welcome to psp vs. ds.Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre
Odd how there is this illusion that because the PS4 is doing so well that the XBox One isn't.
"The PS4 sold out in 3 hours and it took the XBox One 3 days, good luck MS you're going to need it".
It's just crazy how some people act.
Neogaf: "Why gamespot does not matter right now"
Well that sentence is problematic, since by all accounts the launch has been succesful, but you certainly can still find an Xbox One.Agreed. I think you got caught up in the cross fire because "You can still find Xbox One" is the typical response people use when arguing that the Xbox One launch hasn't been successful :P
So gamespot reads GAF and makes non-news articles based on threads they've read.
Shocking.
Shocking.
This is exactly what i have been trying to say for weeks now but people kept telling me i was wrong for thinking this way. To me though...all this HYPE for the NPD numbers coming up next are meaningless right now...maybe the NPD numbers a month or two from now may give us a much better indication on how these consoles are really doing but right now every console that is being sold are being sold to the more hardcore gamer and the more serious type of gamer and of course Christmas buyers...which the Xmas buyers will be snapping these up every holiday season.
So when these next NPD numbers come out...everyone is saying "wait for the upcoming NPD numbers!!" ...well i totally disagree...these NPD numbers are meaningless right now imho.
I been saying wait some months and we'll see the real state of both of these consoles....even so..look back at last gen how the 360, wii and ps3 were selling..its been a real roller coaster with last gen. So who knows but honestly we should have a much better idea on everything a few months from now..just like the GS article states.
Please stop and read the cross-quote madness. You're assuming for no reason. Stop doing that. Here, I'll help you:Originally Posted by geek_box12
So you an everyone else went to every retailer on planet earth that is currently selling both consoles and verified their stock to come to the conclusion that the xbone is selling like shit? Until you achieve that task, a couple people taking pics at their local store an amazon stock means absolutely nothing. The people who said there was stock in NY, the next poster wanted proof of a receipt. Like seriously y'all need to stop arguing like little children about which console is selling better an just enjoy your box.
An who cares if it took five minutes or 8 hours, the Xbox sold out on Amazon today. Stop moving the goal post in which defines an item selling out.
Originally Posted by Chuck Norris
That's the point, you can find Xbox Ones
I reponded saying there was no good fight because Amazon was selling them all day yesterday and today. Then this guy quotes me? vOriginally Posted by Naminator
Keep fighting the good fight bro.
Originally Posted by instinct6142
stop, fighting over whether your console of choice is more popular is so stupid.
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Wait until January/February/March to see how well these consoles are really doing. Even the PS4- because people are buying 4 of them to try to resell them and it seems like the demand isn't there to pay above MSRP for the console.
Last gen isn't done yet. People will be holding onto their PS3/360/Wii consoles for another 3 years until new games don't come out anymore. Then I think we'll see a split in what people do- they'll either buy a new console, or be too occupied with their tablets.
Considering iPads are huge for consumers and a new one comes out every year, people have to make a choice of what to get each year. Upgrade your iPads/phones to new models, at a discounted price, that they'll use every day- or buy a new gaming console they might use once in awhile. I'm beginning to fear the tablets and phones (and the way 3rd parties keep pushing certain titles out) are going to make dedicated devices go away like Blockbuster.
Last gen isn't done yet. People will be holding onto their PS3/360/Wii consoles for another 3 years until new games don't come out anymore. Then I think we'll see a split in what people do- they'll either buy a new console, or be too occupied with their tablets.
Considering iPads are huge for consumers and a new one comes out every year, people have to make a choice of what to get each year. Upgrade your iPads/phones to new models, at a discounted price, that they'll use every day- or buy a new gaming console they might use once in awhile. I'm beginning to fear the tablets and phones (and the way 3rd parties keep pushing certain titles out) are going to make dedicated devices go away like Blockbuster.
Who in the world would be crazy enough to do that when they can easily either walk to the store or to buy it from online shops at $400?Originally Posted by kirby_fox
Wait until January/February/March to see how well these consoles are really doing. Even the PS4- because people are buying 4 of them to try to resell them and it seems like the demand isn't there to pay above MSRP for the console.
To be honest, if the XBO and PS4 achieved PSP and DS sales respectively, that would be a monumental win for console gaming in general. That would be nuts. I think one of them will take the lion share and the other will do well but not crazy good.Originally Posted by BladeoftheImmortal
welcome to psp vs. ds.
In Australia, you can find Xbones everywhere, both retail and online, and has been that way since launch. PS4 sold out instantly, and the general statement from retailers is they won't be available to buy again until Feb next year. If more PS4 stock does some in, it will just be to fulfil still outstanding pre-orders.Originally Posted by Chuck Norris
That's the point, you can find Xbox Ones
From what I've heard, the situation in the UK is similar. Xbox available in stores, PS4 sold out until further notice.
I either of them does lifetime PSP sales I'll be happy.Originally Posted by KoopaTheCasual
To be honest, if the XBO and PS4 achieved PSP and DS sales respectively, that would be a monumental win for console gaming in general. That would be nuts. I think one of them will take the lion share and the other will do well but not crazy good.
You want him to drive to the store and take pictures of Xboxes sitting on a shelf? Look back earlier in this thread if that's your fetish.Pictures please.
In response to the numbers not mattering, and in an attempt to not get this thread shutdown like every other similar thread, has there ever been a near simultaneous release like this before (mainly looking at US releases since that is all I'm accustomed to)?
I've gamed a lot over the years, but I'm not necessarily that versed in history. I believe the Genesis was out prior to the SNES, the original PS was before the N64, the PS2 earlier two gen's ago, and the 360 earlier last gen.
I don't remember any consoles coming out less than a year apart except for last gen, and I don't remember any coming out a week apart.
Doesn't this have huge implications?
I've gamed a lot over the years, but I'm not necessarily that versed in history. I believe the Genesis was out prior to the SNES, the original PS was before the N64, the PS2 earlier two gen's ago, and the 360 earlier last gen.
I don't remember any consoles coming out less than a year apart except for last gen, and I don't remember any coming out a week apart.
Doesn't this have huge implications?
People saying Xbox One is doomed because it isn't selling as fast as PS4 is like saying Samsung Mobile is doomed.
iPhones go on sale and are hard to get for a couple months.
Galaxy S III/4/Whatever goes on sale and it's super easy to get one, walk into a store or just get one online, they're everywhere.
Yet at the same time Samsung has completely crushed any and all Android and Windows Phone competition and is becoming more popular than Apple.
Both are doing well, and both will continue to have good lifespans.
iPhones go on sale and are hard to get for a couple months.
Galaxy S III/4/Whatever goes on sale and it's super easy to get one, walk into a store or just get one online, they're everywhere.
Yet at the same time Samsung has completely crushed any and all Android and Windows Phone competition and is becoming more popular than Apple.
Both are doing well, and both will continue to have good lifespans.
The numbers matter because it proves that nothing has yet to take the place of console gaming. I know phones sell well and mobile games and pc games are doing great, but neither have caused console gamers to give up console gaming. So yeah, PS4 and Xbone will continue to sell great well into next year.
The Saturn and PS1 launched within a couple of weeks of each other in Japan, and 4 months apart in the US.Originally Posted by ChoklitCow
In response to the numbers not mattering, and in an attempt to not get this thread shutdown like every other similar thread, has there ever been a near simultaneous release like this before (mainly looking at US releases since that is all I'm accustomed to)?
I've gamed a lot over the years, but I'm not necessarily that versed in history. I believe the Genesis was out prior to the SNES, the original PS was before the N64, the PS2 earlier two gen's ago, and the 360 earlier last gen.
I don't remember any consoles coming out less than a year apart except for last gen, and I don't remember any coming out a week apart.
Doesn't this have huge implications?
You can also find Wii U's......you can also find high end Android phones not made by Samsung...Originally Posted by Chuck Norris
That's the point, you can find Xbox Ones
Bottom line is selling so much that you are out of stock is impressive, especially when you have a high allotment. Add to that when you sell out and sale more than your competition....thats extremely impressive.
It is what it is...
theres no time for logical thinking
So happy the PS4 seems to be doing much better. Shows that nobody needs voice controls, degraded Cable TV resolution, or a giant brick.
I tried not to mention the iPhone....its like in its own lil kingdom concerning demand...lol Mentioned Samsung because of their popularity in Android land. And other Android phones being just as good or maybe better....but having so so sales, demand.Even Samsung phones you can pretty much get close to launch. They don't have anywhere near the demand as iPhones but still sell really, really well.
Thank You. And Wii sales are always bought up in discussions like this...but for some reason....PS4 sales are being downplayed.....Originally Posted by Dr. Kitty Muffins
They weren't this “reasonable “ when the Wii was setting sales records. The press was willing to sing their praises.
Thanks!The Saturn and PS1 launched within a couple of weeks of each other in Japan, and 4 months apart in the US.
So in a very small amount of time just googleing, this appeared from this forum from a 5th gen sales thread:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...&postcount=180
Now, even looking through the thread I couldn't vouch for the validity of the data, but the guy appears to have done his research. If the data is accurate, would it be fair to discredit early sales?
Obviously there are a lot more variables in play during the modern era, but I'm never a fan of discrediting historical information.
Do I think November's NDP determines who "wins", absolutely not. But I don't think articles like this shed appropriate light on the importance of early sales with direct competition. If anything, one sides early "victory" will just result in a victory for us as consumers.
That to me, is important.
It really is quite astonishing.Originally Posted by BladeoftheImmortal
welcome to psp vs. ds.
Like this guy who continually tries his best to argue against those who might want to get an XBox One. Thread after thread it's the same nonsense. The XBox One is selling better than any XBox in history but all of the sudden tablets and smartphones will kill it but not impact the PS4. Or only those who do buy one us only for media and online, not games like Forza, DR3 and multiple other games that aren't on the PS4. Are they getting paid or something?Agreed. Of course, consoles will sell out because of their launches & because of holidays like Christmas.
It's when December's over & when the launch hype for these consoles dies down that the true test for these consoles will begin. And in this case, it's gonna be a tough road for Microsoft more so than Sony, because how many casuals are willing to shell out $500 w/tax on a Xbox One, plus a yearly subscription to Xbox Live Gold for $60, all just for online multiplayer & for accessing many media features?
Not too many. That will round up nearly to the price of a 60 GB PS3. People would rather spend that kind of money on new tablets or smartphones.
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I'm just calling it as I see it. There are plenty of posters here that are mostly saying the same thing, yet you're still focusing on just me. Let it go, dude. People like myself have opinions.Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre
Like this guy who continually tries his best to argue against those who might want to get an XBox One. Thread after thread it's the same nonsense.
If you don't like what I have to say, just ignore the posts.
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No one knows anything.
We don't know how many have been shipped.
Discussing this is pointless until the numbers come out.
We don't know how many have been shipped.
Discussing this is pointless until the numbers come out.
Your so called opinion is mostly based on ignorance though. If you don't like what the XBox One offers how about you ignore it? See how simple your own advice works?I'm just calling it as I see it. There are plenty of posters here that mostly say the same thing, yet you're still focusing on just me. Let it go, dude. People like myself have opinions.
If you don't like what I have to say, just ignore the posts.
And no, not everyone is suggesting people would rather buy a tablet or smartphone. Not everyone is also suggesting they only want the XBox One for media and online and not the games the PS4 doesn't offer. You are.
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The press is firmly positioning itself as the anti-GAF and I think it is intentional. I honestly believe they read the forums and go out of their way to have positions directly opposite of ours. We are the angry, bitchy, mindless forum bottom feeders to them and they want us (and our opinions) to be jokes to the mainstream.
All of these articles are just reading like excuses to avoid doing any actual analysis.
It would be interesting to know if one is doing better or worse than 599 ps3.
I'm actually happy both seem to be doing great, despite the horrible launch line-up both consoles offer. It's a testament to the fact that consoles haven't lost in popularity and the last two years of mediocre monthly sales were just a sign gamers got bored with this generation.
Originally Posted by cheddascrambla
So happy the PS4 seems to be doing much better. Shows that nobody needs voice controls, degraded Cable TV resolution, or a giant brick.
LoL, because the masses never get it wrong...
Also, I'm pretty sure I didn't need voice commands, but now that I have em I don't ever want to go back because it doesn't have to be necessary to be awesome.
Originally Posted by Dr. Kitty Muffins
The press is firmly positioning itself as the anti-GAF and I think it is intentional. I honestly believe they read the forums and go out of their way to have positions directly opposite of ours. We are the angry, bitchy, mindless forum bottom feeders to them and they want us (and our opinions) to be jokes to the mainstream.
Well if the angry bitchy shoe fits...and yes some of the entrenchment here is a fucking joke. I would (mostly) disagree with the mindless bit though.
Probably not but the fact that you still can't even preorder the PS4 at some small shops like amazon.de does matter.
They do matter, but not in a popularity contest way. At the moment its a production battle, and whoever can ship consoles the fastest to store shelves is going to gain an early advantage.
Did you just join this forum to repeatedly tell people on this forum how stupid and biased this forum is, in between posting about how great your new Xbox is?Originally Posted by CrazyJuan77
Well if the angry bitchy shoe fits...and yes some of the entrenchment here is a fucking joke. I would (mostly) disagree with the mindless bit though.
True, it'll take a lot more time to judge how well these consoles did, perhaps a year at least to see over all.
So, I expect Gamespot won't publish any articles about sales from now on, right?
Soo.. Gamespot read that same Ars article a few days before, eh?
It is plain as day that the intensity of demand for PS4 is significantly greater than the Bone.
The fact that MS can only spout meaningless game stat drivel is a testament to that. Sony is running a train on them.
The fact that MS can only spout meaningless game stat drivel is a testament to that. Sony is running a train on them.
I guess my banning and meltdown will be happening soon.
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