I can't help but thinking that part of the issue is that it's effectively a third home console platform (Well, second in Japan, but the PS4 isn't far off) running concurrently. I'm not going to flag it as marketplace confusion, but is there a bit of marketplace saturation with "Playstation products you can plug into a telly"?Must admit, I'm surprised that the Vita TV's held on so poorly even with a bad start. I had thought that the price alone would keep them moving, even if tech-heads don't care. I guess it would have to have something more interesting to the casual gamer first.
I thought it was guaranteed too myself, but I might've been wrong. We'll see what happens over Xmas. 3DS would need one more game to push it over the top now to counter AC:NL. Maybe P&D could be it, maybe not.Originally Posted by test_account
I was wondering the same thing. Unless i remember completely wrong, wasnt the 3DS "guaranteed" to outsell last year's YTD because of Pokémon and Monster Hunter 4?
I think a lot of people (possibly myself included) thought that would be the case but now it is looking less and less likely. Those two games have done phenomenally well and have driven hardware sales. But I guess it's not going to be enough.Originally Posted by test_account
I was wondering the same thing. Unless i remember completely wrong, wasnt the 3DS "guaranteed" to outsell last year's YTD because of Pokémon and Monster Hunter 4?
It may say something about the portable market that at a time when the 3ds should be hitting its stride, its not even going to be up YoY.
Based on what the Verge had to say about the Vita TV's UI, it also sounds like the Vita TV is just an awkward device to use. Game compatibility sounds worse than I'd originally thought too.Originally Posted by Green Slime
The problem is that it's not a handheld. Japan is Handheld Land. Simple as that.
COD barely had any decline and BF4 had a small one.PS4 holdouts.
unless there is severe franchise decline.
I'm afraid the next-gen excuse made sense in the West, but not really in Japan.
Not 800k (because of downloads, as others have said), but the 4 million announcement obviously includes a big shipment for the holidays.Originally Posted by ohbabyitsken
So there's 800k unsold copies of MH4 sitting at retailers? Seems quite a lot.
Perhaps this is the reason.Originally Posted by chadboban
What? How in the world did Wii U sales go up this week with no new releases? Also the Vita TV's sales went down WAY faster than I expected. Well here's hoping that it does better in the west should it be released here.
Correct. It's also why Wii Party U sales are much larger for Famitsu than they are for Media Create.Does Famitsu count bundle sales for software and mc does not? Or why is NSMBU f.e. in the Famitsu Top 10 but not in the MC Top 20?
Personally I disagree. I think the death slump is over. Dont get me wrong, not saying its going to sell great, etc but I think its a hit a tipping point where it will at least generate mediocre sales with bump's here and there for various release. Potential breakouts at some points are also possible. I think this is going to apply to the US as well.Originally Posted by cyberheater
I think WiiU will hover near the 30k mark for a couple of weeks then drop like a stone.
Indeed. I'm not really sure why Sony wasted the resources on such an odd device.Originally Posted by chrominance
Based on what the Verge had to say about the Vita TV's UI, it also sounds like the Vita TV is just an awkward device to use. Game compatibility sounds worse than I'd originally thought too.
It had the biggest increase inside Famitsu top 30, on the contrary Disney Infinity: Starter Pack didn't have the same luck.
Puzzle and DragonsOriginally Posted by watershed
I'm curious if the 3ds can match or beat last year's YTD total thru the rest of the year. Right now its 160k behind which seems like too big a gap to fill. Does it have any major releases in Japan left for an extra holiday boost?
but last year 3DS had insane december
I agree. Europe is a lost cause, though, barring some surprise mega hit game, ala Wii Sports.Personally I disagree. I think the death slump is over. Dont get me wrong, not saying its going to sell great, etc but I think its a hit a tipping point where it will at least generate mediocre sales with bump's here and there for various release. Potential breakouts at some points are also possible. I think this is going to apply to the US as well.
...A PS4 THIRD PARTY ANNOUNCEMENT!!! FINALLY!!!
Inazuma Go (dont know what version): 12/5Originally Posted by watershed
I'm curious if the 3ds can match or beat last year's YTD total thru the rest of the year. Right now its 160k behind which seems like too big a gap to fill. Does it have any major releases in Japan left for an extra holiday boost?
Braverly Default For the Sequel: 12/5
Puzzle & Dragons: 12/12
Zelda : 12/25
http://gematsu.com/2013/12/nobunagas...-playstation-4
...A PS4 THIRD PARTY ANNOUNCEMENT!!! FINALLY!!!
Well, it's better than nothing.The game, already launched for PlayStation 3, PlayStation 2, and PC, will launch in Japan on March 19.
And what does it say? DS wasn't up YOY in 2007 compared to 2006 and it didn't matter because sales were still phenomenal. This is the same case here, but to a lesser extent. I mean when you look at what was also on offer last year then it makes sense. The longer a system that sells as well as DS/3DS are in the market the less likely titles are going to push units to the same extent as the install base grows.Originally Posted by watershed
I think a lot of people (possibly myself included) thought that would be the case but now it is looking less and less likely. Those two games have done phenomenally well and have driven hardware sales. But I guess it's not going to be enough.
It may say something about the portable market that at a time when the 3ds should be hitting its stride, its not even going to be up YoY.
The only people in Japan I can see buying Vita TV..are people who already own Vita's and want to play the games on tv as well. I don't honestly think it's expanding the Vita userbase at all (hence why I don't think its sales should really be combined with the Vita).Must admit, I'm surprised that the Vita TV's held on so poorly even with a bad start. I had thought that the price alone would keep them moving, even if tech-heads don't care. I guess it would have to have something more interesting to the casual gamer first.
I mean, at this rate it will be like every people with at least a very little interest with gaming will own 3DS.
It will never hit DS because it was also owned by ppl who doesn't give a shit about gaming.
(To reach DS numbers you must reach to those audience).
It has been hanging around the charts for a long long time so it's to be expected.30./28. [3DS] Disney Magic Castle: My Happy Life # <ETC> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.08.01} (Ą5.480) - 6.897 / 324.959 <80-100%> (+40%)
It had the biggest increase inside Famitsu top 30, on the contrary Disney Infinity: Starter Pack didn't have the same luck.
Originally Posted by Magicpaint
Last year also had the 3DS LL and NSMB2 combo + Animal Crossing right in the holidays. There was never any guarantee. I mean certain people thought so, but I always argued that people were not paying enough attention to the Animal Crossing effect.
Originally Posted by FreedomFighter
I thought it was guaranteed too myself, but I might've been wrong. We'll see what happens over Xmas. 3DS would need one more game to push it over the top now to counter AC:NL. Maybe P&D could be it, maybe not.
Thanks for the answers :) Nothing wrong with predictions not turning out like first thought, i just thought it was interesting to see how things turned out. Pokémon and Monster Hunter 4 are huge games afterall, so it wasnt that far fetched. Its still a few weeks left, so who knows what will happen =) But regardless, this years YTD for the 3DS wont be that far off last year's YTD, so it has held up quite strong.Originally Posted by watershed
I think a lot of people (possibly myself included) thought that would be the case but now it is looking less and less likely. Those two games have done phenomenally well and have driven hardware sales. But I guess it's not going to be enough.
It may say something about the portable market that at a time when the 3ds should be hitting its stride, its not even going to be up YoY.
Maybe Sony executives drank too much. Instead of putting those resources on development games for Vita , they turn handheld to console. It'll be just collector item like PSPGo I hope,Originally Posted by Green Slime
Indeed. I'm not really sure why Sony wasted the resources on such an odd device.
Yeah, the money should have definitely gone into first party Vita game development, an area that Sony is really lacking in in terms of quantity.Maybe Sony executives drank too much. instead of putting those resources for Vita games, instead they turn handheld to console. It'll be just collector item like PSPGo I hope,
At 4Gamer's Vita TV teardown it is revealed that what's inside Vita TV is OG Vita, not Vita 2000. So it's not really "wasted" resource or anything. It's more like a quickly assembled device with parts left at the warehouse.Originally Posted by Green Slime
Indeed. I'm not really sure why Sony wasted the resources on such an odd device.
For Famitsu MH4 sit currently at 3.15M that include retail copies and download cards.Originally Posted by ohbabyitsken
I already included downloads based on those Famitsu numbers in the previous thread.
It still miss the units downloaded directly through eshop.
That thing was always meant for the west and never had a chance in Japan. I said it once and I'll say it again, Sony was just throwing Japan a bone bone for being a overall non factor when it comes to ps4.That unexpected Wii U bump
Time to say good night to Vita TV, who could possibly believe this concept would work out in Japan of all places?
Maybe it'll find some love in the west, but idk.
First week:How's Project Mirai 2's sales compared to other Miku titles?
[PSP] Project Diva - 101,486
[PSP] Project Diva 2nd - 242,717
[PSP] Project Diva Extend - 189,196
[PSV] Project Diva f - 158,009
[PS3] Project Diva F - 113,722
[3DS] Project Mirai - 88,737
[3DS] Project Mirai 2 - 84,676
Even the Wii U rose! Poor Vita.
Good stuff all around.
It still cost time, money, and energy to develop and manufacture.At 4Gamer's Vita TV teardown it is revealed that what's inside Vita TV is OG Vita, not Vita 2000. So it's not really "wasted" resource or anything. It's more like a quickly assembled device with parts left at the warehouse.
Aw yeah, I forgot that Japan hasn't got the newest Zelda game yet. Too bad its not releasing earlier in December but it should provide a good boost none the less.Inazuma Go (dont know what version): 12/5
Braverly Default For the Sequel: 12/5
Puzzle & Dragons: 12/12
Zelda : 12/25
The 3ds is already selling below the ds if you compare them directly. Then factor in the 3ds likely being down YoY, then the fact that the 3ds has already seen a release in just about every major Nintendo IP, then that nearly all their former blue ocean hits have performed far worse on the 3ds than they did on the 3ds; it all suggests that while the 3ds is currently the king in Japan the market has shrunk and the 3ds is suffering the effects of that.Originally Posted by Magicpaint
And what does it say? DS wasn't up YOY in 2007 compared to 2006 and it didn't matter because sales were still phenomenal. This is the same case here, but to a lesser extent. I mean when you look at what was also on offer last year then it makes sense. The longer a system that sells as well as DS/3DS are in the market the less likely titles are going to push units to the same extent as the install base grows.
4 million - 3145292 (retail) - 256203 (download) = 600k.Originally Posted by ohbabyitsken
I already included downloads based on those Famitsu numbers in the previous thread.
As I said, not 800k. =P
(And it's slightly less than 600k, because the download numbers are missing that last 5 weeks.)
Edit: ^there you go.
Soul Sacrifice Delta, Soul Sacrifice 2, Freedom Wars... I don't think Sony's skimping on bringing games to the system. It's actually really surprising considering how the system was doing when they were announced. They'd be better off targeting some of their weak points to expand the audience of their system, but that's not the same as doing to little.Maybe Sony executives drank too much. instead of putting those resources for Vita games, instead they turn handheld to console. It'll be just collector item like PSPGo I hope,
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