Hard to estimate, because events pay out different numbers of credits, and there are restrictions as to what vehicles can be used in which events...Has anyone calculated how much it would take in hours or cash to buy every car yet?
What practices? Allowing options? The progression is EXACTLY the same as the previous game. The previous game that had no MT's.Originally Posted by noobasuar
I love how this has to turn into a GT vs Forza contest. This is why these practices will continue to happen, because you fucks can't stop cheerleading for your favorite company for even two seconds.
Pathetic.
This. the MT's in GT6 are handled fine but the pricing of them is simply ridiculous. It should be half that price. 20 million cars where extremely hard to get in GT5. You were lucky to have one so it does deserve a steep price but not that far.Originally Posted by Killing_Joke
Microtransactions without fucking with gameplay is fine. Stupid but fine. But there is no defending these ridiculous prices. 119 for a virtual car, In what world does that make any sense?
With IFs, you could put Paris in a bottle.IF the normal progression of the game is the same, and if that is comprable to what the highest priced cars in previous games cost, I have no issue with this.
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Huh? So you want all the cars from the beginning? I mean, that's just not Gran Turismo at all.I've been playing GT since GT1. I've logged over 1k hours in GT5. If "morale" is your thing or you want to stand out from the rest of the crowd of people that "purchased" their way to the top, then ask PD to put an asterisk next to the people who bought cars with real money. I'm no longer in highscool where I have an unlimited supply of hours to pour into the game. I shouldn't even be charged extra for the content I've already bought.
The prices of the cars in-game, or the real money prices for credits? If you're talking about the former, those haven't really changed. Were you upset about them when GT5 released?You're already breaking the progression when you pay. There's no way to justify the prices man.
You done good PD.Eurogamer's Martin Robinson has been playing the game and tells me GT6's economy works exactly the same as GT5's, with progression, payouts and car prices very similar.
This. Its shitty no matter what game includes it or how. Full Stop.Originally Posted by noobasuar
I love how this has to turn into a GT vs Forza contest. This is why these practices will continue to happen, because you fucks can't stop cheerleading for your favorite company for even two seconds.
Pathetic.
I see your trying to be clever but I should point this out. You can't buy a XJ13 in real life. Only 1 was ever made and the owners declined on bidding.Originally Posted by REMEMBER CITADEL
£120 may seem like much for a single car, but you have to remember that a real Jaguar XJ13 would cost you quite a bit more.
That seems to be a norm in every sim thread. Lots of people, making assumptions, riding off of others comments, blowing things out of proportion...and never intending to buy or play the game.They wouldn't buy the game in the first place.
I don't want people to have the option though. Fuck that. You should earn things within the game the same way as everyone else has too. At most at cheat codes if you want.Originally Posted by phosphor112
What practices? Allowing options? The progression is EXACTLY the same as the previous game. The previous game that had no MT's.
What a stupid comment. Are you implying any game with DLC that bypasses some of the grind has terrible gameplay?Says all that need to be said about the quality of the gameplay.
Who give a shit if that Ferrari you're racing against was bought with in-game credits or cash? If they suck, they still will suck. I honestly don't care what others do with their time or money if it's not actual cheating (their Ferrari is faster than mine because of payments or something).If it is competitive then why allow players to buy their way to the top?
Heh, "earn things". It's a fucking game. I'll play it how I want. How does that affect you? Do you feel 'cool' because you have a car that others don't? Is your enjoyment of a game based on how much time I spend with mine? I'm sorry.Originally Posted by noobasuar
I don't want people to have the option though. Fuck that. You should earn things within the game the same way as everyone else has too. At most at cheat codes if you want.
And it will only get worse and worse the more this stuff is accepted. In 10 years people won't even remember what a cheat code was.
In theory, because you would have to be online in order to even see these microtransactions, wouldn't your save be automatically uploaded to the cloud?So what happens when you uninstall the game and lose your save? I'm betting you lose everything that you've paid for. People have to be really stupid to buy these macro transactions whatever they are. Maybe these saves will become like some precious commodity, worth thousands of dollars.
Its not good at all. I dont like the grind in GT games, why make it so hard to get the cars when there are so many of them? The macro transactions just make the starkness of the grind more apparent. It makes me feel I'm stupid because I cant afford these transactions and have to grind whereas some rich guy can drive any car he wants.
How did they decide these massive prices? A couple of pounds for each car would be way more reasonable tied to your psn account but even so its ridiculous and bad for gaming.
Exactly my point. I have no interest in playing career mode because of the long boring grind. It was "ok" before online multiplayer, but now it's a chore. I'd just like to have access to all the cars, hop online and race. Instead I'm forced to sit through career mode to gain access to good cars, which inclines me to pay to in order to fast forward this daunting process, since that's the only option available.Originally Posted by maniac-kun
How about they change the career mode so that it dosnt need grind.
Can't say that I even slightly care about this, I just want to raceOriginally Posted by TangoAlphaLima
Huh? So you want all the cars from the beginning? I mean, that's just not Gran Turismo at all.
The prices of the cars in-game, or the real money prices for credits? If you're talking about the former, those haven't really changed. Were you upset about them when GT5 released?
As Bish said, the whole "Oh, you have to leave the game to buy credits!" is really splitting hairs. It's also likely more a symptom of the system that it's on as, at least in my experience with it, the PS3 doesn't support in-app microtransactions of any kind.Originally Posted by commedieu
This needs to just be posted on every page folks.
Forza Guys, I know you're mostly fumbling over yourselves to have a "GOTCHA" moment... but, read the above. Over and over again.......unless you're excited that GT has microtransactions... vs an entire game being designed around them?
It's still the same thing, but one is artificially limited (conveniently enough) by money.Originally Posted by Seanspeed
Yes, people can pay money. But that's not the same as just inputting a button combination to get the most desirable cars. Surely you can see how that's relevant in a game with competitive multiplayer?
.With IFs, you could put Paris in a bottle.
Microtransactions are a wonderful thing that has been horrifically abused in videogames and there is potential for further abuse attempts.
The rationale for them is always that some people are busy millionaires who don't give a fuck about spending a few hundred bucks on things that used to be free with cheatcodes.
The truth is this stuff will be purchased by low and middle class people with poor math and reasoning skills who could've used some cheat-codes and used the money for other, more deserving goods and services.
Here is what microtransactions should be like:
Pay $20 to upgrade version of Madden/Fifa 2013 to 2014 or my version of Street Fighter 4 from SSF4: AE to Ultra SF4 (the latter one is happening, by the way).
Microtransactions for map packs, season passes, premium digital accessories, etc. are all bad values and anti-consumer behavior. If you want to make more money off a game, that is what merchandise is for: posters, figurines, maps, books, art, signed crap, etc. etc.
None of those are PART of the game. The game should be pure and complete, unmarred by greed and requiring no further installs (even excessive free patches are an indication of a rushed game).
I'm not sure about the firsst question, but the answer to the second question is no. The game never even tells you that microtransactions exist. The only way you find them is to go to your local retailer and find a card or go into the PSN store to purchase them. They aren't actually built into the game.Is PD placing DLC cars in dealerships?
Are they pushing MTA on you frequently during gameplay?
for me it's the fact that this practice is likely to become more common in other games rather than how it's implemented in GT6People seem to act like the microtransations are some dark cloud looming over their heads, preventing them from enjoying the game. It's beyond silly.
It was common to win 1.2m in seasonal races. Races that lasted 6 minutes MAYBE at most.Originally Posted by oconnomiyaki
As Bish said, the whole "Oh, you have to leave the game to buy credits!" is really splitting hairs. It's also likely more a symptom of the system that it's on as, at least in my experience with it, the PS3 doesn't support in-app microtransactions of any kind.
Additionally, you can obtain cars just fine in Forza. It has it's fair share of problems, but this isn't one of them. Especially as your Drivatar (ugh) is earning you credits when you're not even playing. I certainly haven't been directed towards a store or felt compelled to use real money.
I'm in the camp that says "This is only an issue if you make it," with a little bit of "And both games end up a terrible grind anyway." (That's based on assurances that GT6 operates just like GT5, which was a horrible grind after like an hour.) But I also don't like seeing the hypocrisy and the hair-splitting to make a point of defending Sony doing it.
This is a lump. Just take it.
Isn't cloud saves only available on PSN? Even so there's things that can happen to that, they can lose it, or you could overwrite it.In theory, because you would have to be online in order to even see these microtransactions, wouldn't your save be automatically uploaded to the cloud?
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