http://www.ongamers.com/articles/rio...ames/1100-261/
So this popped up on Reddit, deserves a discussion here, Riot hosts the LCS, the league championship series, where a group of professional teams come together in a league format and play over the course of 17 or so weeks. This was great, it legitimised Esports further, the numbers are insane, some events are watched more than regular sports around the world. Riot started last season introducing rules that were somewhat Draconian, they instituted a 1 team rule, whereby an organisation could only have one team in the LCS, regardless of region. The LCS is split into two prime regions that Riot controls, NA and EU and then spun off into the Taiwan under Garena and into Korea and China. This rule only extended to the EU and NA scene which, effectively, squashed a few teams and forced others to seek different organisations, it was a contentious point for a while.
We are now in pre-season for the next season, season four, which is due to start in January. These new rules stipulate that members of professional teams in the LCS are barrred from streaming other games, notably games from Blizzard et al. While this may not seem initially contentious to some, as a person who avidly watches LOL streams, this is rediculous. High ELO queue times are absurd, lol streamers in the top 50 can spend upwards of 30 minutes waiting for a compatible game. During this wait many stream hearthstone, SC2 and similar games in the interim, its something for the fans to watch while we wait. This is now against the TOS because it promotes competition.
This is absurd, it needs attention and it needs to be stopped.
for those that cant access the site here is a list of what cannot be streamed
And here we go again Riot games is the worst. Jezus christ.
I don't see the problem with an employer forbidding their employees from promoting competing products, it's pretty much the norm.
That shit is fucking scummy.
Well ironically this is on Riots website as regards their "Employees"Originally Posted by Son of a Witch
I don't see the problem with an employer forbidding their employees from promoting competing products, it's pretty much the norm.
Rioters are gamers. We love games. As we strive to create the best player experiences, it’s important that we understand play beyond the Fields of Justice. This means that we play games – and not just our own. The new Riot Play Fund encourages plentiful play by giving each Rioter $300 to spend freely on any video game, whether MOBA, FPS, console or PC. We're equal opportunity players here. Rioters improve their gaming skills and report back with what they’ve learned during their research. We then apply these learnings in the work we do.
The Riot Play Fund is more than a traditional perq and more than a tantalizing add-on to our existing benefits; it’s an important part of our efforts to become the most player-focused game company in the world. To know players and create player-focused games, we need to be players ourselves.
What's next, Sony spokespeople in commercials not allowed to advertise the competition?
Riot bad company imo. Streamers will have to find something else to play during queue times :(.
Isn't this like not letting a soccer player let other people see him playing tennis?
Isn't this like not letting a soccer player let other people see him playing tennis?
Riot doing what Riot does. Shitty company.
Only they aren't employees of Riot proper? Are they getting salaries? And it's not even promotion... in my opinion.Originally Posted by Son of a Witch
I don't see the problem with an employer forbidding their employees from promoting competing products, it's pretty much the norm.
I know Romo plays golf - every time he screws up a play, mah Dad yells that he should go back to golf...I think this is more akin to the NFL telling a player he is not allowed to play basketball in his spare time.
Maybe that actually happens, but it shouldnt.
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What a terrible policy. Riot just lost at least 5 respect points.
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I can see both sides.
They have a contract with Riot. Riot is paying them to play the game. They don't want people to be exposed to alternatives to their game. For example, if Dyrus streams Hearthstone and says that it's a fun game, people may move to playing that instead of League. The NFL had a deal with Adidas for 10 years that their players could only promote Adidas shoes while playing a game. It was in their contract. Same as this.
On the other hand, it's their stream and their free time. They can do what they want.
At the end of the day, though, it's a voluntary contract that they signed.
They have a contract with Riot. Riot is paying them to play the game. They don't want people to be exposed to alternatives to their game. For example, if Dyrus streams Hearthstone and says that it's a fun game, people may move to playing that instead of League. The NFL had a deal with Adidas for 10 years that their players could only promote Adidas shoes while playing a game. It was in their contract. Same as this.
On the other hand, it's their stream and their free time. They can do what they want.
At the end of the day, though, it's a voluntary contract that they signed.
Are these LoL teams considered employees of Riot, though? I'm honestly curious, that seems weird to me.Originally Posted by Son of a Witch
I don't see the problem with an employer forbidding their employees from promoting competing products, it's pretty much the norm.
Still, as long as these rules are in place, LoL players should stream some
I'm not sure how to feel about this either. I feel that it is indeed scummy but at the same time, not that unreasonable since these guys are being paid and everything for being in the LCS.Originally Posted by Son of a Witch
I don't see the problem with an employer forbidding their employees from promoting competing products, it's pretty much the norm.
They got wargaming.net but as Gaijin is not on list.. go go War Thunder streams, I guess.
Scummy policy.
Scummy policy.
And that stuff like this is the reason why I jumped ship to Dota 2. No regrets.
gg hearthstone.
How is riot their employer if they have their own team and sponsors? They're just playing in riots tournament
In pro sports, you can have stuff like that stipulated in your contract.I think this is more akin to the NFL telling a player he is not allowed to play basketball in his spare time.
Maybe that actually happens, but it shouldnt.
Unless I'm reading this wrong this is pretty standard stuff tbh. LoL players can do whatever they want in their free time, just don't stream it.
b-but Riot is helping esports.
Welcome to being a pro sports player. Most pro sports leagues in NA will fine players for wearing non authorized apparel during public appearances, I don't really see this as being that much different.
You signed a contract, you play by the contract. You don't like it? Take your talents elsewhere.
You signed a contract, you play by the contract. You don't like it? Take your talents elsewhere.
This is pointless. People tune into LoL streams to watch pros play LoL. The streamers may use some other games like Hearthstone as a filler of time between matches, but that kind of behavior doesn't hurt LoL.
This will create a stink with no reward. It does kind of cement one thing-Blizzard vs. Riot is just as much a socal rivalry as USC vs. UCLA is.
edit: Wait, the team members are effectively contracted out directly by Riot (and not via contracts with teams)? Wacky.
This will create a stink with no reward. It does kind of cement one thing-Blizzard vs. Riot is just as much a socal rivalry as USC vs. UCLA is.
edit: Wait, the team members are effectively contracted out directly by Riot (and not via contracts with teams)? Wacky.
I have tried multiple times to get into DOTA but after 2 years of LOL I just cant, the gameplay, while similar in type, is too different to enjoy. That and the lack of a ranked mode is a real killer, i like progress and moving up. At this point I am mechanically as good as im going to get at LOL so the fun is finding where my skill limit is. I cant do that in DOTA.Amen, the leap in production quality is night-and-day. Never got into watchin LoL steams, but I can watch DOTA2 constantly at any level of play.
"Standard stuff" for what? As far as I know, no other company with an eSport has these rules. It's not standard.Originally Posted by Marauder Shields
In pro sports, you can have stuff like that stipulated in your contract.
Unless I'm reading this wrong this is pretty standard stuff tbh. LoL players can do whatever they want in their free time, just don't stream it.
lol Fat Princess.
Huh didn't know Riot controlled the LoL esports leagues to that degree. Interesting.
Yeah in that case Riot can change their contracts as they wish, if viewers revolt then maybe they'll reconsider.
Yeah in that case Riot can change their contracts as they wish, if viewers revolt then maybe they'll reconsider.
EDIT: Wait, these guys are actually employed by Riot? That makes no sense. So if I become a really good LoL player all of a sudden I'll be employed by Riot? They don't have Intel, Samsung, etc. sponsor a group of guys who then go to Riot tournaments?
Overall, this is a pretty pointless move that hurts more than it helps.
Overall, this is a pretty pointless move that hurts more than it helps.
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I see nothing wrong with it if they willingly signed the contract and were aware of these terms.
The list of banned games seems only to extend to MOBA-like games, which is far more reasonable than what the thread title implies. It's more like preventing an NFL player from playing in the AFL.
Their league, their rules. Simple as that if you signed on the dotted line.
I think the top teams are paid by Riot, please correct me if i'm incorrect. Seems reasonable to me.Only they aren't employees of Riot proper? Are they getting salaries? And it's not even promotion... in my opinion.
I know Romo plays golf - every time he screws up a play, mah Dad yells that he should go back to golf...
The problem lies in the monopoly, LCS guarantees you a salary and security for the period of the season, most teams that dont get into the LCS just fold as the members hope to pick up a spot in an LCS team who is doing badly and reshuffling. Its a case of RIOT has all the power, the pro's have nothing to bargain with so they have to sign it, they have a choice only in as much as the choice is "be a pro or not", and not means giving up competitive lol.I see nothing wrong with it if they willingly signed the contract and were aware of these terms.
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If these people are paid directly from Riot then what's the problem? You're on salary and have a contract to sign.
My contract with the USAF forbids me from doing loads of stuff that civilians can do all the time. I understood all the restrictions when I signed my name. It's the same deal, they knew what restrictions they would be on.
My contract with the USAF forbids me from doing loads of stuff that civilians can do all the time. I understood all the restrictions when I signed my name. It's the same deal, they knew what restrictions they would be on.
Well, it's more like an NFL player who is sponsored by Adidas doing his training sessions in Nike gear.Originally Posted by Cosmo Clock 21
The list of banned games seems only to extend to MOBA-like games, which is far more reasonable than what the thread title implies. It's more like preventing an NFL player from playing in the AFL.
What are they afraid of?
Riot taking themselves too seriously, Jesus.
Dudes got balls admitting it having just been reinstated D:
Wow, they are serious. They bothered to list Demigod.
Funny that they banned Dawngate considering they stole their idea for tinkets and whatnot;
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