lol! Awful company.
Well Capcom games aren't banned. They should pick up Street Fighter 4!
Shitty, shitty rule.
Shitty, shitty rule.
Well, if a screenname on Reddit said it's true...
One huge thing to take note of aswell is that Riot has a precedent of banning players from Twitch, though the two examples were "extreme" it does prove that they are capable of putting pressure on Twitch to remove players. Lol folk will be familiar with XJ9 who had all his accounts perma-banned, for good reason. People may not also be aware that at the request of Riot xj9's stream was perma banned, regardless of whether he would stream lol or not, effectively removing his livelihood. Now this is a fringe case, xj9 was a psycho, but it sets a precedent.
professional streamers?
Ive heard it all now
Ive heard it all now
So from what I'm understanding, because they're not under contract it means Riot has no obligation to keep them as a "featured" streamer, and uses this as a sort of filter for people who don't "play by the rules". Scummy.
The LCS teams are actual "employees" of Riot's eSports division. They get paid by Riot on top of whatever their sponsors pull.EDIT: Wait, these guys are actually employed by Riot? That makes no sense. So if I become a really good LoL player all of a sudden I'll be employed by Riot? They don't have Intel, Samsung, etc. sponsor a group of guys who then go to Riot tournaments?
I don't believe Riot is actually the employer. These are high end players who belong to a team that sponsors them and sends them to competitions if Riot wants them there.
Lol that list makes no sense. You can't stream Solstice Arena, but it makes no mention of the arguably better Heroes of Order and Chaos. Makes mention of Monday Night Combat yet let's Super MNC get by. Also Why is WAR listed yet Guild Wars is fair game? This is funny.for those that cant access the site here is a list of what cannot be streamed
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Riot Games always seemed like it was run by immature douchebags. And not because of their character designs.
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"Tobacco products"? The guy can't even smoke on his own stream?
Every team participating in the LCS gets a significant paycheck signed by Riot. It's not feasible to have a professional League of Legends career if you don't qualify for the LCS (or the Asian equivalent). Several teams have disbanded because they missed out on qualification.I think the top teams are paid by Riot, please correct me if i'm incorrect. Seems reasonable to me.
I hate Riot with a burning passion.
Every news I see related to them just adds fuel to the fire
Every news I see related to them just adds fuel to the fire
There is quite the pattern in the games that are banned.
Well Riot has always been shitty and it looks like that's not going to change any time soon.
Well Riot has always been shitty and it looks like that's not going to change any time soon.
Since when is World of Warcraft a competing product? or Hearthstone? They aren't MOBA games.Originally Posted by Son of a Witch
I don't see the problem with an employer forbidding their employees from promoting competing products, it's pretty much the norm.
I can understand not wanting them to stream DOTA or other MOBAs but WOW? Hearth? Diablo? Fucking absurd.
Also since pendragon is still at riot i will forever consider them evil
Their tournament, their rules. If you want to compete in it, that's what you gotta do. N oone is forcing them to stop streaming altogether, just if you want a chance at the money.
It's incredibly smart move, everyone who played Heroes of the Storm at Blizzcon said its better than LoL and a breath of fresh air. It would be stupid to allow people with 20k+ viewers to play LoL and then switch to HotS and contrast them so dramatically.
You can't have been serious.
It's incredibly smart move, everyone who played Heroes of the Storm at Blizzcon said its better than LoL and a breath of fresh air. It would be stupid to allow people with 20k+ viewers to play LoL and then switch to HotS and contrast them so dramatically.
Are you serious? For one thing, it's just easier to cover all the bases. It would be a dumb PR nightmare to outright say "We don't want people playing more fun games instead of LoL." Second, just because it isn't in the same exact genre doesn't mean it doesn't attract a similar audience. Their both massive timesink competitive RPG type games, it's broad enough that there's a lot of crossover.Since when is World of Warcraft a competing product? or Hearthstone? They aren't MOBA games.
I can understand not wanting them to stream DOTA or other MOBAs but WOW? Hearth? Diablo? Fucking absurd.
You can't have been serious.
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Fuck Riot Games.
Also "professional streamers", hahaha.
Also "professional streamers", hahaha.
If you want that ESports money, you gotta follow their rules.
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My girlfriend cannot drink Coke products while representing the company, on a company trip, or with the company's dollar. This includes things like Sprite, Barqs, and even stuff like Nestea or Minute Maid. Hell, even Dasani.Since when is World of Warcraft a competing product? or Hearthstone? They aren't MOBA games.
I can understand not wanting them to stream DOTA or other MOBAs but WOW? Hearth? Diablo? Fucking absurd.
They are publicly streaming competition while representing Riot Games. These things have been in contracts forever.
Now, non-LCS streamers banned? That's absurd.
I don't think he'd be banned, just taken off their featured streamers list.My girlfriend cannot drink Coke products while representing the company, on a company trip, or with the company's dollar. This includes things like Sprite, Barqs, and even stuff like Nestea or Minute Maid. Hell, even Dasani.
They are publicly streaming competition while representing Riot Games. These things have been in contracts forever.
Now, non-LCS streamers banned? That's absurd.
Shorter thread title: Job has rules.
CS:GO has more in common with LoL than Fat Princess (as far as competing eSports are concerned) and yet the latter is banned, the former is not. Monday Night Combat is banned, but its sequel is not. The list is entirely arbitrary, and honestly was probably put together just so Dota 2, HoN and SC2 weren't the only three.Originally Posted by LAUGHTREY
Are you serious? For one thing, it's just easier to cover all the bases. It would be a dumb PR nightmare to outright say "We don't want people playing more fun games instead of LoL." Second, just because it isn't in the same exact genre doesn't mean it doesn't attract a similar audience. Their both massive timesink competitive RPG type games, it's broad enough that there's a lot of crossover.
You can't have been serious.
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The question becomes is the streaming on their free time? I would say it is.My girlfriend cannot drink Coke products while representing the company, on a company trip, or with the company's dollar. This includes things like Sprite, Barqs, and even stuff like Nestea or Minute Maid. Hell, even Dasani.
They are publicly streaming competition while representing Riot Games. These things have been in contracts forever.
Now, non-LCS streamers banned? That's absurd.
Your girlfriend can be an employee of pepsi and still drink coke in her free time.
Not wearing a Hearthstone shirt at an LoL event is one thing. Preventing them from streaming anything else is another.
To forbid players to stream something that isn't in direct competition is completely absurd to me.Originally Posted by LAUGHTREY
Their tournament, their rules. If you want to compete in it, that's what you gotta do. N oone is forcing them to stop streaming altogether, just if you want a chance at the money.
It's incredibly smart move, everyone who played Heroes of the Storm at Blizzcon said its better than LoL and a breath of fresh air. It would be stupid to allow people with 20k+ viewers to play LoL and then switch to HotS and contrast them so dramatically.
Are you serious? For one thing, it's just easier to cover all the bases. It would be a dumb PR nightmare to outright say "We don't want people playing more fun games instead of LoL." Second, just because it isn't in the same exact genre doesn't mean it doesn't attract a similar audience. Their both massive timesink competitive RPG type games, it's broad enough that there's a lot of crossover.
You can't have been serious.
A lot of streamers also make money from streaming and sometimes you get more views with the hottest game. Do you see any SC2 sponsers kicking people off for playing other games? CSS sponsers? No? Because it's dumb. I understand not wanting people playing DOTA or direct competition but games from other genres? how does that hurt league exactly?
This is beyond retarded.
I don't see the big deal. Riot pays the team $100k+ salary each season. Is it really that crazy that Riot pays LCS pros lots of money to promote only LoL when streaming? Just play other shit when not streaming...
No other company that has an eSports title employs their players more or less directly, they receive a salary from Riot for their play. It's understandable from their point of view that they only want their players to stream LoL and no competing products.Originally Posted by balladofwindfishes
"Standard stuff" for what? As far as I know, no other company with an eSport has these rules. It's not standard.
I don't like it and I think the backlash from the community could be worse then the potential gains. As long as the LoL streamers aren't mainly streaming other content it shouldn't be a big issue.
stream Mario 64 instead
everyone loves that
everyone loves that
These players are streaming in their free time. They're not being paid by Riot to stream (only to play in the LCS I believe).
I don't see how Riot could feasibly ask them to stop streaming games like Hearthstone while streaming in their free time. That doesn't seem remotely acceptable (or legal).
I don't see how Riot could feasibly ask them to stop streaming games like Hearthstone while streaming in their free time. That doesn't seem remotely acceptable (or legal).
I don't think anyone is honestly arguing that they don't have a right to do it. Moreso, that it's stupid, pointless and hypocritical of Riot to do this, and it also cements old rumors of them restricting LoL at tournaments that feature other games.My girlfriend cannot drink Coke products while representing the company, on a company trip, or with the company's dollar. This includes things like Sprite, Barqs, and even stuff like Nestea or Minute Maid. Hell, even Dasani.
They are publicly streaming competition while representing Riot Games. These things have been in contracts forever.
Now, non-LCS streamers banned? That's absurd.
It's poor PR no matter how you slice it, and even if they have a right to do it, it's not the right thing to do (and will probably hurt them in the long run)
Riot will remove a streamer from their featured streamer list if they play a non-League moba? Sounds pretty standard really. Riot won't want to be advertising a stream that is playing Dota 2, for example.
This is just an example of increased professionalism in the e-sports industry. You go on Twitch at any one time and there are between 75-125k people watching LoL streams, that's significant advertising.
This is just an example of increased professionalism in the e-sports industry. You go on Twitch at any one time and there are between 75-125k people watching LoL streams, that's significant advertising.
This is bad. I stopped playing League last year and good riddance.
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I mean, I agree with you that streaming is their free time. But it would be like a Pepsi spokesperson going on NPR and using about half their time on air talking about how much they like Coke. And making that a daily segment.Originally Posted by SteveWinwood
The question becomes is the streaming on their free time? I would say it is.
Your girlfriend can be an employee of pepsi and still drink coke in her free time.
Not wearing a Hearthstone shirt at an LoL event is one thing. Preventing them from streaming anything else is another.
But I think analogies may be strange to use because this field is so new and unexplored.
Yes, they are Riot employees. Riot funds the LCS and gives the teams and players salaries. They can also make additional money through streaming and sponsorship deals.
This is standard for most professional sports and a lot of other areas too, like how actors can't appear in ads for competing products within a set period of time after being in an ad for a certain brand.
And they can still play whatever they want on stream, just not "during" or adjacent to LoL (ie queue).
This is standard for most professional sports and a lot of other areas too, like how actors can't appear in ads for competing products within a set period of time after being in an ad for a certain brand.
And they can still play whatever they want on stream, just not "during" or adjacent to LoL (ie queue).
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Haha at people defending this. Just because it's not unheard of for companies to do this doesn't make it any less pathetic.
The US Gov't forbids us from going to certain countries with our security clearance, forbids us from going to non-approved off-base doctors, tells us what times I can drink alcohol, what bars we can drink at, and is always giving us a new background check every couple years...that's not even the tip of the iceberg with what service members are restricted to.
The Gov't is so evil forcing us how to live! Too bad everyone signed a contract before being commissioned or enlisting...
The Gov't is so evil forcing us how to live! Too bad everyone signed a contract before being commissioned or enlisting...
Damn, people still type it out as "ELO" instead of Elo?
Anyway, it's dumb decisions like this that made me stop following the competitive scene for the game. Well, this and losing interest in the game itself.
Anyway, it's dumb decisions like this that made me stop following the competitive scene for the game. Well, this and losing interest in the game itself.
not sure why the "professional streamer" occupation is getting so much flame here. They are essentially performing artists, and some of them do make a decent tome of things via streaming.
man that reddit post linked earlier in the thread to 2GD is pretty awful. Riot is way too aggressive at retaining marketshare for their own good.
man that reddit post linked earlier in the thread to 2GD is pretty awful. Riot is way too aggressive at retaining marketshare for their own good.
Riot games really wants people to play other moba's don't they?
This has to be fake. Right?
This has to be fake. Right?
Pepsi is a very direct competitor to Coke. At best, you can make the argument that Dota 2 should be on the list of games they can't stream because it competes with Riot.I mean, I agree with you that streaming is their free time. But it would be like a Pepsi spokesperson going on NPR and using about half their time on air talking about how much they like Coke. And making that a daily segment.
But I think analogies may be strange to use because this field is so new and unexplored.
But Hearthstone? Fat Princess? Those are stretches.
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