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Originally Posted by michaelius

Gamecube had Smash, Kart and Zelda.

Remind me how well it sold ?

It sold well enough to be profitable. People need to stop being so fixated on the number of units sold versus actual profit. But if the Wii U truly is being sold at a loss like they claim, then Nintendo is fucked.

Originally Posted by Wynnebeck

Like I said before, what does the game he formally made have anything to do with the statements he made about Nintendo? This is getting out of control now. Ad hominem all up in this piece.

And like I said before, just because this guy is a developer doesn't mean he knows shit about the industry. He is plugging away with code all day, that's it.

Originally Posted by ismk

Until Mario Kart and Smash aren't released, no one should predict anything. Heck, Nintendo might even turn it around like they did with the 3DS. Everyone needs to just calm down and see how things unfold rather than say "Nintendoomed"

I honestly don't believe 2 games will save the Wii U. Yes they will sell more consoles depending on how great the game is.

Originally Posted by Sneds

The Cube also flopped.

The Cube flopping also didn't mean that no one gave a shit about Mario.

Originally Posted by traveler

Well, he may not be wrong, but if this industry really doesn't give a shit about Mario, then the whole console scene can die in a fire by next Christmas for all I care. I'm not sure why people are becoming increasingly spiteful towards Nintendo as their sales performance worsens; there isn't some ratio between sales and quality that validates all the hatred being spewed their direction.

It's because, for the most part, it's self inflicted. I mean, what the fuck were Nintendo thinking releasing SM3DW during the XB1/PS4 launch? Why are we yet to see anything that sells the tablet controller as a must have device? Why was it overpriced for so long for technology not a great deal better than last gen? Why did Nintendo sit on their ass and do nothing of note with a year headstart?

Companies that make bad decisions like the above shouldn't succeed, and generally don't succeed in the marketplace.

I suspect the attitude to Nintendo will shift if/when they sort themselves out, just like it did with Sony and PS3.

LOL! When I read the title, I immediately thought how he would so qualify for posting on NeoGAF. I actually remember that post.

Originally Posted by Kyou

our choices aren't only between incompetence and idiocy

You're saying there's a middle option between being honest and being full of it? I don't think so. Random developers don't have handlers because they aren't really celebrities; they market to audiences who talk and think the way GAF does.

Originally Posted by Sneds

I predict that the bolded will never be released.

I'm seriously beginning to wonder if we ever see Zelda on Wii U.

Originally Posted by traveler

Well, he may not be wrong, but if this industry really doesn't give a shit about Mario, then the whole console scene can die in a fire by next Christmas for all I care. I'm not sure why people are becoming increasingly spiteful towards Nintendo as their sales performance worsens; there isn't some ratio between sales and quality that validates all the hatred being spewed their direction.

Linder wasn't talking about the industry not giving a shit about Mario, but the British public judging by the sales of Mario 3D World.

I don't find his opinion very inflammatory, it looks to me he actually wants Nintendo better judging by his remark that he was frustrated by Nintendo releasing the game in November when two console releases took away the game's chance to steal the spotlight. And I also believe that Christmas 2014 could be the end of the Wii U if things don't improve rapidly. It makes more sense for Nintendo to pour resources in cheap and profitable 3DS games than expensive and money losing Wii U games. (And I'm saying this as a Wii U owner who likes the system and wants it to live a long and happy life - but sales don't lie).

Originally Posted by Raist

Hold on, it's even worse than I thought.

VG247 made an article reporting on a Nintendo Life article reporting that someone posted a bunch of negative thoughts on WiiU.

Now waiting for IGN to wrap up the news. Hopefully they'll contact a bunch of Nintendo fans on GAF to give their own insight on the matter.

Wait. I need to correct this:


VG247 made an article reporting on a Nintendo Life article reporting on a Gamingbolt article reporting that someone (ex-Sony dev) posted a bunch of negative thoughts on WiiU/Mario.

In our next episode of The X factor: Garne Jurnalizm edition, find out how Kotaku reports on a CVG article reporting on a Polygon article reporting on a mattrick4ever.com article reporting that an ex-xbox one dev posted on GAF that the cloud is for realz.

A random NeoGAF post is news now? And what is Little Deviants?

Originally Posted by NightBlade

I honestly don't believe 2 games will save the Wii U. Yes they will sell more consoles depending on how great the game is.

Exactly. They just released a 3d Mario at the peak of peak in the shopping season and it doesn't look like that has helped much. Two more marque games won't help much more either

Originally Posted by Derrick01

If the majority of the thread is making the argument that he's not fit to comment because he worked on a bad game, where does that leave most of the people in this thread who haven't worked on any games? Or on the whole forum for that matter? It works both ways guys that's why it's best to not resort to that kind of stuff because he said something that makes you feel uncomfortable.

This is true. It's sad the way some people are taking this as an attack on themselves. It's ok to disagree and argue about someone's opinions without all the personal attacks.

I hope he is wrong, but eh...

Originally Posted by Zen_Arcade

The Cube flopping also didn't mean that no one gave a shit about Mario.

Read the complete quote, not just the headline.... That's not what he said.

I want a few games on the Wii U, and I plan on buying it and these games this holiday. SM3DW is not one of them :(

Originally Posted by Japanmanx3

Lol he says this before Smash Bros, Mario Kart 8, Zelda U, Star Fox U, Metroid U, and F-Zero U? You little deviant...

ok guys we need to update the chalkboard picture.

I hope panic mode Nintendo unleash hell fury next year

Originally Posted by Sneds

I predict that the bolded will never be released.

Don't kill the dream!

I'm kinda confused as to why people are so fixated on his position. Attack him for his arguments, not ad hominem yourself into a frothy frenzy.

That being said, I do acknowledge there are instances where a person's position may lend more or less credibility to his arguments, but I don't think that's really the case here.

If one of the Sony CEOs had said the same thing, though... Hoo boy.

Never heard about Linder, never heard about "Little Deviants", what's so important about this guys' opinion?

Originally Posted by Nibel

GAF > Internet > GAF

Happens way too frequently. lol

Originally Posted by fanduck

What a deceptive headline... He uses the phrase "Nobody gives a shit" and the word Mario in the same conversation, and suddenly he's saying nobody gives a shit about mario?
.

yeah i just noticed this. he didn't say no-one gives a shit about mario, he said that choosing to release it next to the new console launches with their media barrage distracted from the its system selling ability. well in coarser language, but all nuance is removed for attention grabbing headline.

absolutely awful journalism. but then their deliberate attempt to get attention got everyone's attention in classic tabloid style *sigh*

Originally Posted by POWERSPHERE

I hope panic mode Nintendo unleash hell fury next year

2014 is probably too soon for them. making hd games is hard. give them until 2015

Originally Posted by Raist

They made an entire article based on a bunch of posts on GAF? Really?

Isn't that what most gaming sites do nowadays? Atleast Kotaku credits us, IGN on the other hand...

Originally Posted by Zen_Arcade

The Cube flopping also didn't mean that no one gave a shit about Mario.

I didn't say it did.

But I think you're in for a shock if you think that Zelda, Mario Kart and Smash will turn round the Wii U's fortunes. And I want it to do well.

Originally Posted by BlackBuzzard

Kart and smash did nothing for the gamecube, its time to start facing reality.

Eh. I skipped gamecube completely. The Wii is proof they can win over families and many gamers. I went back on the Wii and played a few gamecube games I missed out on, but that's about it.

I've not lost my faith yet. When an original Zelda title comes out, that'll pull in a big chunk of people. As I wrote earlier, Mario 3D World is down right fantastic. If DK or Smash even come close, it'll be much harder to pass up a Wii U if you don't have one already.

Originally Posted by RurouniZel

And what is Little Deviants?

Some crappy Vita launch game.

On topic, he's just talking about the UK right? There is no way the Wii U is not on shelves for the holidays next year in the US.

I knew posting on GAF would be a fast-track to my page 3 career. Thank you Kenny, for showing me the way.

(An article about a GAF post like that is fucking nuts).

Sounds like this "dev" is being a bitter fanboy.

By the way: the whole whining about "it doesn't matter what game he worked on, you guys on the first page are embarrassing >:(" comes off as so annoyingly artificial, especially since this is NeoGAF where jabs and funny responses are enjoyed

Relax guys, it's just little bit fun in here

I give a shit about a brilliantly designed game. If it's wrong to love Mario 3D World I don't wanna be right.

Originally Posted by Ludicrous Speed

2014 is probably too soon for them. making hd games is hard. give them until 2015

LOL

I remember when Iwata admitted they made this mistake. What in the world had they been doing for the last 3 years?

Originally Posted by Kandrick

Some people in the industry are still mad that the Wii was a success, especially given all the doom talk, it being a "fad" that was not going to sell at all, etc. Now that the Wii U is not setting the charts on fire, they can finally let their rage out.

It´s nice of you to be so delusional.

Originally Posted by Wynnebeck

This. The first page is rife with saltiness. The man's background has nothing to do with what he is saying and as someone who is actually in the industry, I'd be more inclined to listen to what he says other than people in this thread literally telling a man to shut the fuck up. Embarrassing, the lot of you.

I'm not salty at all. I agree with the fact that launching in two territories on two days when two giant new consoles are launching is borderline suicide for a game lauded as the system seller of a flailing console. It's just humorous when the last game someone worked on is for a mostly dead system in probably a worse situation than the Wii U and from a now-dead developer and then they turn around and call into question someone else's marketing and system.

I own a Vita, a Wii U, and SM3DW and I think Nintendo is fucking up hardcore with their strategies. But people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Originally Posted by Ludicrous Speed

And like I said before, just because this guy is a developer doesn't mean he knows shit about the industry. He is plugging away with code all day, that's it.

So a man in the gaming industry and a developer doesn't know anything about the industry he works in?

Originally Posted by Derrick01

If the majority of the thread is making the argument that he's not fit to comment because he worked on a bad game, where does that leave most of the people in this thread who haven't worked on any games? Or on the whole forum for that matter? It works both ways guys that's why it's best to not resort to that kind of stuff because he said something that makes you feel uncomfortable.

Real talk.

Originally Posted by Derrick01

If the majority of the thread is making the argument that he's not fit to comment because he worked on a bad game, where does that leave most of the people in this thread who haven't worked on any games? Or on the whole forum for that matter? It works both ways guys that's why it's best to not resort to that kind of stuff because he said something that makes you feel uncomfortable.

What makes me uncomfortable is that his comment is being cited as if it's better than any NeoGAF post.

Let's not discredit him, but let's also not overvalue him either. Based on his credentials he's only slightly more of an expert than you or I.

Wii U will still be here next Christmas and Nintendo will prop it up as long as it needs to, I'd agree it was a very bad time to release Mario 3D though.

Originally Posted by Gonzo The Great

It sold well enough to be profitable. People need to stop being so fixated on the number of units sold versus actual profit. But if the Wii U truly is being sold at a loss like they claim, then Nintendo is fucked.

I think that's the main problem. If Wii U was selling at a profit from day one (like the Wii), people wouldn't be freaking out as much.

At least, I think people wouldn't be freaking out as much.

Originally Posted by Plinko

I'm seriously beginning to wonder if we ever see Zelda on Wii U.

It'll be their big holiday 2015 game to close out the life of the Wii U.

If I was NoA, I would try and look into why much of the western gaming community wants my head.

Originally Posted by Riki

Sounds like this "dev" is being a bitter fanboy.

Fanboy of what? Sonic?

Originally Posted by Maidenpool?

Where is the obligatory blackboard post???

Yeah time to strike through the "good PR from the Little Deviants dev" point.

Ice cold.

Linder has since removed a big portion of his NeoGAF post, but Nintendo Life managed to copy-paste it before then.

Please understand.

Originally Posted by Ludicrous Speed

Exactly. They just released a 3d Mario at the peak of peak in the shopping season and it doesn't look like that has helped much. Two more marque games won't help much more either

Not your average Mario game, but one of the most highly rated games of the year. Top 5 2013, and for a lot of people game of the year.

Originally Posted by PhoReal

Some crappy Vita launch game.

On topic, he's just talking about the UK right? There is no way the Wii U is not on shelves for the holidays next year in the US.

US stores still sell the Vita so... yeah I'm pretty sure it's there next year too.

3D World has been selling great where I live, and the Wii U has plenty of shelf space. The idea that it won't make it to another Christmas is just silly. Even the Vita is still on shelves after almost 2 years. As long as there is a Nintendo section in any big retailer (which there will be because of 3DS) then there will be some Wii U stuff.

Originally Posted by Sneds

The Cube also flopped.

Compared to the WiiU it was a success and this kind of level is everything Nintendo can hope for right now 20-25 million is the area.

Originally Posted by Sneds

Fanboy of what? Sonic?

He made a really horrible PSV game, so I'd say Sony.

Originally Posted by Nibel

By the way: the whole whining about "it doesn't matter what game he worked on, you guys on the first page are embarrassing >:(" comes off as so annoyingly artificial, especially since this is NeoGAF where jabs and funny responses are enjoyed

Relax guys, it's just little bit fun in here

especially considering certain people saying that spend 99% of their time on GAF dumping on game after game after game in an unironic, tongue-firmly-out-of-cheek manner

just saying