In the early presentation, the underlying distro was not accessible the only way to install software is over the steam service....... I'm interested to see if that changes or if they think that's an ok idea in the long run. As long as the improvements of drviers etc. trickel down (which they will if they joined the foundation) I will just use some distro with steam installed, provided I even ditch windows in the future....SteamOS (not Steam) is an open platform, in the same way other Linux distros, along with Windows and OSX, are open platforms. That is to say, they are platforms that anyone can make and release software for, and they are platforms on which you are free to install anything you like.
It's nothing to do with "needing a key". That is a completely different issue relating to copy protection for individual pieces of software. But yes, you will be free to download game_install.xxx from wherever you like and install it in SteamOS provided it is a Linux binary.
SteamOS (not Steam) is also open source. This is a different thing again to 'open platform'.
Fairly meaningless in practice.
Hmm, I recently swapped motherboards and didn't have any hassles with Win7. I didn't even reformat my OS. I think it asked me to re-authenticate my Windows copy over the internet but that's it.Originally Posted by HolyBaikal
Windows is nice but I rather don't like some of their policies. The money of spending $100 on another operating system every time I build a new computer with a new motherboard. You can work through the DRM of Windows to remove a copy of Windows on one motherboard, and move it to another. But it can be a hassle.
Someone on GAF already posted an image found by users showing a tick box in the options of SteamOS to access the linux desktop. Can't find it though :/In the early presentation, the underlying distro was not accessible the only way to install software is over the steam service....... I'm interested to see if that changes or if they think that's an ok idea in the long run. As long as the improvements of drviers etc. trickel down (which they will if they joined the foundation) I will just use some distro with steam installed, provided I even ditch windows in the future....
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthre...hlight=steamosSomeone on GAF already posted an image found by users showing a tick box in the options of SteamOS to access the linux desktop. Can't find it though :/
but yeah the coverages of SteamOS have been a tad conflicting. According to Engadget the only thing you see, can interact with is BPM, Seattle Times said you can access the underlying parts and we have the above link.
I doubt this steambox will be successful at all.
Hmm, I recently swapped motherboards and didn't have any hassles with Win7. I didn't even reformat my OS. I think it asked me to re-authenticate my Windows copy over the internet but that's it.
Someone on GAF already posted an image found by users showing a tick box in the options of SteamOS to access the linux desktop. Can't find it though :/
Thanks for the information, if the option is in the beta I'm assuming it will be in the final product, this at least should make it easy to install decent media software. I hope that after CES everything will be pretty clear and we don't just get some PR stuff and hardware announcements.Originally Posted by ashecitism
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthre...hlight=steamos
but yeah the coverages of SteamOS have been a tad conflicting. According to Engadget the only thing you see, can interact with is BPM, Seattle Times said you can access the underlying parts and we have the above link.
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The Windows domination is very strong in PC world. Since Steam OS won't work with every game out there from the get go, I doubt this will make any impact at all. Only the most hardcore fanbase will migrate (and the Linux users, maybe).Originally Posted by sofiabudapest
Why?
Me? I won't be using it at all. PC + Steam + Big Picture Mode + TV is everything I need.
Seeing how Windows seems to be doubling down on Metro and mobile, I have high hopes for this SteamOS.
Any antihacking or drm measure that relies on the source code being obscured is inherently not secure.Nice, if it is actually everything open source, then I cannot wait for a modify SteamOS allowing wallhack or aimbot on the fly, etc. Just kidding, I don't even care about MP gaming.
SteamOS and Steam Machines are not intended to be big sellers immediately.The Windows domination is very strong in PC world. Since Steam OS won't work with every game out there from the get go, I doubt this will make any impact at all. Only the most hardcore fanbase will migrate (and the Linux users, maybe).
Me? I won't be using it at all. PC + Steam + Big Picture Mode + TV is everything I need.
I don't think they are going to be gaining massive amounts of users till maybe two years down the line, as the library expands and I assume older games get ported over, as well as major changes in the feature set of the OS itself in a similar way to steams developmentAs for Valve’s ambitions for the future of hardware, Coomer explained that the team isn’t necessarily looking to win over casual gamers who don’t own a PC, but instead is catering to Steam users first.
“The focus of most of this work has really been on bringing value to Steam customers,” he said. “Even if we’re only serving a fraction of them, we feel like we’ll be very successful if that fraction is having a great experience in the living room. That number will probably grow over time. We’re not even trying to push our existing users toward the living room or the TV if they don’t want to have that experience. All those customers are currently pretty happy doing what they’re doing in the den with their PCs or laptops. This is just an extra avenue for them, if they want to sit on the sofa like a lot of them do, I think. Then it’s great to have this other option through which you can access Steam. It’s not an attempt to go very far, or really at all at first, beyond our initiated customer base. We’re going to learn a bunch from the people who already value Steam really highly. We don’t feel like we have to jump exponentially outside that group just to be successful in that realm.”
“Usually, when a platform like this gets brought out, it’s a very different working method and proposition to customers,” he continued. “It looks more like a team that’s much larger than us has worked at perfecting something and finishing it, and then reducing risk as much possible and locking down that design, making it ready for a massive initial manufacturing push, spending billions of dollars on marketing. Very different from what we’re trying to do. We don’t have to be so risk-averse. We intentionally are operating this way because we think it will result in a much better product, in the short term and the long term, to be public about this, and to have it iterated with us and with partners and with users. But it lets us start small and grow over time.”
As someone who has always used Windows only because of video games, a future of Linux being a major gaming platform makes me salivate. It still seems far off however.
Whether it's a success or failure, it won't have anything to do with Windows. The people who will potentially make it a success won't know or give a shit that it's running Linux or not, they'll only see the Steam front-end.The Windows domination is very strong in PC world. Since Steam OS won't work with every game out there from the get go, I doubt this will make any impact at all. Only the most hardcore fanbase will migrate (and the Linux users, maybe).
Me? I won't be using it at all. PC + Steam + Big Picture Mode + TV is everything I need.
Yeah, especially since they require you to have a Windows machine if you want to continue playing the majority of your library for the time being.Originally Posted by Bl4ckSunsh1n3
As someone who has always used Windows only because of video games, a future of Linux being a major gaming platform makes me salivate. It still seems far off however.
It all depends on how they can execute the compatibility layer and how many devs they can coax to make Linux ports of their new games.
The Windows domination is very strong in PC world. Since Steam OS won't work with every game out there from the get go, I doubt this will make any impact at all. Only the most hardcore fanbase will migrate (and the Linux users, maybe).
Me? I won't be using it at all. PC + Steam + Big Picture Mode + TV is everything I need.
Yes, Steam took also some years to become what it is now. We will see what happens in the future and how Linux based gaming develops & what the advantages of the Steambox in comparsion with a common desktop PC are. I can imagine that the different approaches (SteamBox, SteamOS, GabePad, OR, Streaming) address to various interests of the gaming community - hence heaps of people will join/or use Valves new products due to different needs.SteamOS and Steam Machines are not intended to be big sellers immediately.
I don't think they are going to be gaining massive amounts of users till maybe two years down the line, as the library expands and I assume older games get ported over, as well as major changes in the feature set of the OS itself in a similar way to steams development
Give it 4 to 5 years. It's clear there's a large amount of gamers who don't care about backwards compatibility as long as the machine has the new games, and Steam OS will have backwards compatibility going forward. In a couple of years the Steam boxes offered will have considerably better graphics than the consoles, with the convenience of a console. They'll have a nice library of the new games. At that point they will begin making a lot of sense.
Wat?Originally Posted by HolyBaikal
The Power architecture and most mobile CPUs are running on RISC architecture.
While PC operating systems like Windows or Ubuntu or Mint or Gentoo are programmed for CISC architectures.
http://www.ubuntu.com/download/arm
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As a guy who support Linux systems for a living, I am so looking forward to this.
Funny how they broke Steam under Wine today with an update.
(It will apparently work again with the next Wine update on friday)
(It will apparently work again with the next Wine update on friday)
Valve's support is the best thing that could have happened to Linux. It will at last give the OS a fighting chance in the gaming space.
Linux has been elsewhere, given that it holds something like 80% of the smartphone market, and every server (310 of them) that I run but 2 run Linux as their operating system.Originally Posted by alexandros
Valve's support is the best thing that could have happened to Linux. It will at last give the OS a fighting chance in the gaming space.
Google and Amazon pave over entire datacenters with Linux boxes.
This is just one more space that it will finally be in the right place to dominate.
Fair enough :-) Go penguins!Originally Posted by Grampa Simpson
Linux has been elsewhere, given that it holds something like 80% of the smartphone market, and every server (310 of them) that I run but 2 run Linux as their operating system.
Google and Amazon pave over entire datacenters with Linux boxes.
This is just one more space that it will finally be in the right place to dominate.
I agree, Valve has been one of the biggest contributors to the Linux gaming scene (and Linux in general) since Ryan "Icculus" Gordon. It's a nice gesture from Valve to show their support by joining the Linux Foundation, but yeah, it doesn't really mean much in the long run.Originally Posted by angular graphics
Joining the Foundation, I agree.
Their efforts to "to contribute tools for developers building new experiences on Linux, compel hardware manufacturers to prioritise support for Linux" though aren't ;)
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