There will still be lots of great games not designed by MBAs employed by giant corporations. Heck, I have three fantastic newish games on the go right now.Originally Posted by Delusibeta
So, you're boycotting anything that has a timesaver DLC (i.e. pretty much every AAA game in the last three years, and pretty much all retail games going forward)?
While I'm leaning towards believing them, taking into account the gtplanet feedback about the economy being the same, isn't this the standard response towards microtransactions?
No.Originally Posted by Delusibeta
So, you're boycotting anything that has a timesaver DLC (i.e. pretty much every AAA game in the last three years, and pretty much all retail games going forward)?
Yup as far as MT goes its a good model.GT6 does MT in a way that can be totally ignored with no impact on the game at all. This model needs to be encouraged. What they gave consumers is freedom. Play as usual or skip ahead at a cost if you like. This is good.
I'm assuming you spend in-game credits to get the DLC cars, but you still don't have to spend real money on them. As for the brand/game being damaged, that's pretty subjective. I was merely commenting on the actual game content itself, which is unchanged.Originally Posted by IISANDERII
Is it free DLC? Or will you still need to purchase it in game? If it's the latter, then it's not quite free.
And yes the game and brand is damaged by this. The court of public opinion judges harshly the game that offers you a chargeable service to allow you to not play it.
Originally Posted by IISANDERII
Is it free DLC? Or will you still need to purchase it in game? If it's the latter, then it's not quite free.
And yes the game and brand is damaged by this. The court of public opinion judges harshly the game that offers you a chargeable service to allow you to not play it.
GT5 had a thread titled "We love DLC" and it wasn't even ironic ;POriginally Posted by PuppetMaster
GT5 had so much free DLC! It was kind of crazy. All those extra cars and features in free spec updates.
If anything PD has been extremely generous to its fans. That is why actual GT fans don't care about MT.
Actual GT fans, what are you babbling about? GT fans like myself have enjoyed the series for years, what were concerned with is charging for silly things like in game currency by making the progress slow and tedious for those who don't want to pay. Some free to play games do this as do many IOS games. We are also worried about what may lie ahead for micro transactions.Originally Posted by PuppetMaster
GT5 had so much free DLC! It was kind of crazy. All those extra cars and features in free spec updates.
If anything PD has been extremely generous to its fans. That is why actual GT fans don't care about MT.
Then surely we can expect all Forza players to hit a wall, cave in and start paying to progress sometime soon?Originally Posted by NullPointer
When I look at GT6 and Forza 5 I see the same disease but with Forza having a much more advanced stage of development. They both have the bad kind of microtransactions, but one has evolved its structure to encourage more expenditures at higher prices. GT6 is just getting started.
The natural challenge and progression in this case are unchanged. The paywall is an option for those who wish to remove it by paying.Originally Posted by NullPointer
I do care when a game turns its challenge/progression into a paywall, because that challenge and progression turns into... a paywall.
In this case Polyphony is doing a service for those that want to enjoy the game in its natural planned progression and for those that, for any reason, chose to bypass it.Originally Posted by NullPointer
When you both set the bar for advancement and the rate of reward AND sell a convenience product to bypass that bar you're not really doing anybody a service.
I'm not. I'm against microtransactions for access to the basic game content on disk, and for advancement.I understand that considering what happened with DLC in the last generation some might me wary over the widespread of microtransactions but we need to be able to understand that there are different models of DLC as there are and will be even more different models of MT. If you're against MT on principle alone though, that's your prerogative.
People are saying its the same or its easier, but aren't there new costs too, like with all the new upgrades? Do you pay to repair damage? I guess we'll be able to get more details soon enough once people start snapping screens.Originally Posted by Prophane33
Wow, so much misinformation in this thread. AFAIK they made it even EASIER to earn credits in the game. Absolutely nothing is being locked away from the player/made harder to earn. Also, unlike Forza 5 there is nowhere in game where you can directly buy credits/asked to buy credits. It's an option for lazy people, nothing that has changed the game in any way shape or form. Believe me if they were making you pay money for a specific car or changed the economy in any way shape or form for the worse I'd cancel my pre-order, as it is they haven't changed anything. They just added an option for lazy people. There are NO microtransactions in Gran Turismo 6. It is merely an option on the PS store to buy credits for use within the game.
Can't talk for everyone but I don't support and I won't be supporting this the same way as I never supported season passes, online passes or day one DLC, this by not buying them. As long as video game companies keep giving me the option to play the game without resorting to their MT scheme I'll keep buying and enjoying their games. As soon as MT start creeping over the game design giving competitive advantages for MT buying users over non-buying users, then I'll react accordingly.This is like Stockholm Syndrome the thread. It's amazing how the gaming industry has trained it's customers into been chumps. I see no difference between the housewife playing skinnerboxes on facebook and iphone to core gamers who support this shit.
Ah well atleast we have indie games, hopefully they'll remain a oasis from this shit, if not I'll just retrogame.
A lot of people actually have the game, mainly in Europe.Originally Posted by NullPointer
I'm not. I'm against microtransactions for access to the basic game content on disk, and for advancement.
Give me new content and we can talk ;P
I've bought car DLC and track DLC and visual customizations and expansions. I'm all for that stuff. Hell, give me more Splinter Cell Conviction missions too while we're at it.
And where's that Killzone Shadowfall horde mode already?
People are saying its the same or its easier, but aren't there new costs too, like with all the new upgrades? Do you pay to repair damage? I guess we'll be able to get more details soon enough once people start snapping screens.
Or is there a real comparison out there thats more than gut feelings?
There are a number of people on the gtplanet forums who got ahold of the game early who have gotten into specifics, as well as several others on there (and a couple journalists) who have just quickly addressed it, but everyone who has been hands-on with the game has said that you earn credits through play at about the same speed as in Gt5, if not quicker. That's current GT5, which doles out credits more liberally than launch Gt5 did.Originally Posted by NullPointer
People are saying its the same or its easier, but aren't there new costs too, like with all the new upgrades? Do you pay to repair damage? I guess we'll be able to get more details soon enough once people start snapping screens.
Or is there a real comparison out there thats more than gut feelings?
Don't worry, when I voiced my concerns I was told I'd probably never played a GT game before. Apparently real GT fans don't criticize they just take it while smiling.Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre
Actual GT fans, what are you babbling about? GT fans like myself have enjoyed the series for years, what were concerned with is charging for silly things like in game currency by making the progress slow and tedious for those who don't want to pay. Some free to play games do this as do many IOS games. We are also worried about what may lie ahead for micro transactions.
Originally Posted by Nafai1123
This argument would be more valid if Gran Turismo ever had cheat codes.
I mostly played fighting games on consoles back then, and they featured stuff like this:Originally Posted by flyinpiranha
Back in the day you had to call a payline or buy an an additional device, or the game did not have cheats at all.
How is it Stockholm Syndrome if the inclusion of MT's hasn't changed a single aspect about the base game?This is like Stockholm Syndrome the thread. It's amazing how the gaming industry has trained it's customers into chumps and lose perspective by changing thing slowly on a slippery slope. I see no difference between the housewife playing skinnerboxes on facebook and iphone to core gamers who support this shit.
Ah well atleast we have indie games, hopefully they'll remain a oasis from this shit.
LoL isn't $60Maybe I'm a bit of a defeatist but I find it pretty amazing that some of you think that you have some sort of control about the future of microtransactions, I think its pretty obvious the ship sailed a few years ago. League of Legends is the most played game on the planet right now. It doesn't take many whales to justify it.
Yeah but that's a free to play game. Good luck not destroying your brand and sinking your entire company by implementing microtranscations in your $60 game.Maybe I'm a bit of a defeatist but I find it pretty amazing that some of you think that you have some sort of control about the future of microtransactions, I think its pretty obvious the ship sailed a few years ago. League of Legends is the most played game on the planet right now. It doesn't take many whales to justify it.
LoL is F2P...Maybe I'm a bit of a defeatist but I find it pretty amazing that some of you think that you have some sort of control about the future of microtransactions, I think its pretty obvious the ship sailed a few years ago. League of Legends is the most played game on the planet right now. It doesn't take many whales to justify it.
But we have. Don't use them.Maybe I'm a bit of a defeatist but I find it pretty amazing that some of you think that you have some sort of control about the future of microtransactions, I think its pretty obvious the ship sailed a few years ago. League of Legends is the most played game on the planet right now. It doesn't take many whales to justify it.
You're actually agreeing with me then, because you are treating them equally - hence my point. I am not demonizing all microtransactions, nor am I giving them all my blessing. But IMO these are two very similar practices (IE, saving time by 'buying' progression) and should be addressed as such. Not showing any favoritism one way or the other.Originally Posted by chubigans
Man, I couldn't disagree more. I'm actually pretty comfortable with most microtransactions. They don't "offend" me per se. I won't be buying anything within GT that relates to money. Nor would I with Forza. It's when the economy starts to shift that gets me upset.
Sorry, but I disagree with you there - I still think these are essentially two sides of the same coin (no pun intended). Justifying one as being 'better' because one game 'integrates' its microtransactions while the other may take 1 or 2 extra button presses to purchase is trivial distinction at best - they are both designed with the same goal in mind, pay to progress. Now, whether or not you feel that is good or bad, I suppose, is up to each player. In my eyes, it's wrong, no matter what the game, because it devalues the experience. But I'm still playing forza (and progressing without spending an additional cent), and I'm still playing GT.If one game removes multiple features that existed in previous iterations to accommodate MTs, while the other maintains the same game but with MTs tacked on, sorry but that is not splitting hairs to me. I am entitled to dislike one approach more.
It's not a relavist issue that you are presenting, but rather false equivalence.
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