

Here's the deal: Nintendo has nothing else to release right now when it comes to consoles. Even if they're the ONLY party releasing games for the system, it still will be around until 2015. At least bring out Kart/Smash/Zelda to try and recoup some of those losses that would be there if they gave up on it right now.

Originally Posted by Hot Coldman

sounds like an expert in things no-one gives a shit about

Yep, sounds like it.

Originally Posted by The Beta Max

WOWZERS

BOWZERS

You would think someone who makes games for a living would have enough education to express themselves in a better way. Unless it's attention he's after, then mission accomplished.

Let me crack open the beer and popcorn.

Why are people so obsessed with the guy's background rather than the content? The way people are talking, essentially every opinion expressed on GAF is worthless and pointless as well I guess.

Originally Posted by Hot Coldman

I'm talking about the UK, to be clear.

Anyway, great games don't automatically sell well, even Mario ones. You need to give it the room to breath and shine and stand out, which you can't do when as you're releasing it all the public can see is "NEW PLAYSTATION OUT NOW". Especially in Britain, which Sony ruled with an iron fist for a good decade.

Ah ok, sorry...I didn't realize you were referring to the UK. That makes more sense

Well, being outsold by Knack must hurt.
That said, is forgetting the 3DS exists a sport or something?

Originally Posted by Ninjimbo

Every. Fucking. Day. I swear...

It's kind of like every hour at this point.

I don't get why a site makes an article about a post made by a small developer in here, it's almost click bait to be honest.

Geez, GAF > Internet > GAF is real lol

Mario games keep selling as time goes on unlike many other games. The heck is Little Deviants anyway?

Originally Posted by Hot Coldman

sounds like an expert in things no-one gives a shit about

Lol sounds about right.

This is meta.

I don't think that his opinion is the problem (though I disagree with his hyperbole opinion that the Wii U won't see another Christmas since that's when Zelda U will arrive and there'll be enough people to jump in), it's the existence of the article

It's quoting a random GAF post and making news out of it, even though they could have picked any post. You don't need to work in the industry to be knowledgable about the industry, in fact I think that there are dozens of people on the net more educated in certain areas than people working in the industry

The whole OP doesn't state anything new, it's basically the same news we had for a few hours now and I think the entire post isn't ideal for a fruitful discussion

Him being the dev behind a bomba game is a priceless coincidence though, that I must admit

3D World is dope.

I think he's an inarticulate idiot, but I think that if they put out another Mario game next Holiday and expect it to sell units, they are in for a harsh reality.

Originally Posted by traveler

Well, he may not be wrong, but if this industry really doesn't give a shit about Mario, then the whole console scene can die in a fire by next Christmas for all I care. I'm not sure why people are becoming increasingly spiteful towards Nintendo as their sales performance worsens; there isn't some ratio between sales and quality that validates all the hatred being spewed their direction.

Yeah the spite pisses me off and I just don't get it. There's always so much hate toward Nintendo when they're doing badly. As the single standing remnant of the beginning of the gaming industry, you'd think everyone would always root for them, but people can't wait to turn on them and hope to piss on their grave. It's really bizarre.

Originally Posted by Kandrick

Yet the Wii U will still be there next Christmas, even in the UK, so he's kinda wrong.

Wii U is barely even there this christmas, multiple UK stores have stopped stocking it

Lol he says this before Smash Bros, Mario Kart 8, Zelda U, Star Fox U, Metroid U, and F-Zero U? You little deviant...

Originally Posted by Feorax

Those games have had long legs usually because the consoles they are on sell at an equally steady rate. Recent figures seem to suggest the Wii-U is only consistent in selling badly.

Super Mario 3D Land, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Zelda, none of these are going to do great numbers if the console doesn't shift a hell of a lot more units. To have been overtaken in LTD by two consoles that have barely been out 3 weeks is embarassing.

That's true. But to count the system out on a whole before it reaches it's enivable sales sweet spot is shortsighted at best, foolhardy at worst.

I know I make a lot of jokes about WiiU fire sales, but let's get serious for a minute, the WiiU hasn't hit 250 dollars yet (outside of sales). It hasn't hit the point where it becomes an impulse buy for people on the fence. Talking about them throwing in the towel before that point is just silly.

But yes, it's up to Nintendo to get people to understand what the WiiU actually is before any of that stuff sells 10 million. But they still have time to do that, or at the very least, make it a system that's appealing to gamers who have 5:1 attach rates or higher. I highly doubt they'll win this generation, but I don't see them bowing out for some time either. Their IP's are system sellers, they just need to, you know, prepare more than 1 in a year.

I think 2015 is the year that Nintendo is forced to make a WiiU full on pokemon game. I don't think they can let the fire of that property just push the 3DS anymore.

Originally Posted by Japanmanx3

Lol he saus this before Smash Bros, Mario Kart 8, Zelda U, Star Fox U, Metroid U, and F-Zero U? You little deviant...

To be fair, only 2 of those have actually been announced.

I wouldn't get excited about a new Star Fox game until they announce who's developing.

Originally Posted by Xer0

People can keep using it as a crouch, but, this guy's previous work has nothing to do with whether or not what he's saying is accurate.

If people still gave as much of a shit about Mario as they used to, it would have sold as well as it used to. It's sad, but, hard to ignore that the interest isn't as big as it used to be.

It sells just fine on 3DS, so people obviously do still care about it. The system is the problem. Nintendo never gave anyone a reason to buy it over PS3/360 last year.

Originally Posted by Flame Lord

This is going to be an extremely entertaining thread.

Yes. Dis gon be gud.

Also, Awesome avatar. Ozzie is great.

Originally Posted by cw_sasuke

Smash and Mario Kart were the biggest titles on the Cube, WiiU might be a failure but counting it out before Nintendo have released these big games is premature. Zelda will be unveiled as well next year.

Gamecube had Smash, Kart and Zelda.

Remind me how well it sold ?

If the majority of the thread is making the argument that he's not fit to comment because he worked on a bad game, where does that leave most of the people in this thread who haven't worked on any games? Or on the whole forum for that matter? It works both ways guys that's why it's best to not resort to that kind of stuff because he said something that makes you feel uncomfortable.

Originally Posted by traveler

You missed some games. Namely the best game of the year not named Dota 2.

opinions are fun.

Ex-Sony dev doesn't what Nintendo does.

Until Mario Kart and Smash aren't released, no one should predict anything. Heck, Nintendo might even turn it around like they did with the 3DS. Everyone needs to just calm down and see how things unfold rather than say "Nintendoomed"

Originally Posted by fanduck

Anyway, I hope this guys right! I will probably never buy a WIIU, but I would love to play the new Mario... I could only imagine how many millions of dollars Nintendo would gain if they released Mario on all consoles.

Not as much as they're making now even with a failing console. Those licensing fees, man.

Originally Posted by michaelius

Gamecube had Smash, Kart and Zelda.

Remind me how well it sold ?

Well enough to survive the generation...

Originally Posted by codhand

opinions are fun.

He ain't wrong though.

I care bout Mario :<

3d World is one of the best games I've played this year no question. Multiplayer is pure fun printed on plastic.

Originally Posted by Linkin Park

This. Little Deviants tanked hard and was garbage. Funny that he's talking about the Wii U failing despite helping making a game that sold awfully on a handheld that's selling just as bad as the Wii U.

Like I said before, what does the game he formally made have anything to do with the statements he made about Nintendo? This is getting out of control now. Ad hominem all up in this piece.

He really on gaf? No wonder lol

Originally Posted by ismk

Until Mario Kart and Smash aren't released, no one should predict anything. Heck, Nintendo might even turn it around like they did with the 3DS. Everyone needs to just calm down and see how things unfold rather than say "Nintendoomed"

Kart and smash did nothing for the Gamecube. Its not gonna magicaly make the wiiU a best seller.

The guy is as well-placed as any of us to comment about Nintendo's state. Let's be honest here - most of us don't have much hope left for the WiiU.

Nintendo has great software but their hardware sucks. If you ask me they should work together with Valve and should bring stuff like f2p Mario Kart or SMash Bros with a dota2 like f2p system. A Nintendo Steammachine, on pc they can release every kind of crazy peripheral :lol
I know this will never happen but man i would be happy :P

So much Mario 3D Land salt these last few days.

Originally Posted by domstah

So someone can't have an opinion on NeoGAF now?

I don't consider calling a group of people "nobody" as an opinion.

A lot of salt always comes from both sides in Nintendo threads.

Surprised a mod hasn't locked this yet.

Originally Posted by Japanmanx3

Lol he says this before Smash Bros, Mario Kart 8, Zelda U, Star Fox U, Metroid U, and F-Zero U? You little deviant...

I predict that the bolded will never be released.

Where is the obligatory blackboard post???