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Originally Posted by ShinUltramanJ

I saw the big Wii U event at my local mall. I would've checked it out if they had DK or Mariokart, but it was all stuff I have or in the case of Mario, want to stay in the dark until Christmas.

Wii U is a great system, and it has great games. It's just this sudden surge in Nintendo fans feeling the need to keep telling everyone about Wii U and how it has more games than two systems that just released. "Nintendo thumpers" beating us over the head with the same list of exclusives and that magical feeling. Enough already. If I see one more story of someone hugging their U I'm going to vomit lol

This is the only point in the Wii U's life cycle where it will have more games. Let them enjoy it while it lasts, they need to validate their purchase somehow.

Besides, give it a year or two and you're bound to see threads where people are talking about how the Wii U has no games and how their systems are collecting dust. It's inevitable.

I'm getting a little suspicious about all these pro Nintendo pieces lately. There just seems to have been a deluge of them lately. PR team must be on it for Christmas.

terrible examples aside (eg AC4 is hugely improved on PS4, and almost as nice on xbone - and need for speed rivals is awesome, + resogun etc)

I agree with the $200. If it drops to $200 and X delivers, I'm in for that price.

lego city though...wtf havent u heard of marvel superheroes, thats a pretty similar game - bigger in scope even with so many playable characters

I'd also take Dead Rising 3 over Mario World but thats a personal opinion

Originally Posted by Audible Phonetics

Hi Def Enough??

As opposed to the Wii it won't look like shit on your HDTV.

Makes perfect sense to me.

Originally Posted by Pryce

lol.

To me it is actually a great point, just that the title is funny. (6. Its High Def enough.)

It just means that because it has less power does not mean games look like shit. You can actually look at the Next Gen Screenshot thread and Wii U games hold up really well despite the power difference.

Man, people really get pissed at positive Nintendo articles.

Some of those headings are pretty silly though.

I was at E3 2013 and, upon reviewing all my photos and videos, realized I'd spent more time at the Nintendo booth than the Sony or Microsoft one. The Wii U has really great games; heck, even that widely derided (on forums and tech sites) Gamepad felt more interesting than what the other hardware makers are doing.

Their third party support is horrific, but those Nintendo games are so good, it's easy to understand why they're so confident without them.

I clicked on the article and it doesnt says anything about the eshop, it says that it has Virtual Console and its backwards compatible an Sony and Microsoft nada!

Originally Posted by megabytecr

To me it is actually a great point, just that the title is funny. (6. Its High Def enough.)

It just means that because it has less power does not mean games look like shit. You can actually look at the Next Gen Screenshot thread and Wii U games hold up really well despite the power difference.

But the PS4 and Xbone literally came out one to two weeks ago. Obviously you see the flaw in your logic right?

Reason No. 1: Metroid.

Why make a list of 10 for it to be shit? At the most make it a list of 5 or something.

Originally Posted by Acquiescence

You didn't need to fix anything, I already stated it was personal preference when I wrote "to justify me buying one."

The way it was worded, it basically meant it didn't have any quality titles, thus you didn't get any. It does, it's just that none of them appeal to you.

Originally Posted by Chinpoko_Master

This is the only point in the Wii U's life cycle where it will have more games. Let them enjoy it while it lasts, .

I laughed.

what the hell is so confusing about saying "it's HD enough"?

My only one reason:

1. The games I truly want are never going to be released on WiiU

Originally Posted by Tripon

Ten reasons:
1. Because it has the games you want to play now.
2. And it’ll have the games you want to play next year.
3. The Wii U GamePad is a portable console.
4. It’s just $300 — $100 less than the PS4 and $200 less than the Xbox One.
5. There’s no annual subscription fee.
6. Its High Def enough.
7. Wii U games are cheaper on balance.
8. Nintendo has the eShop. Sony and Microsoft have nada.
9. It has a decent indie lineup, too.
10. It’s more than just a game system. (TV, remote integration)

Nintendo needs to work on:

1. Like dropping the system price again.
2. And it needs a killer Zelda or Metroid or new Nintendo IP we haven’t seen before, ASAP.
3. And it needs more third-party games.

http://techland.time.com/2013/12/04/...#ixzz2mXRrlojN

Edit: I'm noticing that people are just reading the reasons, and not clicking on reading the articles. He has reasons for his choices, please click on the article and read before you mock his choices.

So I quickly skimmed through the article since the OP kindly requested it. And I feel exactly the same.

1. Because it has the games you want to play now.

#1. Nintendo games.

2. And it’ll have the games you want to play next year.

#2. Nintendo games.

3. The Wii U GamePad is a portable console.

#3. Not really. You can't take it outside your home.

4. It’s just $300 — $100 less than the PS4 and $200 less than the Xbox One.

#4. $100 isn't really enough of a difference to influence the decision on which console to buy.

5. There’s no annual subscription fee.

#5. Good point. But there's also no account system for digital content.

6. Its High Def enough.

#6. Doesn't really mean anything.

7. Wii U games are cheaper on balance.

#7. Supply and demand.

8. Nintendo has the eShop. Sony and Microsoft have nada.

#8. Sony has the Playstation Store and Microsoft have Xbox Live Marketplace.

9. It has a decent indie lineup, too.

#9. Decent is a too strong word in this context. Bring some Spelunky, Hotline Miami and Don't Starve.

10. It’s more than just a game system. (TV, remote integration)

#10. Well... okay. Sure. Not really a great reason for buying it though.


10/10 traffic generator article, would reply(and mock) again.

Originally Posted by Gonzo The Great

It's really fascinating how some people on GAF have been trashing pretty much every gaming website or mainstream news outlet that dares to send praise in Nintendo's direction. So much so that there are now conspiracy theories claiming that the press have collectively decided to save Nintendo's image. Yeah, the PS4 and Xbox One will probably have much better software libraries a few years from now, but the blatant fanboyism is just too much for me.

Generally speaking, I don't really care what the media thinks. To me, they are like movie critics at this point and their views/opinions simply don't align with the average consumer. It's not just Nintendo, it's the idea that mobile gaming will destroy the traditional gaming market, or that all yearly franchise games suck, or how indies are better than AAA games and are the future of the industry. So on and so forth.

As for this specific article (and others like it), it works under the assumption that Nintendo makes must have games that everyone will enjoy and it is becoming increasingly apparent that that's not the case. I don't think the press is trying to save Nintendo's image as much as they are simply fans of Nintendo games and don't understand why the average gamer doesn't see the value in purchasing the only console that can play those games.

They should probably have settled for "3 reasons I'd pick the Wii U".

The points about games are fair. 3D World is pretty great from what I've played.

Points 6 and 8 are complete bollocks. "HD enough" if you're upgrading from a Wii, maybe. Microsoft and Sony having 'nada' like the eShop is... well, just simply untrue.

Originally Posted by shagg_187

Reason No. 1: Metroid.

Where is it then? :(

1. Current catalog/backwards compatibility
2. Price
3. No fee for online

Those 3 I can get behind. The rest sound like filler.

Originally Posted by mckmas8808

But the PS4 and Xbone literally came out one to two weeks ago. Obviously you see the flaw in your logic right?

No, I don´t see any flaw. The power difference will always be there, all consoles will improve over time but there is no flaw. The point is Wii U games look good.

Originally Posted by Rivver

1. Current catalog/backwards compatibility
2. Price
3. No fee for online

Those 3 I can get behind. The rest sound like filler.

If that's all you're interested in, a ps3 is a better buy.

Originally Posted by Manmademan

If that's all you're interested in, a ps3 is a better buy.

Not necessarily. The exclusives on Wii U and PS3/360 are completely different types of games. Wii U would be better for people who like platformers, local co-op, quirky niche stuff like Pikmin3/Wonderful101, action RPGs, and casual games. PS3/360 library would be better for most other types (sports games, FPS', cinematic action games, indie games, etc...)

I wish all dem sites were as active to push Vita :(

Originally Posted by Chinpoko_Master

This is the only point in the Wii U's life cycle where it will have more games. Let them enjoy it while it lasts, they need to validate their purchase somehow.

Besides, give it a year or two and you're bound to see threads where people are talking about how the Wii U has no games and how their systems are collecting dust. It's inevitable.

Go fuck yourself on your high horse. Are you kidding me? Get that high and mighty stuff out of here. We're all gamers who buy game systems to support great games from great developers. If you want to put yourself at a loss for writing off ⅓ of the console market then that's fine but don't talk down about fellow gamers who love what they love like that.

Without early adopters, there will hardly be any support for systems. If there was more people that bought games for the Wii-U, (despite it being shitty ports) it might have gotten more support.

Originally Posted by SephCast

They could've just listed 10 Mario 3D World levels and called it a day.

haha. Awesome.

Originally Posted by Chinpoko_Master

This is the only point in the Wii U's life cycle where it will have more games. Let them enjoy it while it lasts, they need to validate their purchase somehow.

Besides, give it a year or two and you're bound to see threads where people are talking about how the Wii U has no games and how their systems are collecting dust. It's inevitable.

+1 for the awesome South Park reference in your user name. I got Shoe!

-2 for your petty, asinine post. It's clear by now that PS4/XOne Vs Wii U will both have games, just different kind of games. If you only care about FPS, sports games, and the latest cinematic action game then, yeah, PS4/XOne will have "more games". But most people have broader tastes.

Wow, Nintendo posted this on both their Nintendo Facebook page and the Console Gaming page.
That's a lot of people that will see the article. Pretty neat I suppose.

Some people didn't even bother reading the article and only read the list someone posted.

shocking

A lot of their points are bullshit

Not a bad article. I agree with most to some degree.

The WiiU, TODAY (imo) has more quality games than the X1/Ps4.
I personally would tell anyone wanting a new console to get a WiiU.

If they really want a X1/PS4 I would recommend they wait til next summer at the earliest. Will be more games and refined services. (heck might even get free pack in if you wait)

FWIW, the writer has edited his article, so instead of saying "Nintendo has Eshop" etc. now it says "Nintendo has the Virtual Console and Wii backward-compatibility. Sony and Microsoft have nada."

Still, "It's High Def Enough." is very curious statement coming from a supposedly 'tech writer'.

That's...a really sad list. Reads more like a half-hearted apology than a convincing argument.

Originally Posted by Kvik

FWIW, the writer has edited his article, so instead of saying "Nintendo has Eshop" etc. now it says "Nintendo has the Virtual Console and Wii backward-compatibility. Sony and Microsoft have nada."

Still, "It's High Def Enough." is very curious statement coming from a supposedly 'tech writer'.

Why? Is it not HD? And this matters since the Wii (its predecessor) was not HD and did not support HDMI connection. Main reason I stopped using my Wii was i no longer had any analog ports on my displays :(

Originally Posted by VXLbeast

That's...a really sad list. Reads more like a half-hearted apology than a convincing argument.

Did you read the actual article? The headlines are beyond stupid but otherwise he speaks wise words.

Originally Posted by Kvik

Still, "It's High Def Enough." is very curious statement coming from a supposedly 'tech writer'.

A lot of Wii U games run at 720. Zelda runs at 1080. KI runs at 720, as does COD on XB1. I'm not seeing the huge distinction is resolution that would make Wii U not high def enough and XB1 high def enough.

If you believe that the resolution of Wii U is too low it seems like you'd have to believe that for XB1 as well.

Originally Posted by Sendou

Did you read the actual article? The headlines are beyond stupid but otherwise he speaks wise words.

I did, and his point is fine: I like Nintendo games, so the system is worth it for me (now and in the future). I some what agree with him, in that I will probably end up with a Wii U as well, depending on the quality of key titles like Zelda and Smash.

But the rest of the list reads like an apology he can't quite convince himself of.

Originally Posted by Chinpoko_Master

This is the only point in the Wii U's life cycle where it will have more games. Let them enjoy it while it lasts, they need to validate their purchase somehow.

Besides, give it a year or two and you're bound to see threads where people are talking about how the Wii U has no games and how their systems are collecting dust. It's inevitable.

Since joining gaf, I've realized how horrifying dealing with Nintendo fans is (and how awful I must have been to talk to during the early years of the Wii generation). I love my 3DS, but I don't even bother with the 3DS threads anymore. I can't even disagree with your post. I've been hopeful for a long time for the Wii U's turn around, but the more dire it gets the more intolerable it becomes in any sort of Nintendo related thread.

Originally Posted by Nibel

Whattup? It's not like PS4 or Xbox One are more high def than the Wii U currently, even funnier: the next major Nintendo games are actually at 1080p, some even at 60 FPS

High definition has to do with the resolution, not with power, but go on

You took my post way too seriously, take it back a step.

I was just laughing at the 'enough' part. It is hilarious.

Is one reason that it's in stock?

I think this battle has been lost.

WiiU is the lowest selling system since the Sega Saturn in America. Numbers are iffy, but the thing is performing well under the GCN and even under the Dreamcast. In a much larger market. This market sold over 100 million units of home console hardware this prior generation. A jump of 30-40 million units over the generation before it. WiiU performing not only bad, but 1995 bad is very very troubling. It means we're going to see a contracted market by default unless either Sony or MS sell like 60-70 million units in America alone with the other not far behind. That's the only way the home console market will see continued growth in America.

That's the only way the style of games I like will maintain relevancy in the face of even higher development costs. If they can prove there is an ever expanding market for it.

That battle is lost. WiiU will be lucky to be seen as a companion system to either PS4 or One if it isn't discontinued in a couple of years that is. This kind of performance by one of the players spells bad things for the home console market. Just as the lacking performance of 3DS and the implosion of Sony's handheld market in America has incited a firestorm of "Imminent iOS/Droid domination confirmed?" storylines, a significant contraction of the home console market will breed its own.

Originally Posted by Damaniel

The Wii U has exactly one future game that I'd be willing to buy the system for (if I didn't already have one) - X, and I'm not sure that X has even been officially announced for the US, so we may not even get it in the end.

I don't know if someone's answered you already, but X is announced for the US. they have region specific Nintendo Directs so when it was announced back in January, that was the US announcement

Originally Posted by Nibel

Totilo had some fun in a similar way, too

Wow, thats great. Love my WiiU <3

Originally Posted by Thunder Monkey

I think this battle has been lost.

WiiU is the lowest selling system since the Sega Saturn in America. Numbers are iffy, but the thing is performing well under the GCN and even under the Dreamcast. In a much larger market. This market sold over 100 million units of home console hardware this prior generation. A jump of 30-40 million units over the generation before it. WiiU performing not only bad, but 1995 bad is very very troubling. It means we're going to see a contracted market by default unless either Sony or MS sell like 60-70 million units in America alone with the other not far behind. That's the only way the home console market will see continued growth in America.

That's the only way the style of games I like will maintain relevancy in the face of even higher development costs. If they can prove there is an ever expanding market for it.

That battle is lost. WiiU will be lucky to be seen as a companion system to either PS4 or One if it isn't discontinued in a couple of years that is. This kind of performance by one of the players spells bad things for the home console market. Just as the lacking performance of 3DS and the implosion of Sony's handheld market in America has incited a firestorm of "Imminent iOS/Droid domination confirmed?" storylines, a significant contraction of the home console market will breed its own.

See this to me is nonsense. I see the battle just starting. Now consumers and gamers get to see what all 3 consoles actually have to offer. The first year of the wiiu can be pretty much written off as a beta period or soft launch if they choose. Personally I think the wiiu is finally going to start moving in a positive direction. Nothing crazy, etc but steady positive movement on the whole. I think the ps4 is going to do well overall but my gut and what I'm seeing is the x1 is going to surprise people by how poorly it does.

Originally Posted by Darklord

1. It has Super Mario 3D World.
2. The other two have shit all right now.

That's all I need to know.

This is actually the best argument, at least for today.

Originally Posted by Manmademan

If that's all you're interested in, a ps3 is a better buy.

I already have a PS3.

Oh Mario is out, now lets list all these WiiU positives that could have been listed before but we chose not to for whatever reason. Not trying to piss on the WiiU but the list is horrible. eShop? Really? lol

HD*

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Originally Posted by sunnz

What's the difference between PSN store/ market place and the eShop?

an account system, or as Time magazine calls it, nada.

Originally Posted by spock

See this to me is nonsense. I see the battle just starting. Now consumers and gamers get to see what all 3 consoles actually have to offer. The first year of the wiiu can be pretty much written off as a beta period or soft launch if they choose. Personally I think the wiiu is finally going to start moving in a positive direction. Nothing crazy, etc but steady positive movement on the whole. I think the ps4 is going to do well overall but my gut and what I'm seeing is the x1 is going to surprise people by how poorly it does.

I think One is going to be hurt by its price enough to demand a price drop within its first year, but even that muted first year is going to decimate WiiU's first two. And once the price is in the Xbox norm I expect it to start selling respectably in America but always behind PS4 because of an early large lead it gains. There might be one month One falls below WiiU in its first year (I'm thinking around June depending on when Smash launches) but they will remedy that by dropping the price. Either because they can or because they become willing to take a wash for a time.

But that's it. I expect WiiU to be in much the same place by March next year that they were March of this. Maybe with a slightly higher monthly unit baseline in America.

I expect One to maintain at a lower unit total than some seem to expect, but first year PS3 level. Much higher than WiiU.